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Killing Hope by William Blum

Post by Tom Palven » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:24 pm

Am reading Killing Hope: US Military and Cia Intervention Since WW II which Noam Chomsky said is "far and away the best book on this topic."
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/17836 ... pldnSite=1

This book is very readable. It is 471 pages long, but almost reads like a novel.

It is not for anyone who wants to retain a belief that the US is the world's great benefactor.
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Re: Killing Hope by William Blum

Post by nmblum88 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:47 pm

Tom Palven wrote:Am reading Killing Hope: US Military and Cia Intervention Since WW II which Noam Chomsky said is "far and away the best book on this topic."
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/17836 ... pldnSite=1

This book is very readable. It is 471 pages long, but almost reads like a novel.

It is not for anyone who wants to retain a belief that the US is the world's great benefactor.



But Tom, anyone who wants to retain a belief that the US is the world's great benefactor is unlikely to take Noam Chomsky's word for anything at all.
And anyone who is looking for corroboration of long held convictions will find 471 pages, much to short.

I too think that " Killing Hope.." is both readable and convincing, but I want to put in a word for another of his books, one from 2004 that has been on my mind often in the past two weeks, every time one of the horrendous images from Aleppo appears on my TV screen or in print:

"Freeing the World to Death: Essays on the American Empire"

Regretfully, morosely, sadly, ...resignedly ... almost every word of it is true.

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Re: Killing Hope by William Blum

Post by TJrandom » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:37 pm

Thanks guys.... I have added them both to my book list.

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Post by Tom Palven » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:48 am

You just know that CIA will pull every money wrench, carrot, and stick it has out of its ass to prevent a thaw in North and South Korea relations.
http://www.atimes.com/article/south-kor ... cebreaker/

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:37 pm

TP: thanks for the call out. I wasn't going to say anything until.

I don't know what you think I will say on the subject...........but what comes to mind is: "Who knows?" If you/I have no position/goal we want to advocate, what does disinterested analysis tell us? And what it always tells me is: "Who knows." No history tells you what will happen tomorrow. Only what could happen. Add what could happen with all the four types of unknowns we have, and what you add up to is: "Who knows."

You know?

I almost posted in the Halocuast Deniers thread about Trump's craziness resulting in a thaw between NK and SK but decided it was too unknowable so I deleted my one sentence composed. History is going to happen, no matter who is playing.

I'll take a stab at the direct question: From Confessions of an Economic Hit Man to the Neo Con desire for more war everywhere, I don't know what "the interests" of the CIA are. I would assume No Nukes For You re NK.....and that total peace arrived at bilaterally between NK and SK would leave NK with Nukes?

I agree with the long held USA position of No Nukes for You........and am dismayed at the depth of "sentimentality" in the analysis of the threat to world peace/humanity represented by NK Nukes. We either take control of our destiny and prevent NK from having reliable intercontinental ballistic force (as they are already a Nuke Power) or.....we let the rest of the world fail to address their destiny as well. Its always a guess, but seems to me preventing NK from having ICBM's "even if we go to WAR now" presents less threat than allowing NK to develop that tech as they will.......over time allowing them to threat the destruction of much more than they are threatening now.

aka: taking world/military leaders at their word.......no matter how stupid and self destructive it is. I usually say just look, but now, its just listen...........or better: read. When a crazy hits you in the mouth after yelling that is what he is going to do...........I don't blame the crazy.

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Post by Tom Palven » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:29 am

Too Many Wars, Too Many Enemies- Opinion on current events from Pat Buchanan:
https://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2 ... y-enemies/
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Showdown in Syria?

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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:08 pm

I'll follow this carefully, though I think the Russians are exaggerating the danger. I don't think there are good options for the Syrians in any case, and there's little to choose between Assad and the unknown quantities represented by the rebels. They might prove to be worse than Assad, who at least is a SECULAR dictator who allows Coptic Christians to conduct the education of their children in Aramaic, and indeed subsidizes them to do so.

