Speciation caught in the act.

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Speciation caught in the act.

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:25 pm

The Cave-Dwelling Crocodiles of Gabon
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Re: Speciation caught in the act.

Postby TJrandom » Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:12 pm

Nice...

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Postby Gord » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:26 am

Creationists won't believe it's evolution until one turns into a cat. But that wouldn't be evolution, it would be friggin' magic, so they'd still be wrong.
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Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:14 pm

Gord wrote:Creationists won't believe it's evolution until one turns into a cat. But that wouldn't be evolution, it would be friggin' magic, so they'd still be wrong.


Of course magic is basically what they already believe in, so from their point of view they are simply rejecting a bad school of magic for a good one.

This can be seen in one very common line of attack on the theory of evolution. That it does not have the virtues believers claim for their religion. For example it will not offer moral guidance nor save your soul from Hell.

All true, but missing the point.
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Re: Speciation caught in the act.

Postby Lance Kennedy » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:14 pm

Gord is so right.

This crocodile example is a good one, but not the only one. There are now a number of cases where one species has been observed, over a study period, to evolve into a new species. Cichlid fish in African lakes and geckos in the Caribbean come to mind, but a simple Google search will reveal more.

But religious nutters will not believe any of it.

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Postby Cadmusteeth » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:12 am

They won’t believe it because they don’t want to.

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Postby Gord » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:11 am

And yet they believe someone once turned into a pillar of salt. ;)
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Re: Speciation caught in the act.

Postby TJrandom » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:08 am

Gord wrote:And yet they believe someone once turned into a pillar of salt. ;)


Inquiring minds want to know... when passing said pillar, to test if it was really salt, just where did people lick? :?

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Re: Speciation caught in the act.

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:25 am

In the area around the Dead Sea there are plenty of naturally occurring approximately human sized pillars of salt.

OK it's a stretch to suppose one of them used to be a woman who used to live near there, and the specific pillar is not identified, but one thing is certain.

No licking allowed. :mrgreen:
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Re: Speciation caught in the act.

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:18 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:There are now a number of cases where one species has been observed, over a study period, to evolve into a new species.
I think the clearest example, to use against anti-evolutionists, would be evolved penicillin resistant bacteria.

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Re: Speciation caught in the act.

Postby Lance Kennedy » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:19 pm

Won't work, Matthew.
There is no rationality to appeal to. Creationists now generally accept what they call "microadaptation " and they will classify antibiotic resistance as such. They just claim that microadaptation does not lead to speciation.

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Re: Speciation caught in the act.

Postby landrew » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:27 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Lance Kennedy wrote:There are now a number of cases where one species has been observed, over a study period, to evolve into a new species.
I think the clearest example, to use against anti-evolutionists, would be evolved penicillin resistant bacteria.

That one doesn't work. It only inspires ridicule and disbelief in the connection between monkey and human. I've heard it raised in debates before, and it leads to nothing.
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Re: Speciation caught in the act.

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:32 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:In the area around the Dead Sea there are plenty of naturally occurring approximately human sized pillars of salt.

OK it's a stretch to suppose one of them used to be a woman who used to live near there, and the specific pillar is not identified, but one thing is certain.

No licking allowed. :mrgreen:

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Re: Speciation caught in the act.

Postby TJrandom » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:17 pm

Ah, no wonder he left her behind...

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Re: Speciation caught in the act.

Postby Gord » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:36 pm

TJrandom wrote:
Gord wrote:And yet they believe someone once turned into a pillar of salt. ;)

Inquiring minds want to know... when passing said pillar, to test if it was really salt, just where did people lick? :?

I've never heard of anyone passing a pillar of salt, but it certainly sounds like it would sting.
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Re: Speciation caught in the act.

Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:37 pm

:lol:



Cadmusteeth wrote:They won’t believe it because they don’t want to.

For them it's "If pics, it didn't happen."
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