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I said to them “The big assumption you are making, and it is a huge one, is that human ingenuity and inventiveness have stopped”.
The biggest assumption they are NOT making is that such cleverness will always be available on time and at scale. And btw, the great majority of climate experts reamain all too optimistic ALWAYS including or concluding that "the good news is.........." Contra: as there are pros and cons to all positions, why overly stress the negatives of the self causes collapse of human civilization?
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Re: Some species deserve to go extinct

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You can assume I'll be on a cell phone for the foreseeable future and thus in "quite not giving a {!#%@}" mode about tracking conversations.
Yikes - must be mightily uncomfortable. I prefer a softer cushion. :roll:

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Re: Some species deserve to go extinct

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The job of a skeptic is to investigate the unexplained; not to explain the uninvestigated.

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Re: Some species deserve to go extinct

Post by ElectricMonk » Sun May 12, 2019 5:37 pm

https://academic.oup.com/zoolinnean/adv ... m=fulltext


bird went extinct, then pretty much re-evolved.

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Post by ElectricMonk » Sun May 12, 2019 5:39 pm

this is what you get when you take a single postulate and take it to its full conclusion without dealing with any flaws or mitigating factors.

IN other words, BS.

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Re: Some species deserve to go extinct

Post by Gord » Mon May 13, 2019 10:45 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 5:39 pm
this is what you get when you take a single postulate and take it to its full conclusion without dealing with any flaws or mitigating factors.

IN other words, BS.
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Re: Some species deserve to go extinct

Post by Dimebag » Wed May 15, 2019 6:14 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:
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Rats and mice are very specialized. Their specialisation is rapid breeding. They do not need any other adaptation.

Like all over specialized species, they are doomed. This will happen when some geek invents a cheap rat killing robot. Probably shaped like a snake. People hate rats so much that a trillion such robots will be sold (making the geek very rich).
We will have to keep a few alive for our experiments.

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Post by psychiatry is a scam » Fri May 17, 2019 2:30 pm

gorgeous wrote:
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the dinosaurs were asking for it...tiny arms that can't reach anything..get real...
could of used those to carry eggs , young , meat , build nests , hug trees ,
not tiny either

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Post by psychiatry is a scam » Fri May 17, 2019 2:32 pm

only one animal --- DESERVES --- to go extinct

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Post by OlegTheBatty » Fri May 17, 2019 3:27 pm

There have been small mammals filling the rodentia niche for at least 160 million years. They survived Chicxulub. They are not going away soon, robots or not.
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Re: Some species deserve to go extinct

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OlegTheBatty wrote:
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There have been small mammals filling the rodentia niche for at least 160 million years. They survived Chicxulub. They are not going away soon, robots or not.
All species go extinct.
Rodents are not a species.
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Re: Some species deserve to go extinct

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landrew wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 4:16 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 3:27 pm
There have been small mammals filling the rodentia niche for at least 160 million years. They survived Chicxulub. They are not going away soon, robots or not.
All species go extinct.
Rodents are not a species.
Rats!
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Re: Some species deserve to go extinct

Post by landrew » Sun May 19, 2019 2:54 pm

To see which organisms will take over after the next cataclysm, look for our most persistent pests. For over a hundred million years, small mammals were the scourge of the dinosaurs, stealing their eggs and feeding on scraps left over from kills, and insects. We (I say "we" as a representative of mammalia) were under intense pressure to avoid being eaten by the smaller, more agile dinosaurs who could run quickly, overturn logs, and quickly snatch us in their jaws with their long flexible necks. So we evolved a suite of adaptations to help us survive. We lived nocturnally, with keen eyesight in near-dark conditions, and homeothermy (warm-bloodedness) so we could remain active during cool nights, when reptiles were sluggish or inactive. Our brains developed to be able to stay one step ahead of the dinosaurs who were constantly trying to eat us.