RT has its good sides. Here's a new show allowing spokespeople for both the Russian and American points of view to be heard. What I don't know is who this guy Dmitrii Saims (Symmes?) is, who gives the allegedly American point of view.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:46 am

Upton_O_Goode wrote:I'll follow this carefully, though I think the Russians are exaggerating the danger.
It reminds a bit of the Russians outside of Warsaw in 1944. The Russian and Syrians have bused in diverse anti-Syrian government groups into Idlib, on top of already split rebels and insurgents. The factions have already been fighting among themselves while the Syrian government army has been able to move all its ground forces to the edge of the kill-zone and have them refit & supply.

I'm guessing it will be fast and furious. I like General Giap from the North Vietnamese army. When he had to take Cambodia he drove his armour around the country and drove inwards from four directions, so as not to let any Khmer Rouge regroup elsewhere. Assad had a similar problem and cannot let any of these factions regroup.

I will watch this and keep an eye on what Kurdish controlled areas in Syria do. If they don't do anything it would suggest they have reached some form of accord with Damascus. That would suggest the Syrian civil war will soon be over.
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:14 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:I will watch this and keep an eye on what Kurdish controlled areas in Syria do. If they don't do anything it would suggest they have reached some form of accord with Damascus. That would suggest the Syrian civil war will soon be over.
I fervently hope so! The bungling interventions in the ME, which originally started as a rational program to keep oil flowing, turned into a total {!#%@} after the 1990 Gulf War. Things were festering under Clinton, but we didn't realize that was the best we could do. Bush and Obama lanced the boil, and some very nasty stuff has come pouring out.
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Post by Tom Palven » Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:26 am

Matthew Ellard wrote: I'm guessing it will be fast and furious. I like General Giap from the North Vietnamese army. When he had to take Cambodia he drove his armour around the country and drove inwards from four directions, so as not to let any Khmer Rouge regroup elsewhere. Assad had a similar problem and cannot let any of these factions regroup.

Well, we'll see how that all works out, and whether the US plants any false flags and then goes bombs away.

Meanwhile, some Syrians definitely don't like US actions there.

Here's an opinion from Syrian news that we probably won't see expressed by the AP or other US MSM:
https://www.syrianews.cc/world-safer-john-mccain-dead/
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:13 am

Tom Palven wrote: Well, we'll see how that all works out, and whether the US plants any false flags and then goes bombs away.
You are spreading your fake information propaganda again.

Where are there any Americans in the Idlib anti-Syrian government enclave?

The Russians claimed it was the anti-Syrian government White Helmets who faked a chlorine attack. You already knew that and yet you continue to lie about the "USA faking chlorine attacks".
:lol: :lol:

Why do you lie so much Tom Palven? :lol: :lol:
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Post by Tom Palven » Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:48 am

[quote="Matthew Ellard"]You are spreading your fake information propaganda again.
/quote]

Let's see if that all works out according to your fast and furious General Giap scenario.

Anyway, some Syrians definitely don't like US activities in their region as seen in this Syrian news article that expresses an opinion that we probably won't see in the AP or other US MSM:
https://www.syrianews.cc/world-safer-john-mccain-dead/
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:12 am

Tom Palven wrote:Anyway, some Syrians definitely don't like US activities in their region......
As you are mentally retarded, you forgot that three NATO countries wanted a regime change in Syria. Syria invited the Russians to assist the Syrian army to remove NATO supported insurgents in addition to removing ISIL, ISIS and other terrorist groups. The Russians have succeeded in doing this by setting up a "kill zone" in Idlib for all anti- Syrian government troops.

You don't actually know where Syria is, do you?
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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:Anyway, some Syrians definitely don't like US activities in their region......
https://www.syrianews.cc/world-safer-john-mccain-dead/
As you are mentally retarded...
I ask you once again, Matt, Is there a single point on which you disagree with John "Bombs Away" Bolton?
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:25 am

Of course..……..on ANY TOPIC...…..some people will not like "it." Even when the great majority think otherwise....including three Nato Countries. A nothing comment to make, but even worse to disagree.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:29 am

