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Post by Lance Kennedy » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:48 pm

Bobbo's "but" comment implies an inability to reply without arguing.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:54 pm

...............just as you have done?

Or........ignore your made up implications and go with the express criticism. BUT is used to set forth an exception. There was none.

You and landrew: object so strongly to anything new/different.

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Post by landrew » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:55 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:
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Bobbo's "but" comment implies an inability to reply without arguing.
Recreational posting.
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Re: boeing 737 max 8

Post by psychiatry is a scam » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:34 pm

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Some of this has to do with, well, people from very different backgrounds coming together online. A common trigger is ---

this thread could try to identify the people responsible .
instead of trying to ?

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psychiatry is a scam wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:34 pm
The New Science of How to Argue—Constructively
Disagreement is central to our lives online. ‘Erisologists’ want to study it more systematically.
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Jesse Singal
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Simon McGill / Getty
In the early days of the internet, way back in the 1990s, tech utopians envisioned a glittering digital future in which people from very different backgrounds could come together online and, if not reach consensus, at least learn something from one another. In the actual future we inhabit, things didn’t work out this way. The internet, especially social media, looks less like a dinner party and more like a riot. People talk past one another, and the discussion spirals down accordingly.


Some of this has to do with, well, people from very different backgrounds coming together online. A common trigger is ---

this thread could try to identify the people responsible .
instead of trying to ?
Sometimes, the constructiveness of the dialog is inversely proportional to the laziness of the moderation.
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Re: boeing 737 max 8

Post by psychiatry is a scam » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:10 am

YouTube video titled - the real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice ---

interesting info about the new larger engine installed

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Re: boeing 737 max 8

Post by ElectricMonk » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:12 pm

Trump might have helped caused the latest 737 max 8 crash, but in his defense, he has a solution to the engineering problem:

https://simpleflying.com/donald-trump-s ... naming-it/

quote:
What do I know about branding, maybe nothing (but I did become President!), but if I were Boeing, I would FIX the Boeing 737 MAX, add some additional great features, & REBRAND the plane with a new name.
name changed, problem solved.

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Post by landrew » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:18 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:12 pm
Trump might have helped caused the latest 737 max 8 crash, but in his defense, he has a solution to the engineering problem:

https://simpleflying.com/donald-trump-s ... naming-it/

quote:
What do I know about branding, maybe nothing (but I did become President!), but if I were Boeing, I would FIX the Boeing 737 MAX, add some additional great features, & REBRAND the plane with a new name.
name changed, problem solved.
He's not far-wrong. That's the reason so many buildings had the name "Trump" removed from them once it became wider public knowledge that he was a buffoon:
https://www.google.com/search?q=remover ... e&ie=UTF-8
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...besides others, like the Brits, who simply couldn't live with a Fart Tower in their midst...
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Re: boeing 737 max 8

Post by psychiatry is a scam » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:08 pm

there is no way to FIX the 737 - eventually they will have to abandon the 737 frame

still the major issue - FLYING IS SAFE -
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Re: boeing 737 max 8

Post by landrew » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:17 pm

In simple terms, since deregulation, the airline industry has been ruled by whomever can move the most people for the least cost. Boeing had emerged the winner, with the 747 which succeeded with economy of scale, and the 737 which was the most efficient and versatile plane for serving many markets. Boeing dominated the airplane market until Airbus entered the market, and by the mid-2000s, Airbus was outselling Boeing in the airliner market.

It could be said that the Airbus A380 "out-747ed" the Boeing 747 in terms of economy of scale, and more recently the Airbus A320neo threatened to out-muscle the Boeing 737 with it's new engine which was 15% more efficient. This was a bit of a shock to Boeing, which resulted in the 737 Max series which was re-engined similar to the A320 neo. However, the new engine didn't fit under the wing of the 737, therefore it was shifted forward in the design. This resulted in unwanted upward pitching of the plane when thrust was applied. This delayed certification until a solution was found. Boeing convinced the FAA that a software fix could accomplish the task, however, it appears that some pilots had been inadequately trained to deal with a situation of sensor failure which resulted in loss of control of the aircraft.

The plane will probably be ungrounded this year, once governments are satisfied that pilots have been properly trained. But passenger confidence has probably been irreversibly shaken in the 737 Max. This may eventually cause Boeing to completely redesign the 737 airframe, or abandon it altogether.
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Post by Austin Harper » Wed May 15, 2019 8:11 pm

Sorry I'm late responding to this but I haven't had time to get on the forum in quite some time.