So when the Chicxulub asteroid hit the earth about 66 million years ago, wiping out over 75% of all plant and animal life, our adaptations came in handy, allowing us to hide from the blast, the global firestorm, and the "nuclear winter" that followed. We found food and shelter in hiding places that no dinosaur could use to survive. So once things cleared up outside, the earth was ours to populate and fill every niche left vacant by the "terrible lizards."
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Re: Some species deserve to go extinct

Post by Lance Kennedy » Sun May 19, 2019 8:37 pm

My own view is that the survivors of the dinosaur killer were those who could access alternative food, or go without food for a long time. The big dinosaurs were almost certainly warm blooded, which means they needed lots of food. The source of food, green plants, would have died out in the long darkness following the impact, until light once more came and seeds germinated. Small nocturnal mammals and small birds survived due to being able to live on insects and worms in the leaf litter, and some large animals like crocodiles survived by being able to do without food for very long periods.

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Re: Some species deserve to go extinct

Post by ElectricMonk » Mon May 20, 2019 7:22 am

What species becomes dominant after a cataclysm is almost purely a question of chance.
It is also pretty much irrelevant, since the apex is just a part of the whole pyramid.

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Re: Some species deserve to go extinct

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ElectricMonk wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 7:22 am
What species becomes dominant after a cataclysm is almost purely a question of chance.
It is also pretty much irrelevant, since the apex is just a part of the whole pyramid.
There's always some blind chance involved, but over all, it's decided by which set of genes is best suited for survival, and are selected to thrive and dominate.
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Re: Some species deserve to go extinct

Post by ElectricMonk » Mon May 20, 2019 3:13 pm

landrew wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 2:53 pm
ElectricMonk wrote:
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What species becomes dominant after a cataclysm is almost purely a question of chance.
It is also pretty much irrelevant, since the apex is just a part of the whole pyramid.
There's always some blind chance involved, but over all, it's decided by which set of genes is best suited for survival, and are selected to thrive and dominate.
what does 'dominate' mean?
Does a pack of wolves 'dominate' a herd of deer?
no.
Because the deer can survive a fall in population much better than the wolves can.
In any food hierarchy, the safest, and therefore fittest, place for a specie is at the bottom, not the top.

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Re: Some species deserve to go extinct

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ElectricMonk wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 3:13 pm
landrew wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 2:53 pm
ElectricMonk wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 7:22 am
What species becomes dominant after a cataclysm is almost purely a question of chance.
It is also pretty much irrelevant, since the apex is just a part of the whole pyramid.
There's always some blind chance involved, but over all, it's decided by which set of genes is best suited for survival, and are selected to thrive and dominate.
what does 'dominate' mean?
Does a pack of wolves 'dominate' a herd of deer?
no.
Because the deer can survive a fall in population much better than the wolves can.
In any food hierarchy, the safest, and therefore fittest, place for a specie is at the bottom, not the top.
I meant to dominate a niche. At one time ducks may dominate the wetlands, and geese at another region and time.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon May 20, 2019 5:09 pm

Dictionary Skills:

Dominate: 1. Be larger in number, quantity, power, status or importance /// None of these descriptors applies to wolves? All a bent anthropomorphic label that don't fit a natural eco-system. Deer can survive without wolves. Wolves can't survive without deer. Don't quibble.

Apex species: a predator at the top of a food chain, with no natural predators.

Words: shape how we think. Always interesting.
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Re: Some species deserve to go extinct

Post by landrew » Mon May 20, 2019 7:09 pm

You have no clue what you're talking about.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon May 20, 2019 7:34 pm

landrew wrote:
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You have no clue what you're talking about.
Well, I tried to lay it out. Too wide a gap?

What does "dominate" mean?

"I Mean"====> we think with words. If the food web is "interconnected".........what does dominate mean? Does it mean a predator that eats anything it wants to and nothing eats it? Seems to me that defines "subservient" just as (mis) fittingly as does dominant. THAT is what "interdependent" means.

Word Play? Dictionary Skills?? Better more accurate understanding???? Identifying the contamination of anthropomorphic leanings??????

.....................................Lots of ways to go.

Why do you post I don't have a clue? Can you think of a more descriptive word? Should we say I dominate the discussion/////or that I am subservient to it.............or are we all interdependent? How well do observations of nature apply to hooman interactions?? What would Darwin say? Freud Think?? Does General Relativity Apply??? What about the grazers????

So many questions, so little time. (See the application of Einstein? If not, then why the structure of ecosystems??)

Ha, ha..........I just cracked myself up. Life is good.
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