Tom Palven wrote: I ask you once again, Matt, Is there a single point on which you disagree with John "Bombs Away" Bolton?
1) John Bolton is an American. I am an Australian (Australia is not part of the USA, Tom)
2) John Bolton is a right winger like yourself. I am a socialist and a member of the Labor Party
3) John Bolton hates the UN, while Australians like myself support the UN. (That's the United Nations Tom)
4) You are a total idiot.
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Post by Tom Palven » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:59 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom Palven wrote: I ask you once again, Matt, Is there a single point on which you disagree with John "Bombs Away" Bolton?
1) John Bolton is an American. I am an Australian (Australia is not part of the USA, Tom)
2) John Bolton is a right winger like yourself. I am a socialist and a member of the Labor Party
3) John Bolton hates the UN, while Australians like myself support the UN. (That's the United Nations Tom)
4) You are a total idiot.
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You are an Australian with much greater knowledge of the US secret police community and its deep state foreign policy than any American I know, Matt, but you ducked my question, again, as to which part of US foreign policy you and ASIS disagree with, if any.

Do you support economic sanctions on Iran, Russia, Turkey, Canada, and North Korea, for example?
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:24 am

Tom Palven wrote:You are an Australian with much greater knowledge of the US secret police community
There is no secret police community in the USA. Is the US Coast Guard "secret police", because they respond to the Director of National Intelligence?

You must learn to use correct terminology if you want to talk to adults .
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Tom Palven wrote:and its deep state foreign policy...
There is no such thing as the "Deep State" conspiracy. The "Deep State conspiracy" is an invention of Sean Hannity on FOX and Donald Trump, that you keep spamming on our forum as you are a Donald Trump fan. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Describe your "Deep State" conspiracy and give your best evidence that it actually exists.
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Post by Tom Palven » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:22 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote: Describe your "Deep State" conspiracy and give your best evidence that it actually exists.
Wikipedia describes Deep State here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_within_a_state

I've already provided reams of evidence that it exists. I'll provide more if you'll answer my previous question.

You claim to support free trade, but do you and ASIS support economic sanctions against Russia, Turkey, Canada, Iran, and North Korea, as Trump and Bolton do?

Yes or no?
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:09 am

Matthew Ellard wrote: Describe your "Deep State" conspiracy and give your best evidence that it actually exists.
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Tom Palven wrote:Wikipedia describes Deep State here:
Tom Palven wrote: I've stated over and over that I accept the Wikipedia definition of Deep State:
Tom Palven wrote: James Clapper is a member of the Deep State
Sometimes it is hard to put words to your ongoing stupidity. Wikipedia states it is a "conspiracy theory". It doesn't state it is real. :lol: :lol:

It secondly state that the conspiracy is about government workers and James Clapper, doesn't work for the government. You obviously don't believe the Wikipeadia defined conspiracy theory.
:lol: :lol:
Tom Palven wrote: I don't have proof that the US intelligence community steering committee constitutes a deep state.
That's right. You have no evidence that a non-existent conspiracy theory is real. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Go spread your pro-Trump Fox memes on another forum.
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Post by Tom Palven » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:26 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:Go spread your pro-Trump Fox memes on another forum.

Why don't you go share your neoconservative warmongering ideas in Soldier of Fortune magazine?
https://www.sofmag.com/
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:36 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:Go spread your pro-Trump Fox memes on another forum.
Tom Palven wrote:Why don't you go share your neoconservative warmongering ideas in Soldier of Fortune magazine?
I don't think that magazine accepts economics articles from socialist tax lawyers in Australia. However, I'm sure you can spam all your favourite Sean Hannity "Deep state" propaganda there. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:Go spread your pro-Trump Fox memes on another forum.
Tom Palven wrote:Why don't you go share your neoconservative warmongering ideas in Soldier of Fortune magazine?
I don't think that magazine accepts economics articles from socialist tax lawyers in Australia. However, I'm sure you can spam all your favourite Sean Hannity "Deep state" propaganda there. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Hannity.jpg

Hey Matt, I told you where I went to college and you verified it.

I bet there are others here besides me who would like to know where you went to college and what economics courses you took.