There's nothing wrong with the 737 frame, it's the software trying to adjust for the shifted weight due to the new engines. The matter of "rebranding" a 737 into a new plane is also not a simple matter. Part of the reason the 737 MAX is a 737 and not a new name is because by keeping the same basic frame with relatively minor changes (strengthening parts for the larger engines, updating the landing gear accordingly, increasing aerodynamic efficiency in the wings, etc.) it allowed Boeing to re-use lots of part and the tools that make them from the previous generation of 737s, and it meant they didn't need to get a new type certificate for the new design because it wasn't "new".
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed May 15, 2019 8:46 pm

Austin: your'e time away could have been spent finding something new to add? (snark off)

Certification doesn't go to parts and manufacturing but the closely related how does it fly/or do pilots need time in the seat to learn to fly this airplane differently from other airplanes.

IIRC: "the Main" failure here is to train/inform the pilots about the new software systems and how they worked and didn't work and the cheesy low ball marketing/sales effort of Boing to require extra money after the sale to get additional software to actually make the plane work "as certified" not to put to fine a point on it.

In a rational world: people at Boing would be going to jail.
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Re: boeing 737 max 8

Post by psychiatry is a scam » Thu May 16, 2019 12:33 am

hindsight - they could of been semi honest and just claimed the new engines did not need FULL throttle to take off . instead of mcas …/
then the pilots would have been complaining about its tendency to climb with normal trim .
which in hindsight would not have been as bad as what happened .

still wish the nerds who wrote the software would fess up and do interviews .
they blame corporate , but bottom line they did not refuse , they did not get fired , they took the paycheck and went home.

why are they not being forced to testify in a senate hearing ???

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu May 16, 2019 12:46 am

PIAS: totally wrong position. It is said: "Flying is not inherently dangerous, its just unforgiving of mistakes."

Making or not making mistakes is BASED ON knowning what you are flying. It IS/WAS NOT the overpowering of the aircraft, nor even in a sense the half installed software. THE NEGLIGENCE,and I would say CRIMINAL negligence, was NOT INFORMING pilots of the software changes. Unbelievably stoopid. Hence: the criminal liability should apply.
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Re: boeing 737 max 8

Post by psychiatry is a scam » Thu May 16, 2019 12:51 am

Austin Harper wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 8:11 pm
Sorry I'm late responding to this but I haven't had time to get on the forum in quite some time.

There's nothing wrong with the 737 frame, it's the software trying to adjust for the shifted weight due to the new engines. The matter of "rebranding" a 737 into a new plane is also not a simple matter. Part of the reason the 737 MAX is a 737 and not a new name is because by keeping the same basic frame with relatively minor changes (strengthening parts for the larger engines, updating the landing gear accordingly, increasing aerodynamic efficiency in the wings, etc.) it allowed Boeing to re-use lots of part and the tools that make them from the previous generation of 737s, and it meant they didn't need to get a new type certificate for the new design because it wasn't "new".
there are over 2 months worth of videos you should watch .

off topic - if Detroit population is down to 800k ? from 2 million . how is that possible when about 70% of the housing is gone ???

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu May 16, 2019 1:38 am

different denominators.
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It seems that Boeing has already decided to scrap the 50 year old 737 airframe:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Ye ... ne_Project
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Re: boeing 737 max 8

Post by psychiatry is a scam » Thu May 16, 2019 11:53 pm

April 5, 2019


Boeing said on Friday that it was slowing production of its 737 Max jet and establishing a new internal safety committee after two of the planes were involved in fatal crashes in five months.
The company will reduce the rate at which it produces the 737 family of airplanes to 42 a month from 52,

opportunity for a new really low cost airline .

