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Re: Documents alone prove mass gassing at Birkenau.

Postby VFX » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:47 am

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VFX wrote:Anything is what is used for at the time. I am sure if 500 jews were thrown into a cellar and gassed in your mind it would become a gas chamber. This thread is about documents, where are the documents which reflect the line of people walking into a gas chamber. Fair enough if there was one line but the claim made is that 1.5 million people were gassed. At say 1000 people a line, that is 1500 lines of people suddenly not recorded or photographed. Pretty amazing aye Kelpie.


Who's taking photos?

British were most of the time in fine weather.
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VFX wrote:
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VFX wrote:Anything is what is used for at the time. I am sure if 500 jews were thrown into a cellar and gassed in your mind it would become a gas chamber. This thread is about documents, where are the documents which reflect the line of people walking into a gas chamber. Fair enough if there was one line but the claim made is that 1.5 million people were gassed. At say 1000 people a line, that is 1500 lines of people suddenly not recorded or photographed. Pretty amazing aye Kelpie.


Who's taking photos?

British were most of the time in fine weather.


Date those individually.

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Re: Documents alone prove mass gassing at Birkenau.

Postby VFX » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:33 am

Balmoral95 wrote:
VFX wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
VFX wrote:Anything is what is used for at the time. I am sure if 500 jews were thrown into a cellar and gassed in your mind it would become a gas chamber. This thread is about documents, where are the documents which reflect the line of people walking into a gas chamber. Fair enough if there was one line but the claim made is that 1.5 million people were gassed. At say 1000 people a line, that is 1500 lines of people suddenly not recorded or photographed. Pretty amazing aye Kelpie.


Who's taking photos?

British were most of the time in fine weather.


Date those individually.

Go and find your own information. It is clear there is no data and hence no evidence of these lines of people..That is the end of the Birkenau claim.
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Postby VFX » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:40 am

Lines of people walking into chamber was never recorded by aerial recognizance despite many flyovers. The reason of course why no photos of people lining up to go into the cellars was because it simply did not happen. The witnesses have been totally discredited and written about here. This is the medical evidence and the temporal evidence to support the assertion from Friedrich. Checkmate. The conclusion is that gassing by HCN and CO is a complete fabrication.
In no way do we wish to demean the suffering of people who were in the Lagers, that is another issue (albeit caused by war and resultant disease). By discrediting the official version as we have done (they have no redress now) we can move forward and speak of the other 60 million who suffered. We have forcibly grabbed this away from the Jews: we say there were many needless casualties caused in this meaningless war. There was no genocide, no holocaust, just the aftermath of some people wanting compensation for a situation they started: Faustian as it is, Juden sold their soul to the devil of their own myth: that time is now almost over. Mephistopheles is smiling. :)
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VFX wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
VFX wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
VFX wrote:Anything is what is used for at the time. I am sure if 500 jews were thrown into a cellar and gassed in your mind it would become a gas chamber. This thread is about documents, where are the documents which reflect the line of people walking into a gas chamber. Fair enough if there was one line but the claim made is that 1.5 million people were gassed. At say 1000 people a line, that is 1500 lines of people suddenly not recorded or photographed. Pretty amazing aye Kelpie.


Who's taking photos?

British were most of the time in fine weather.


Date those individually.

Go and find your own information. It is clear there is no data and hence no evidence of these lines of people..That is the end of the Birkenau claim.


Cute, say the dates in list form of the overflights and the relevant data as to time of day. And by the way you fat, arrogant cant... all been done before...

So.. Fack you, lying prick.

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Re: Documents alone prove mass gassing at Birkenau.

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:54 am

VFX wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
VFX wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
VFX wrote:Anything is what is used for at the time. I am sure if 500 jews were thrown into a cellar and gassed in your mind it would become a gas chamber. This thread is about documents, where are the documents which reflect the line of people walking into a gas chamber. Fair enough if there was one line but the claim made is that 1.5 million people were gassed. At say 1000 people a line, that is 1500 lines of people suddenly not recorded or photographed. Pretty amazing aye Kelpie.


Who's taking photos?

British were most of the time in fine weather.


Date those individually.

Go and find your own information. It is clear there is no data and hence no evidence of these lines of people..That is the end of the Birkenau claim.

If you won't detail and support your claim, it's useless.

And it's rather obvious why you don't want to give dates.

Look, we know you're frustrated. This hasn't worked out well for you. Montgomery's coattails haven't been what you expected. Nothing you post is useful, for you or anyone else. But, please, try to have some dignity.
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Re: Documents alone prove mass gassing at Birkenau.