Do you have anyu problem with enlightening us as to your alma mater?
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:13 am

Tom Palven wrote:Hey Matt, I told you where I went to college and you verified it.
Yes. You are a right wing Park Ranger, who copies Fox propaganda onto our forum to support Donald Trump. You pretended you studied Adam Smith at your horticultural college, yet didn't know Adam Smith was an economist. Do you wan't to read those posts again? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Tom Palven wrote: Care to tell us where you went to college and what economics courses you took?
I didn't go to "college". I went to three universities.Sydney University, University of Technology Sydney and University of New South Wales.

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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:Hey Matt, I told you where I went to college and you verified it.
Yes. You are a right wing Park Ranger, who copies Fox propaganda onto our forum to support Donald Trump. You pretended you studied Adam Smith at your horticultural college, yet didn't know Adam Smith was an economist.

Trust me on this, Matt, Adam Smith was not an economist even though he is sometimes called the father of modern economics.

He was the chairman of the philosophy dept. at the University of Glasgow when he wondered why some countries were wealthier than others and published An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations, 1776. He considered his Theory of Moral Sentiments 1759, to be his more important work.
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Post by Wordbird » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:01 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:You are a right wing Park Ranger, who copies Fox propaganda onto our forum to support Donald Trump.
If he's a libertarian, he would never support Trump.

Trump is tough on borders, and libertarians are for open borders.

Trump wants tariffs to protect American jobs... with protectionism. Libertarians favour completely free trade; if you can't compete on the free market, get voluntary charity or go starve.

Libertarianism is an extreme left-wing ideology. They have less in common with the Right than they do any other ideology on the planet.

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Tom Palven wrote: Trust me on this, Matt, Adam Smith was not an economist even though he is sometimes called the father of modern economics.


So Adam Smith, who is the father of modern economics, who used supply and demand curves to show efficiency at equilibrium, known as the "invisible hand"......is not an economist, because you, a right wing, Park Ranger who watches Fox News, say so?

You're a bit retarded right?
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:08 pm

Wordbird wrote:If he's a libertarian, he would never support Trump.
If he was a real Libertarian he wouldn't give a rat's arse about overseas countries, either, yet that's what he posts all the time (although all his facts are wrong) .

Tom Palven simply copies Fox News, pro Trump propaganda onto our forum. He hasn't got the brains to form his own view.
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Post by Wordbird » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:01 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:If he was a real Libertarian he wouldn't give a rat's arse about overseas countries, either, yet that's what he posts all the time (although all his facts are wrong) .
That's not true. Libertarians are against all instances of aggression and "for" (they believe force should never interfere with) whatever is not aggression.

If you punch someone, or steal, that's always wrong, no matter what they did first. (Unless it's immediate self-defence.)

If you don't punch someone, and don't steal, it's never wrong.

Governments are always wrong, because they always steal (tax).

But "little guy" foreign countries who can be effectively painted as victims of American aggression are to be exalted. Never mind what they do to their own people. They're the "good guys" because Americans are inherently evil.

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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Go spread your pro-Trump Fox memes on another forum.
You are True Believer, Matt, as much a True Believer in your own right as fundamentalist Christians.

You truly believe that the Anglo-american empire has been and still is a great and benevolent boon to mankind that works in strange and wondrous ways its miracles to perform without being the least bit skeptical about that, despite mounds of evidence to the contrary.

https://news.antiwar.com/2018/10/12/us- ... ppearance/
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:49 pm

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You are True Believer, Matt, as much a True Believer in your own right as fundamentalist Christians.
I'm an atheist on an atheist forum. You are the uber conservative park ranger, who couldn't believe I had a child without being married. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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You truly believe that the Anglo-american empire....
The USA and UK don't have a combined empire, nor do they have separate empires..

You are in your late 70s and a bit senile, remember? You get confused when posting and know nothing about the real world..
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Matthew Ellard wrote:
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You are True Believer, Matt, as much a True Believer in your own right as fundamentalist Christians.
I'm an atheist on an atheist forum.



I don't question that you are an atheist who doesn't believe in the supernatural, Matt.

It just seems that you have complete FAITH in the righteousness, purity, and benevolence of the US Empire and the British Emipire before it, despite mounds of contrary evidence.