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psychiatry is a scam wrote:
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opportunity for a new really low cost airline .
How so?
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Re: boeing 737 max 8

Post by psychiatry is a scam » Fri May 17, 2019 12:29 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 12:17 am
psychiatry is a scam wrote:
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opportunity for a new really low cost airline .
How so?
they are all almost new , but dry rotting.
could pick them up for a fraction of cost .
new airline name - 737max - sell tickets lower than anybody .
im guessing a lot of people are gonna grab the lower cost ---
and ignore the fact they claimed they would never fly on one

another option would be airlines could try just selling tickets on those planes cheaper .
see if anyone is willing to fly on them
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri May 17, 2019 12:34 am

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they are all almost new , but dry rotting. /// No.
could pick them up for a fraction of cost . /// No.
new airline name - 737max - sell tickets lower than anybody . /// Given first two Nos: No.
im guessing a lot of people are gonna grab the lower cost --- /// Yes...if available.
and ignore the fact they claimed they would never fly on one /// Yep. Cheap has its appeal.
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Re: boeing 737 max 8

Post by Austin Harper » Fri May 17, 2019 12:13 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 8:46 pm
Austin: your'e time away could have been spent finding something new to add? (snark off)

Certification doesn't go to parts and manufacturing but the closely related how does it fly/or do pilots need time in the seat to learn to fly this airplane differently from other airplanes.
I don't even understand what you're trying to say here.
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It seems that Boeing has already decided to scrap the 50 year old 737 airframe:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Ye ... ne_Project
This isn't really new; the first completed Yellowstone project is the 787, which is intended to replace 767 and 777 aircraft. It has been in operation since 2009.
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Fri May 17, 2019 12:17 am
psychiatry is a scam wrote:
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opportunity for a new really low cost airline .
How so?
they are all almost new , but dry rotting.
could pick them up for a fraction of cost .
new airline name - 737max - sell tickets lower than anybody .
im guessing a lot of people are gonna grab the lower cost ---
and ignore the fact they claimed they would never fly on one

another option would be airlines could try just selling tickets on those planes cheaper .
see if anyone is willing to fly on them
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they are all almost new , but dry rotting. /// No.
could pick them up for a fraction of cost . /// No.
new airline name - 737max - sell tickets lower than anybody . /// Given first two Nos: No.
im guessing a lot of people are gonna grab the lower cost --- /// Yes...if available.
and ignore the fact they claimed they would never fly on one /// Yep. Cheap has its appeal.
Bobbo is right, I think you're confused here on what reducing production means. It has nothing to do with what airlines are flying, which are obviously planes that have already been produced. There is some backlog of MAX planes that have been produced but not delivered due to the temporary grounding, but in the meantime more planes are still being built and will be delivered. There are thousands of orders for the MAX still, which will takes years to work through.
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Post by Austin Harper » Fri May 17, 2019 12:17 pm

BBC News wrote:
Boeing has completed development of a software update for its 737 Max plane which was grounded following two fatal crashes within five months.
The US firm announced that it had flown the 737 Max with the updated software on 207 flights. It added it would provide data to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) on how pilots interact with controls and displays in different scenarios. The FAA expects Boeing to submit the upgrade for certification next week. An Ethiopian Airlines flight crashed in March, killing all 157 people on board. It followed the Lion Air disaster in Indonesia in October, in which 189 people died. Both crashes were linked to the Boeing 737 Max's Manoeuvring Characteristics Augmentation System - a new feature on the aircraft which was designed to improve the handling of the plane and to stop it pitching up at too high an angle. Boeing said that once information on how pilots work with the upgraded system is submitted to the FAA, it will work with the regulator to schedule a certification test flight and submit final certification documentation.
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Austin Harper wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 12:17 pm
BBC News wrote:
Boeing has completed development of a software update for its 737 Max plane which was grounded following two fatal crashes within five months.
The US firm announced that it had flown the 737 Max with the updated software on 207 flights. It added it would provide data to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) on how pilots interact with controls and displays in different scenarios. The FAA expects Boeing to submit the upgrade for certification next week. An Ethiopian Airlines flight crashed in March, killing all 157 people on board. It followed the Lion Air disaster in Indonesia in October, in which 189 people died. Both crashes were linked to the Boeing 737 Max's Manoeuvring Characteristics Augmentation System - a new feature on the aircraft which was designed to improve the handling of the plane and to stop it pitching up at too high an angle. Boeing said that once information on how pilots work with the upgraded system is submitted to the FAA, it will work with the regulator to schedule a certification test flight and submit final certification documentation.
normal intelligent youmons being open and honest - public will never know who wrote the old software / logic .
ESPecially the 10 second computer takeover , 5 seconds for pilot - 10/5 10/5 10/5 crash.
there will never be a release of a paper copy showing the mistakes made .
AND who wrote that plc logic...
same with the new software logic .
AND who wrote it ?
normal youmons tendency / actually expertise at self deceit.

