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1. Do you feel like you're standing on a spinning ball?
2. The government told us so, therefore it's a lie.
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1. I feel like a coffee would go well right now.
2. The ancient Greek philosophers told us. The gov't got it from them.
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Re: Flat Earth Theory: Denialism's new high-water mark

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OlegTheBatty wrote:
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1. I feel like a coffee would go well right now.
2. The ancient Greek philosophers told us. The gov't got it from them.
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The conference was supposed to be international. Does this mean flat earthers go "around " the planet to attend ?

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The conference was supposed to be international. Does this mean flat earthers go "around " the planet to attend ?
Of course. But then they deny it.
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Gord wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:40 am
Lance Kennedy wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:29 pm
The conference was supposed to be international. Does this mean flat earthers go "around " the planet to attend ?
Of course. But then they deny it.
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Nobody lives there yet. When someone does, they could start one.
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Nobody lives there yet. When someone does, they could start one.
They'd have a rough trip getting there, looking out the windows at all those globes.
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:27 am
Gord wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:40 am
Lance Kennedy wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:29 pm
The conference was supposed to be international. Does this mean flat earthers go "around " the planet to attend ?
Of course. But then they deny it.
From one of my cousins: "You have to play their game if you want to get anywhere. We both know it's a joke but they have to say 'around the world' with a straight face."
I thought all your cousins were dead or in jail.
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Post by TJrandom » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:21 am

Gord wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:40 am
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:27 am
Gord wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:40 am
Lance Kennedy wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:29 pm
The conference was supposed to be international. Does this mean flat earthers go "around " the planet to attend ?
Of course. But then they deny it.
From one of my cousins: "You have to play their game if you want to get anywhere. We both know it's a joke but they have to say 'around the world' with a straight face."

I thought all your cousins were dead or in jail.
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Post by landrew » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:21 am

How do they explain how Magellan sailed one direction and came back from the opposite direction?
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How do they explain how Magellan sailed one direction and came back from the opposite direction?
He went around in a big circle: https://www.jstor.org/stable/3328027?se ... b_contents
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Gord wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:40 am
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:27 am
Gord wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:40 am
Lance Kennedy wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:29 pm
The conference was supposed to be international. Does this mean flat earthers go "around " the planet to attend ?
Of course. But then they deny it.
From one of my cousins: "You have to play their game if you want to get anywhere. We both know it's a joke but they have to say 'around the world' with a straight face."
I thought all your cousins were dead or in jail.
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Post by landrew » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:29 pm

I call it "denialism" because it seems that no argument is possible to sway such an opinion. There's apparently no intent to get to the facts, just a blanket opposition to other points of view.

Surely there's a better name for this type of mental illness.
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Post by TJrandom » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:46 pm

Feigned Scepticism – sort of like what we see from one to-remain-unnamed-poster in the Chinese lived to FF16 years old thread? :roll:

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TJrandom wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:46 pm
Feigned Scepticism – sort of like what we see from one to-remain-unnamed-poster in the Chinese lived to FF16 years old thread? :roll:
It's skeptical fodder for all of us to enjoy. BTW FF16=65302.
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Post by TJrandom » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:46 pm

Sucks - I couldn`t find a way to show the base as 16. :?

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TJrandom wrote:
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Sucks - I couldn`t find a way to show the base as 16. :?
https://www.rapidtables.com/convert/num ... html?x=256
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Post by TJrandom » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:26 am

landrew wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:36 am
TJrandom wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:46 pm
Sucks - I couldn`t find a way to show the base as 16. :?
https://www.rapidtables.com/convert/num ... html?x=256
That made no sense at all... it gives 100 (base 16) as being equal to 256 (base 10). FF (base 16) is 256 (base 10). So maybe not enough information... maybe FF for 256 needed to be specified as "binary coded double byte"... 1111 1111 (base 2).

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:37 am

landrew: could you make any sense at all re that babble?

I flew transpolar once....I forget why. I didn't like it at all. No place to land/get rescued air communications poor. As I look at the flat map....it looks to me that Labador IS on the way from New York to Hong Kong. Well........thats flat earthers for you. Get a Globe???
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Post by Gord » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:57 am

TJrandom wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:46 pm
Sucks - I couldn`t find a way to show the base as 16. :?
When I was in high school, they taught us to do it like this: FF16.

But then I went outside and nobody else has ever done it that way ever again. In university, when I wrote it like that, my professors told me to quit it.
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Post by TJrandom » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:11 am

I could do it that way on paper - but when using a keyboard it eluded me. It looks like you have found the way in spite of those proffesors. ;)

BTW - what do compsci students learn today - base 32, base 64? Or is it still base 16?

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I could do it that way on paper - but when using a keyboard it eluded me. It looks like you have found the way in spite of those proffesors. ;)
It's the forums doing it. There are options like "latex", "wiki", "google", "hide", and then "x2" and "x2". Those last two are called subscript and superscript. To put something in subscript, just wrap your term in [boxes] (just like bolding or italicising) but instead of B and /B or I and /I you use sub and /sub.
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...I feel like I just type a whole lot of gibberish. Did any of that make sense? I need sleep!...
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Gord wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:34 am
...I feel like I just type a whole lot of gibberish. Did any of that make sense? I need sleep!...
Like this? ...I feel like I just type a whole lot of gibberish. Did any of that make sense? I need sleep!...


or... ...I feel like I just type a whole lot of gibberish. Did any of that make sense? I need sleep!...


but latex?