God save the Queen and all that.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:38 am

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I don't question that you are an atheist who doesn't believe in the supernatural, Matt.
Then why did you compare me to a fundamentalist Christian knowing I fight fundamentalist christians on this atheist forum? Yet here are you, copying Fox News conservative propaganda on our atheist forum, as you follow Fox's "Deep State" conspiracy, without thinking.
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You truly believe that the Anglo-american empire....... you have complete FAITH in the righteousness, purity, and benevolence of the US Empire and the British Emipire
The USA and UK don't have empires Tom Palven. You forgot what you were informed about only two posts ago. You go off in the head in the afternoons, right?
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You are slightly retarded as well as senile, right? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Matthew Ellard wrote:
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I don't question that you are an atheist who doesn't believe in the supernatural, Matt.
Then why did you compare me to a fundamentalist Christian knowing I fight fundamentalist christians on this atheist forum?


As much as I deplore repetitiousness, Matt, it just seems that you have complete FAITH in the righteousness, purity, and benevolence of the US Empire and the British Empire before it, despite mounds of evidence that these empires have not necessarily been benevolent. You have a FAITH that is unquestioning, and unSKEPTICAL, bordering on the religious.

This is not The Atheist Society Forum, Matt. This is The Skeptics Society Forum.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:30 am

Tom Palven wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:18 am
As much as I deplore repetitiousness, Matt, it just seems that you have complete FAITH in the righteousness, purity, and benevolence of the US Empire and the British Empire before it,
No Tom Palven. You are a senile old retired park ranger, who spreads fake conspiracies, from Fox News, on a Skeptic forum that checks facts.

As you are a total idiot, you also forgot that empires have emperors.

Who is the Emperor of the USA?

Who is the Emperor of the UK?
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Post by Tom Palven » Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:49 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:30 am
Tom Palven wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:18 am
As much as I deplore repetitiousness, Matt, it just seems that you have complete FAITH in the righteousness, purity, and benevolence of the US Empire and the British Empire before it,
As you are a total idiot, you also forgot that empires have emperors.

Who is the Emperor of the USA?

Having been schooled in the US it is true that I am woefully ignorant about the British caste system of earls, barons, princes, and so on versus commoners, and royally commissioned military officers versus untouchables, and I hadn't realized that the leaders of the British Empire were emperors.

I had always thought of them as King Georges and Queen Elizabeths, although I think I heard Victoria referred to as Empress of India, among her titles, not that I much care one way or another, as I find the concept of "royal blood" to be bloody asinine.

But, again, as much as I hate being repetitious, it just seems that you have complete FAITH in the righteousness, purity, and benevolence of the US Empire and the British Empire before the sun set on it, despite mounds of evidence that these empires have not necessarily been benevolent.

You have a FAITH that borders of the religious, a faith that is unquestioning and unSKEPTICAL.

And remember, Matt, only YOU can prevent forest fires.

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Tom Palven is an idiot

Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:12 am

Tom Plaven Claims there is a secret US-Anglo Empire / Discussion
Matthew Ellard wrote: Who is the Emperor of the USA?
Tom Palven wrote: Having been schooled in the US it is true that I am woefully ignorant about the British caste system of earls, barons, princes, and so on
If you had any form of basic education you would know that "Emperors" are Roman and not English. Augustus Octavian was the Imperator ("Emperor") of the Roman Empire.

You don't actually know what the Roman Empire is, do you?
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Tom Palven wrote: I hadn't realized that the leaders of the British Empire were emperors.
Frankly, I doubt you know how to spell your own name without help. The UK is currently an equal member of the Commonwealth of Nations and not an empire. :lol: :lol:

So Tom? Who is the emperor of this US-Anglo Empire you claim exists? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Tom Palven is an idiot

Post by Tom Palven » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:33 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:12 am
Tom Palven wrote: Having been schooled in the US it is true that I am woefully ignorant about the British caste system of earls, barons, princes, and so on
If you had any form of basic education you would know that "Emperors" are Roman and not English. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



Just for your edification, Matt, here is a list of British Emperors of India:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_of_India
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