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Post by psychiatry is a scam » Sat May 18, 2019 1:06 am

Boeing's troubles could be traced to McDonnell Douglas purchase
By Mark Lacter | January 29, 2013 9:51 AM

With its 78 Dream still grounded after battery fires on two planes, and no sign of when the wide-body aircraft will be back in the air, Boing is under fire on many fronts. Too much outsourcing, too little testing, too great a technology risk - it's a full-fledged corporate nightmare. But to fully understand what happened, it might be helpful to revisit the 1997 acquisition with Mcl D(based in St. Louis but with a major operation in Long Beach). Seems as if the bean counters took control of the engineers - never a good thing. From New Yorker columnist James Surowiecki:
Technically, Boing bought Mcl D. But, as Richard Aboulafia, a noted industry analyst with the Teal Group, told me, "McDol Do in effect acquired Boing with Boing's money." McDon executives became key players in the new company, and the McDl D culture, averse to risk and obsessed with cost-cutting, weakened Boing's historical commitment to making big investments in new products. Aboulafia says, "After the merger, there was a real battle over the future of the company, between the engineers and the finance and sales guys." The nerds may have been running the show in Silicon Valley, but at Boeing they were increasingly marginalized by the bean counters.

Under these conditions, getting the company to commit to a major project like the Dreamliner took some doing. "Some of the board of directors would rather have spent money on a walk-in humidor for shareholders than on a new plane," Aboulafia says. So the Dreamer's advocates came up with a development strategy that was supposed to be cheaper and quicker than the traditional approach: outsourcing. And Boing didn't outsource just the manufacturing of parts; it turned over the design, the engineering, and the manufacture of entire sections of the plane to some fifty "strategic partners." Boing itself ended up building less than forty per cent of the plane. This strategy was trump as a reinvention of manufacturing. But while the finance guys loved it--since it meant that Boing had to put up less money--it was a huge headache for the engineers.


Mark Lacter: https://www.latimes.com/local/obituarie ... story.html

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MARK LACTER
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Post by psychiatry is a scam » Sat May 18, 2019 4:04 am

F-16 fighter jet that crashed into warehouse had live ammunition

By Cheri Mossburg and Amir Vera, CNN 3 hrs ago

how often do fighter jets with computer controls crash ?
and there is almost never any investigation - and the REAL causes are probably never found

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psychiatry is a scam wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 4:04 am
F-16 fighter jet that crashed into warehouse had live ammunition

By Cheri Mossburg and Amir Vera, CNN 3 hrs ago

how often do fighter jets with computer controls crash ?
More times than never?
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and there is almost never any investigation - and the REAL causes are probably never found
Even if that were true...
The point being?
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat May 18, 2019 4:56 am

EVERY crash is investigated: to conclusion. Military crash/causes/conclusions usually withheld from being made public. I mean... we shouldn't just hand Russia and China this info....make them hack our systems to get it.
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Skipped over mark lacter
What he wrote matters

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Post by psychiatry is a scam » Sat May 18, 2019 1:31 pm

Boeing's troubles could be traced to McDonnell Douglas purchase
By Mark Lacter | January 29, 2013 9:51 AM

with its 787 Dreamliner still grounded after battery fires on two planes, and no sign of when the wide-body aircraft will be back in the air, Boeing is under fire on many fronts. Too much outsourcing, too little testing, too great a technology risk - it's a full-fledged corporate nightmare. But to fully understand what happened, it might be helpful to revisit the 1997 acquisition with McDonnell Douglas (based in St. Louis but with a major operation in Long Beach). Seems as if the bean counters took control of the engineers - never a good thing. From New Yorker columnist James Surowiecki:

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Post by landrew » Sat May 18, 2019 4:23 pm

I don't think Boeing is suffering from particularly bad or incompetent management, but they are currently against the wall in the latest battle of their war against Airbus. The war is still far from lost, but it will be up to Boeing's top management whether to rid themselves of the "corruption is why we win" contingent within their ranks, or to double-down on political influence in hopes of making this current fiasco fade away, so that business can continue as usual.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat May 18, 2019 11:41 pm

landrew wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 4:23 pm
I don't think ....
Nothing new to report eh?
landrew wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 4:23 pm
I don't think Boeing is suffering from particularly bad or incompetent management, ....
So.....you accept the intentional malfeasance and ((what should be criminal conduct)) on Boings part because?===========1. Its inherently so?..........2. Its no worse than other criminal organizations as you say............... or......... 3. Its too hard to think past a completely irrelevant comment?
landrew wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 4:23 pm
The war is still far from lost, but it will be up to Boeing's top management whether to rid themselves of the "corruption is why we win" contingent within their ranks,
Ha, ha. What a dummy or a tool? so, you think the corruption on display is the problem in the ranks huh? Well, this is the very dumbo stink that makes such activities not a criminal offense. Too many stupid people "emoting" this way.