Postby montgomery » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:56 am

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So.. Fack you, lying prick.


You need to back off with the profanity.

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Postby VFX » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:00 am

Balmoral95 wrote:
Cute, say the dates in list form of the overflights and the relevant data as to time of day. And by the way you fat, arrogant cant... all been done before...

So.. Fack you, lying prick.

There were many recognizance flyovers, and yet none show the information requested. We only need to see one convincing photo and well that is the end of the story. I have quite a few other photos of people playing sports in the field, lining up elsewhere, but strangely enough no lines of people. I wanna see an aerial photo of the depiction below.
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Re: Documents alone prove mass gassing at Birkenau.

Postby VFX » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:04 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
VFX wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
VFX wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
VFX wrote:Anything is what
If you won't detail and support your claim, it's useless.

And it's rather obvious why you don't want to give dates.

There is no claim, we are trying to help you to search for the one photo that can support all of the analysis you have given. Find that one photo and your job is done. That photo might be there, I have no idea but so far no one has seen it. Until then you are done: have a nice day. :lol:
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Postby Balmoral95 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:13 am

What analysis.?.. I haven't given any analysis. I asked a question. Wtf are you talking about?

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:14 am

Balmoral95 wrote:What analysis.?.. I haven't given any analysis. I asked a question. Wtf are you talking about?

Yeah, he's scrambling all right. Doesn't want to answer what you asked because he's afraid it won't help him.
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Postby VFX » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:18 am

Just cut the talk, and show the photo of people going into Leichenkeller 2. Until then seriously end of story. We do not want help, we just want a photo. All of your book reading won't help you on this one. This is the data and the evidence we require; if you cannot produce it shut up. Revisionist case closed on Auschwitz Birkenau. Have a nice day.
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Re: Documents alone prove mass gassing at Birkenau.

Postby scrmbldggs » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:24 am

montgomery wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
So.. Fack you, lying prick.


You need to back off with the profanity.

You need to go to the principal.
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Postby VFX » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:26 am

scrmbldggs wrote:It's Nessie's story, deary. And if you're tired, go home for a nap and and come back tomorrow for your lessons.

You are being wound in a pincer movement, and no unless there is a photograph of people going underground it is the end of the road for you on Auschwitz. Everything else is thoroughly discredited which is why there is a look at the Einsatz camps. Auschwitz is proven to be false as an extermination centre.
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VFX wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:It's Nessie's story, deary. And if you're tired, go home for a nap and and come back tomorrow for your lessons.

You are being wound in a pincer movement, and no unless there is a photograph of people going underground it is the end of the road for you on Auschwitz. Everything else is thoroughly discredited which is why there is a look at the Einsatz camps. Auschwitz is proven to be false as an extermination centre.

Maybe you should take a look at Birkenau?
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Re: Documents alone prove mass gassing at Birkenau.

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scrmbldggs wrote:
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scrmbldggs wrote:It's Nessie's story, deary. And if you're tired, go home for a nap and and come back tomorrow for your lessons.

You are being wound in a pincer movement, and no unless there is a photograph of people going underground it is the end of the road for you on Auschwitz. Everything else is thoroughly discredited which is why there is a look at the Einsatz camps. Auschwitz is proven to be false as an extermination centre.

Maybe you should take a look at Birkenau?


Maybe YOU eggs should try to present some rebuttal of the argument VFX is presenting. He's taking this forum's spammers down singlehanded.

He needs no support from me, regardless that I'm not qualified to give him any.

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montgomery wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
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scrmbldggs wrote:It's Nessie's story, deary. And if you're tired, go home for a nap and and come back tomorrow for your lessons.

You are being wound in a pincer movement, and no unless there is a photograph of people going underground it is the end of the road for you on Auschwitz. Everything else is thoroughly discredited which is why there is a look at the Einsatz camps. Auschwitz is proven to be false as an extermination centre.

Maybe you should take a look at Birkenau?


Maybe YOU eggs should try to present some rebuttal of the argument VFX is presenting. He's taking this forum's spammers down singlehanded.

He needs no support from me, regardless that I'm not qualified to give him any.

What argument?
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And what's with your oological obsession? Is it because you're :chicken:?
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VFX wrote: Everything else is thoroughly discredited which is why there is a look at the Einsatz camps. Auschwitz is proven to be false as an extermination centre.

As though we haven't heard this refrain before.

For the AR camps, despite the volumes of different kinds of evidence, they demand certain specific cherrypicked forensic evidence - or "game over."