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TJrandom wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:51 am
Gord wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:34 am
...I feel like I just type a whole lot of gibberish. Did any of that make sense? I need sleep!...
Like this? ...I feel like I just type a whole lot of gibberish. Did any of that make sense? I need sleep!...


or... ...I feel like I just type a whole lot of gibberish. Did any of that make sense? I need sleep!...


but latex?
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Click on the airplane and your confusion will be over. The flat-earthers seem to think that a view of the earth from the north pole is the proper model of an earth shaped like a pizza.
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Post by Gord » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:35 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:25 pm
TJrandom wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:51 am
Gord wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:34 am
...I feel like I just type a whole lot of gibberish. Did any of that make sense? I need sleep!...
Like this? ...I feel like I just type a whole lot of gibberish. Did any of that make sense? I need sleep!...


or... ...I feel like I just type a whole lot of gibberish. Did any of that make sense? I need sleep!...


but latex?
\(Latex\)
[google]
Spoiler:
[/google]
landrew wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:38 pm
Click on the airplane and your confusion will be over. The flat-earthers seem to think that a view of the earth from the north pole is the proper model of an earth shaped like a pizza.
Judging by youtube, the flat earthers (AKA "flerfers") don't have a model. A few have been tried but none of them work.
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Gord wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:35 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:25 pm
TJrandom wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:51 am
Gord wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:34 am
...I feel like I just type a whole lot of gibberish. Did any of that make sense? I need sleep!...
Like this? ...I feel like I just type a whole lot of gibberish. Did any of that make sense? I need sleep!...


or... ...I feel like I just type a whole lot of gibberish. Did any of that make sense? I need sleep!...


but latex?
\(Latex\)
[google]
Spoiler:
[/google]
landrew wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:38 pm
Click on the airplane and your confusion will be over. The flat-earthers seem to think that a view of the earth from the north pole is the proper model of an earth shaped like a pizza.
Judging by youtube, the flat earthers (AKA "flerfers") don't have a model. A few have been tried but none of them work.
Of course none of them work, yet everything works when your playground is a pre-school level of knowledge of science.
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landrew wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:44 pm
Gord wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:35 pm
landrew wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:38 pm
Click on the airplane and your confusion will be over. The flat-earthers seem to think that a view of the earth from the north pole is the proper model of an earth shaped like a pizza.
Judging by youtube, the flat earthers (AKA "flerfers") don't have a model. A few have been tried but none of them work.
Of course none of them work, yet everything works when your playground is a pre-school level of knowledge of science.
Some of the flerfers seem to be trying really hard to perform experiments to prove the Earth isn't a glove that spins on its axis as it orbits the Sun. One of them bought a $20,000 instrument to measure the spin of the Earth. When his experiment demonstrated that it was in fact moving as if it were on a globe, he began trying to work out how the "movement of the dome of the sky" might be influencing it instead.

I won't link to it because I don't want to send traffic to a flerfer's youtube account.
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Gord wrote:
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I won't link to it because I don't want to send traffic to a flerfer's youtube account.
Why the hell not? They need all the help they can get.
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landrew wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:29 pm
Gord wrote:
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I won't link to it because I don't want to send traffic to a flerfer's youtube account.
Why the hell not? They need all the help they can get.
Because channels that get more views also get bumped up into other people's recommended videos. I don't want to recommend flerfer videos to innocent children.
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Gord wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:40 pm
landrew wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:29 pm
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I won't link to it because I don't want to send traffic to a flerfer's youtube account.
Why the hell not? They need all the help they can get.
Because channels that get more views also get bumped up into other people's recommended videos. I don't want to recommend flerfer videos to innocent children.
Don't you believe in freedom of expression? No matter how stupid the ideas?
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Post by Lance Kennedy » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:28 am

Freedom of expression, yes.

Encouraging idiocy, no.

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Lance Kennedy wrote:
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Freedom of expression, yes.

Encouraging idiocy, no.
Why not encourage such ideas so that it becomes clear to everyone that they are idiotic?
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Post by Lance Kennedy » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:46 am

I would rather use available media to tell everyone those ideas are idiotic. Flat Earthers luckily have very little following. The majority of people know they are idiots.

But there are lots of other idiocies with big followings. How many people, for example, believe that a naturopathic detox program is good ? It is not. How many morons believe silly conspiracy theories ? How many believe that nuclear power is horribly dangerous ? How many believe that GM food is a hazard ? How many believe that going on a diet can help you lose weight long term ? Or that exercise is a useful weight loss activity ?

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Re: Flat Earth Theory: Denialism's new high-water mark

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:08 am

Put me down for "nuclear power is horribly dangerous." //// Its why they are very heavily regulated, inspected, and shut down. Often never coming up to full power because of safety concerns. Can you agree nuke power is horribly dangerous IF you use the definition given? I know you can't....but surprise me.
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Re: Flat Earth Theory: Denialism's new high-water mark

Post by landrew » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:47 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:46 am
I would rather use available media to tell everyone those ideas are idiotic. Flat Earthers luckily have very little following. The majority of people know they are idiots.

But there are lots of other idiocies with big followings. How many people, for example, believe that a naturopathic detox program is good ? It is not. How many morons believe silly conspiracy theories ? How many believe that nuclear power is horribly dangerous ? How many believe that GM food is a hazard ? How many believe that going on a diet can help you lose weight long term ? Or that exercise is a useful weight loss activity ?
Exercise doesn't work. Eating less is the key.
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