Tell us...............just what is the appeal?
landrew wrote:
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I don't think Boeing is suffering from particularly bad or incompetent management, but they are currently against the wall in the latest battle of their war against Airbus.
How many lawyers representing the murdered passengers will open their jury argument with such an idea????? If YOUR loved one died in one of the two crashes.......what would you think/emote? Now====>can you resolve the two attitudes and strike a position that would be the most legitimate? Can you???
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Re: boeing 737 max 8

Post by landrew » Sun May 19, 2019 2:24 pm

Well, that was a sad display of childish hysteria.

Boeing has emerged at the top of the aviation world, with some of the best talent available, under their roof. It speaks to that talent that flying has never been safer than at any time in history, thanks to the hard work of such talent. But it's obvious that there are some systemic problems that need to be addressed not only within Boeing, but within the FAA as well. I'm not optimistic that the current administration has any inclination towards making needed changes and restoring proper accountability into the system.

It's easy to be a magpie, making inflammatory statements from a position of ignorance, but after doing considerable research as I have, it's obvious that the solutions won't come about from name-calling and pointing fingers. It will come from a concerted effort by all concerned to improve the public's safety and welfare.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon May 20, 2019 12:16 am

Ha, ha...........buncha bloviating crap.... as usual.

You make systemic changes........................BY POINTING FINGERS. and then fixing what is being pointed at. and the POINT I made contra to your own that you don't defend at all is: it all flows from TOP management.

How many hours have you spent researching why a spin is a stable aircraft maneuver?
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Re: boeing 737 max 8

Post by landrew » Mon May 20, 2019 12:33 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 12:16 am
Ha, ha...........buncha bloviating crap.... as usual.

You make systemic changes........................BY POINTING FINGERS. and then fixing what is being pointed at. and the POINT I made contra to your own that you don't defend at all is: it all flows from TOP management.

How many hours have you spent researching why a spin is a stable aircraft maneuver?
Your petulant behavior is driving people away.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon May 20, 2019 1:26 am

More ab hominem. Why don't you ignore the personality attacks and go with the substance?
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Re: boeing 737 max 8

Post by landrew » Mon May 20, 2019 3:05 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 1:26 am
More ab hominem. Why don't you ignore the personality attacks and go with the substance?
It's all substance to say that your behavior is deteriorating the ability of everyone to enjoy this forum.

Your focus is rarely to raise an interesting point or offer a thoughtful perspective. You incessantly try to "win points" by attacking whomever you can, at any opportunity.

I'd recommend that you go elsewhere to find satisfaction for your sport. Perhaps some place with plenty of teenagers.
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Re: boeing 737 max 8

Post by psychiatry is a scam » Mon May 20, 2019 4:20 pm

landrew wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 4:23 pm
I don't think Boeing is suffering from particularly bad or incompetent management, but they are currently against the wall in the latest battle of their war against Airbus. The war is still far from lost, but it will be up to Boeing's top management whether to rid themselves of the "corruption is why we win" contingent within their ranks, or to double-down on political influence in hopes of making this current fiasco fade away, so that business can continue as usual.

Boeing's troubles could be traced to McDonnell Douglas purchase
By Mark Lacter | January 29, 2013 9:51 AM

Technically, Boeing bought McDonnell Douglas. But, as Richard Aboulafia, a noted industry analyst with the Teal Group, told me, "McDonnell Douglas in effect acquired Boeing with Boeing's money." McDonnell Douglas executives became key players in the new company, and the McDonnell Douglas culture, averse to risk and obsessed with cost-cutting, weakened Boeing's historical commitment to making big investments in new products. Aboulafia says, "After the merger, there was a real battle over the future of the company, between the engineers and the finance and sales guys." The nerds may have been running the show in Silicon Valley, but at Boeing they were increasingly marginalized by the bean counters.


what has changed from 2013 ?