For Auschwitz, he now comes up with a need for a certain specific photograph - or "game over." (Btw denier Eric Hunt finally sat down and analyzed some of the few Auschwitz photographs extant - and decided white genocide was a better thing for him than revisionism, as the photographs only made sense as showing parts of the extermination process.)

As Nick Terry recently wrote in a different context, "It's not enough to cherrypick a few things you dislike or think aren't probative, you have to explain all of the sources together, and actually discuss them in a logical narrative order because this is, y'know, history. This hasn't been done by deniers."
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Postby Balmoral95 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:49 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
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Balmoral95 wrote:
So.. Fack you, lying prick.


You need to back off with the profanity.

You need to go to the principal.


Apparently he doesn't understand that here, as long as this continues, profanity is the language of the articulate.

And they wanted to remake the forum into some crap, reader's digest version of "debate"... Smith was dumb enough to suggest it on Sunday.... apparently he's incapable of understanding that's not happening, and wants to keep us, 'honest". Fack him.

Jeff and Nessie don't object, and want to play the game.... fine. Maybe they like the the makeover idea too.

Jeff and Nessie live for this as entertainment. The rest aren't interested.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:49 am

scrmbldggs wrote:What argument?

What VFX is doing is dodging a direct and pertinent question the answer to which would enable any "skeptical" observer to evaluate VFX's claim - and as a means of dodging VFX is employing, with montgomery's assistance, the profound denier tactic called "premature victory dance." A dance done usually, as in this case, before a discussion has even broken out.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:53 am

Balmoral95 wrote:Jeff and Nessie don't object, and want to play the game.... fine. Maybe they like the the makeover idea too.

Jeff and Nessie live for this as entertainment. The rest aren't interested.

After all, we're here, not there. If they really like the Rodoh experience, should "entertain" it at Rodoh. As to the rest not being interested, it's really simple: the umpteenth version of "just askin'" or "but Wiernik's magic shoulder blade" or "I need to see a photograph of that taken in bright sunlight with a large format camera showing everyone's face clearly" or "Treblinka had a maternity ward or was a hospital or something" is just not interesting.
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Postby montgomery » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:57 am

Abby Norman, a writer with the best of intentions.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/stanisl ... -auschwitz
But with a total lack of ability to string a story together without a couple of dozen contradictions. This is again an example of telling tales of the holocaust that lack the required sophistication to make them believable.

Even though Menegle was clearly opposed to Stanislawa’s saving of Jewish infants and their mothers, he did remark to the other Nazi physicians that not only was she an exceptionally skilled midwife, but that she was the personification of hope prisoners clung to that they may, eventually, escape the camp.


Dr. Menegle? remarked to the other camp physicians?

A complete trainwreck!
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:Jeff and Nessie don't object, and want to play the game.... fine. Maybe they like the the makeover idea too.

Jeff and Nessie live for this as entertainment. The rest aren't interested.

After all, we're here, not there. If they really like the Rodoh experience, should "entertain" it at Rodoh. As to the rest not being interested, it's really simple: the umpteenth version of "just askin'" or "but Wiernik's magic shoulder blade" or "I need to see a photograph of that taken in bright sunlight with a large format camera showing everyone's face clearly" or "Treblinka had a maternity ward or was a hospital or something" is just not interesting.


I don't think photos are "good enough anymore". What they want is Ice Age-quality movies.
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montgomery wrote:Abby Norman, a writer with the best of intentions.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/stanisl ... -auschwitz
But with a total lack of ability to string a story together without a couple of dozen contradictions. This is again an example telling tales of the holocaust that lack the required sophistication to make them believable.

There's another word you're misunderstanding and misusing. The word you mean and are looking for is "sophistry".
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:Jeff and Nessie don't object, and want to play the game.... fine. Maybe they like the the makeover idea too.

Jeff and Nessie live for this as entertainment. The rest aren't interested.

After all, we're here, not there. If they really like the Rodoh experience, should "entertain" it at Rodoh. As to the rest not being interested, it's really simple: the umpteenth version of "just askin'" or "but Wiernik's magic shoulder blade" or "I need to see a photograph of that taken in bright sunlight with a large format camera showing everyone's face clearly" or "Treblinka had a maternity ward or was a hospital or something" is just not interesting.

Hey just cut the crap and show us the photos. The same line of people was shown in so many movies and so Official. Look I even got the band playing at the top of the cellar. Stop the rhetoric and produce the photo.
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Take a deep breath, sit down. Have a glass of water. Better now?
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:12 am

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Balmoral95 wrote:Jeff and Nessie don't object, and want to play the game.... fine. Maybe they like the the makeover idea too.

