Finally the human race is getting back to normal

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Finally the human race is getting back to normal

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:49 pm

Aldous Huxley wrote:A government with a comprehensive plan for the betterment of society is a government that uses torture.

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Re: Finally the human race is getting back to normal

Postby Poodle » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:26 pm

Assuming that they've been using Stanford-Binet, then it's hardly surprising. Average IQ shot up after kids were shown how to do SB tests, moronically to an average score well above what the average would have been had the examiners known what 'average' actually meant. When it was realised that high IQ scores indicated only an ability to perform well in IQ tests, they became less popular. Fewer kids were taught the facility they'd had before and ... surprise!!!! ... average scores (measured my the same donkey-headed technique) fell and are still falling. The rise and subsequent fall in average performance tells us sweet FA. In fact, IQ tests tell us sweet FA.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:53 pm

Poodle wrote:When it was realised that high IQ scores indicated only an ability to perform well in IQ tests, they became less popular.
That overstates the issue/concern. IQ has and will always correlate to many different and varied things. College graduation rate, income...etc. I assume you actually understand the scores are "skewed" when contaminated by IQ prep courses. This emphasizes what anyone can see if you take an IQ test: it tries to get at "native learning ability" but it gets there through testing learnable knowledge. Two different things. Prep Courses improve the knowledge base thereby contaminating the evaluation of raw ability. No way to avoid it. Non-verbal IQ testing can be skewed the same way: with practice.

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Re: Finally the human race is getting back to normal

Postby Poodle » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:42 pm

Here's a good read for you, bobbo ...
https://www.oxfordlearning.com/whats-th ... -for-kids/

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:50 pm

I spent more time than was necessary at University studying clinical testing. The construction, validation, and use thereof. Nothing is new.

I'm still blown away by what IQ testing tells us about ourselves. My sister has an IQ of 100. "Average" with 50 % of the population not as bright (sic when you add in the variation, but my drift is obvious). She is a very nice person, teaches home economics to kiddies, but boy is she dumb. My own IQ is X points higher. Wifey has an IQ the same X points higher than mine. Wifey has never called me dumb, but then, I've never said that to my sister either........Of note: wifey often does not appear all too clever to me. Her intellectual engine appears to be mostly dedicated to her near perfect eidetic memory. Common sense and problem solving kinda drops out of the equation.....but she doesn't need a phone book. Always, cracks me up. And wifey is a female. Just all too emotional with the pros and cons that come from that. ///// Yes, I know. I'm totally aware of what I think. Makes me extra careful of what I say. IQ is supposed to be native. Emotional IQ==>I'm still learning.

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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:06 pm

" "Average" with 50 % of the population not as bright"

BS. There's not one person only per point on the curve. The greatest grouping of people is at one point on the curve, and that's the IQ of the average person, not the average IQ. You spent a lot of time studying clinical testing and still believe that old wheezer?
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:27 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:BS. There's not one person only per point on the curve.
uhhhh....yeah, thats correct. With only one person, you'd have a flat line. A point on a curve includes everyone below the curve. Evidently, I don't understand what point you are making.

Gawdzilla Sama wrote: The greatest grouping of people is at one point on the curve, and that's the IQ of the average person,
Yes, and IQ tests are designed so that point is 100% as well as the median and the mode.

Gawdzilla Sama wrote: and that's the IQ of the average person, not the average IQ. You spent a lot of time studying clinical testing and still believe that old wheezer?
I understand the difference between average IQ of a data set and individual IQ. You measure the IQ of people and you average their group scores. Send one group to the army....the other to Officer School. I wouldn't make more of your linguistic point for the nullity it contains.

Edit: make 100% = 100 IQ. Gee.....still not embarrassed. Just a typo.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:36 pm

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Stop blushing.

Is that a typo? I'm not embarrassed about anything.
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Re: Finally the human race is getting back to normal

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:58 pm

Poodle wrote: ... In fact, IQ tests tell us sweet FA.


So we're not collectively going back to stoopidz, after all?

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Postby Aztexan » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:41 pm

We're going to have to assimilate to American stupidity in the near future so as not to get called out for being educated elitists and locked up. Lack of intelligence will be a badge of honor. Critical thinking will be punishable by death.
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Postby Gord » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:49 pm

If my IQ falls any further I don't know what I'll do. Like, literally.
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Postby OlegTheBatty » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:21 pm

Intelligence is overrated anyhow. Look at mosses. They grow pretty much everywhere except deserts. Just goes to show how little brains you actually need.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:10 am

Just a related but vague factoid, I read once that having a large brain and being self aware as hoomans are, has not had enough time to show whether or not it is an evolutionary advantage. Self Awareness could well be as odious to evolutionary advancement as leaving a trail of toxic chemicals thats kills everything whereever we go. Once we go everywhere: we die off.

I think it was a conclusion to some analysis of the Life in the Universe Equation....were to send a signal out into space, your culture has to survive the threats to its survival caused by itself: Nuke War, Germ Warfare etc. so...if we could, if we do, its an open question whether we should breed ourselves stupid or smart. Ha, ha.....we all assume breeding smarter would be the solution?........but dumb people don't.
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Postby TJrandom » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:56 am

Moses grew what where?

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Postby Gord » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:07 am

OlegTheBatty wrote:Intelligence is overrated anyhow. Look at mosses. They grow pretty much everywhere except deserts. Just goes to show how little brains you actually need.

Yeah, he may have had a tiny brain but look at all the animals he managed to get into his arch.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:13 pm

Gord wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:Intelligence is overrated anyhow. Look at mosses. They grow pretty much everywhere except deserts. Just goes to show how little brains you actually need.

Yeah, he may have had a tiny brain but look at all the animals he managed to get into his arch.
"menarch"
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Postby Gord » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:41 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Gord wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:Intelligence is overrated anyhow. Look at mosses. They grow pretty much everywhere except deserts. Just goes to show how little brains you actually need.

Yeah, he may have had a tiny brain but look at all the animals he managed to get into his arch.

"menarch"

"menarche?"
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Postby OlegTheBatty » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:12 pm

Menarche butterflies are endangered.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:35 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:Menarche butterflies are endangered.

Only if you're in Mexico.
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