Jeff and Nessie live for this as entertainment. The rest aren't interested.

After all, we're here, not there. If they really like the Rodoh experience, should "entertain" it at Rodoh. As to the rest not being interested, it's really simple: the umpteenth version of "just askin'" or "but Wiernik's magic shoulder blade" or "I need to see a photograph of that taken in bright sunlight with a large format camera showing everyone's face clearly" or "Treblinka had a maternity ward or was a hospital or something" is just not interesting.


I don't think photos are "good enough anymore". What they want is Ice Age-quality movies.

If it's not on YouTube, it didn't happen.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:13 am

VFX wrote:Hey just cut the crap and show us the photos. The same line of people was shown in so many movies and so Official. Look I even got the band playing at the top of the cellar. Stop the rhetoric and produce the photo.

Produce the dates you were asked for.

I won't ask you to start thinking about this the way a historian or other researcher would, you're too far gone.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:16 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
montgomery wrote:Abby Norman, a writer with the best of intentions.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/stanisl ... -auschwitz
But with a total lack of ability to string a story together without a couple of dozen contradictions. This is again an example telling tales of the holocaust that lack the required sophistication to make them believable.

There's another word you're misunderstanding and misusing. The word you mean and are looking for is "sophistry".

Besides which: Auschwitz already discussed.

How long O Lord how long!
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
montgomery wrote:Abby Norman, a writer with the best of intentions.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/stanisl ... -auschwitz
But with a total lack of ability to string a story together without a couple of dozen contradictions. This is again an example telling tales of the holocaust that lack the required sophistication to make them believable.

There's another word you're misunderstanding and misusing. The word you mean and are looking for is "sophistry".

Besides which: Auschwitz already discussed.

How long O Lord how long!


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Postby Nessie » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:14 am

VFX is just attempting a derail because documents do prove mass gassings. He now has a thread to discuss his latest thought on aerial photos. Back to documents, which show that during the construction of the kremas there was an undressing room and gas/gassing cellar here;

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for a special action/treatment of prisoners who were sent to the building;

Telex from Heinrich Schwarz to SS-WVHA of 5 March 1943 on “918 women and children sent to special treatment“ [Blumental, Dokumenty i materiały, volume 1, p. 109]
Telex from Heinrich Schwarz to SS-WVHA of 8 March 1943 on “151 men and 492 women and children were specially treated“ [Blumental, Dokumenty i materiały, volume 1, p. 110]
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Postby VFX » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:19 am

It was a morgue, no live people went into there apart from attendants or workers. Apart from a flight of fantasy which is equivalent to the Chronicles of Narnia nothing untoward happened there. No point in presenting this crap, unless you have aerial photos or other ones of people walking into the Leichenkellers, below stairs. Unless you can do that... the whole Auschwitz-B story fails totally. You have no address. End of the line for you.
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Postby Nessie » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:29 am

VFX wrote:It was a morgue, no live people went into there apart from attendants or workers. Apart from a flight of fantasy which is equivalent to the Chronicles of Narnia nothing untoward happened there. No point in presenting this crap, unless you have aerial photos or other ones of people walking into the Leichenkellers, below stairs. Unless you can do that... the whole Auschwitz-B story fails totally. You have no address. End of the line for you.


No morgue, Australian ones included, take people in for special treatment in undressing rooms and gas chambers.
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Re: Documents alone prove mass gassing at Birkenau.

Postby VFX » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:35 am

True only dead people go into morgues apart from attendants. What is your claim here.
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Re: Documents alone prove mass gassing at Birkenau.

Postby Nessie » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:01 am

VFX wrote:True only dead people go into morgues apart from attendants. What is your claim here.


The documents are not referencing corpses being sent for special action/treatment. Instead, they reference "Jews", "prisoners", "detainees" being sent for special action/treatment.
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Re: Documents alone prove mass gassing at Birkenau.

Postby scrmbldggs » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:27 pm

Pics or it didn't..... oh, wait... :mrgreen:
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Re: Documents alone prove mass gassing at Birkenau.

Postby VFX » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:34 pm

Nessie you have no idea what Special Action means as you do not know the context. I doubt if an autopsy on a corpse would be called special action. Special Action could refer to intelligence gathering for instance by the Gestapo who were at the camp, it could refer to a thousand other things. You just like to think of everything as mass murder. Have you ever thought about writing horror stories. Your mind seems macabre enough.
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Re: Documents alone prove mass gassing at Birkenau.

Postby scrmbldggs » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:59 pm

Have you ever thought about not only looking at what experts discovered through evidence, but actually looking at the readily available and confirmed evidence yourself?

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