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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by Tom Palven » Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:03 am

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Tom Palven wrote: It's my position, as I said, that Trump's deficit spending probably did not boost real GDP.
You don't have a position. :lol:

Remember how I asked you how your 1961 Military Industrial Complex conspiracy would work economically, with the large USA weapons manufacturers going bankrupt or closing down and you ran away.

Would you like to try again?
:lol:

No, I'll pass.

Been there, done that.
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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:21 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:Remember how I asked you how your 1961 Military Industrial Complex conspiracy would work economically, with the large USA weapons manufacturers going bankrupt or closing down and you ran away.

Would you like to try again?
:lol:
Tom Palven wrote:No, I'll pass. Been there, done that.
Really? You would be the first person in history to offer an economically logical explanation for why large military production companies folded or closed down due to normal economic reasons.....so as to keep producing weapons as part of your hilarious 1961 military industrial complex conspiracy.

Can you show me your previous "been there done that" economic rationale?
:lol:
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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by Tom Palven » Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:56 am

Are US economic sanctions losing their sting?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turk ... SKBN1KI0NR
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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:03 am

Tom Palven wrote:Are US economic sanctions losing their sting?
Who gives a rat's arse about the USA anymore? The rest of the world changed and your understanding of the world appears to be stuck in the 1960s.

You got Trump in. You get him out. It's your USA problem and not ours in the rest of the world. Go away.


EU approves free trade negotiations with Australia and NZ
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/eu-approves ... lia-and-nz
CETA is a new trade agreement between the EU and Canada.
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ceta/
Global auto powers plotting response to Trump auto tariff threats/ USA not invited
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1KI0NI
Asia-Pacific nations sign sweeping trade deal without U.S / TPP goes ahead
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trad ... SKCN1GK0JM

You can go and keep reading your Conservative America blogs Tom. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by Tom Palven » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:42 am

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Tom Palven wrote:Are US economic sanctions losing their sting?
Who gives a rat's arse about the USA anymore? The rest of the world changed and your understanding of the world appears to be stuck in the 1960s.

Apparently you do:
https://www.rt.com/news/434274-marines- ... ase-china/
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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:27 am

Tom Palven wrote: Apparently you do:
Poor poor Tom. Learn to read. I clearly said in the previous post that Australia is training more marines in Darwin, because the USA lost influence in the Philippines and Australia is better at fighting counter insurgents. We are training US Marines.

You lost Vietnam. We won Malaysia. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by Tom Palven » Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:24 am

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Tom Palven wrote: Apparently you do:
Poor poor Tom. Learn to read. I clearly said in the previous post that Australia is training more marines in Darwin, because the USA lost influence in the Philippines and Australia is better at fighting counter insurgents. We are training US Marines.

You lost Vietnam. We won Malaysia. :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's all very interesting and good to know, Matt.

Were you aware that US troops are now being trained in 177 different countrries?
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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:55 am

Tom Palven wrote: That's all very interesting and good to know, Matt.
Well Tom, I'm glad you just realised this...... considering the ANZUS agreement has existed since 1951, you complete idiot.

Tom Palven wrote:Were you aware that US troops are now being trained in 177 different countrries?
Yes. I grew up on RAF & RAAF bases shared with the USA, in Germany and other places. My father was a RAAF Group Captain who did three tours in Vietnam. I have already told you this.

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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by TJrandom » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:03 am

@Tom... The `mission` of troops in non-active engagement environments is `readiness` - meaning training and maintenance. Much better that they are training than fighting.

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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by Tom Palven » Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:30 pm

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Tom Palven wrote: That's all very interesting and good to know, Matt.


My father was a RAAF Group Captain who did three tours in Vietnam.
It's also interesting and good to know, Matt, that your father helped me lose the Vietnam War.
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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:45 am

Tom Palven wrote: It's also interesting and good to know, Matt, that your father helped me lose the Vietnam War.
Another fact you got wrong. Australia and New Zealand pulled out of the Vietnam war in 1973, which was 2 years before the USA lost the war. We did this because it became clear that it was a war of independence and not the "communist menace taking over Asia". We knew this because we had won the same war in the Malaya insurgency and the Indonesian insurgency. Australia now pays reparations and builds bridges at our expense in Vietnam as we did in Malaysia and Indonesia.

The USA lost the war on its own. Your really don't know anything about basic history do you?
:lol: :lol:

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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by Tom Palven » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:59 am

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Tom Palven wrote: It's also interesting and good to know, Matt, that your father helped me lose the Vietnam War.
Another fact you got wrong. Australia and New Zealand pulled out of the Vietnam war in 1973, which was 2 years before the USA lost the war. We did this because it became clear that it was a war of independence and not the "communist menace taking over Asia".
Is it possible that the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are wars of independence, too?
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Tom will explain Adam Smith's invisible hand

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:00 am

Tom Palven wrote: I didn't major in the dismal science
Tom Palven wrote:It's been said that if you laid all the economists in the world end to end that they wouldn't reach a conclusion
Errrr.... Tom? Adam Smith was an economist. You have just made it clear you don't actually know what Adam Smith "invisible hand" is. (Competitive firms rationally improve efficiency to reduce price and thus increase demand on a demand curve for their outputs)

Sooooo....Tom, as a big Adam Smith fan, are you saying Adam Smith, the economist, was right or wrong?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Adam Smith was an economist and philosopher who wrote what is considered the "bible of capitalism," The Wealth of Nations
https://www.biography.com/people/adam-smith-9486480

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:03 am

Tom Palven wrote: Is it possible that the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are wars of independence, too?
Yes. It is possible. Which particular armed groups are your referring to? Don't be shy....tell us.

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Re: Tom will explain Adam Smith's invisible hand

Post by Tom Palven » Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:28 am

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Tom Palven wrote: Is it possible that the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are wars of independence, too?
Yes. It is possible. Which particular armed groups are your referring to? Don't be shy....tell us.
What's in a name when a rose by any other name would smell as sweet, and the US CENTCOM/CIA supports the Taliban, the Kurds, or ISIS one day and not the next day?

One armed group that I DO NOT support in the Mid-East is the US military. I think this would be another good job for the Queen's Royal Australian Whatevers.

And what about Iran? The Associated Press is now furiously beating the war drums by issuing modified press releases from the Deep State/MIC in support of Netanyahu's and McCains lust to "Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb, Iran. Can I assume that you support this position?

At least a few in the intelligence community called Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity do not support that position:
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/08/01/v ... astrophic/
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Re: Tom will explain Adam Smith's invisible hand

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:02 am

Tom Palven wrote: Is it possible that the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are wars of independence, too?
Matthew Ellard wrote:Yes. It is possible. Which particular armed groups are your referring to? Don't be shy....tell us.
:lol: :lol:
Tom Palven wrote: What's in a name when a rose by any other name would smell as sweet, and the US CENTCOM/CIA supports the Taliban, the Kurds, or ISIS one day and not the next day?
Soooo..... like everything else, you haven't got a clue what you are talking about and can't offer one example for your insane claim. . :lol: :lol:

You really are a total idiot.


I understand you, Tom Palven, belong to the "Q anon" extremist conspiracy group.
"WHAT IS QANON?
The group, which is dedicated to fighting the “deep state” under orders from a mysterious leader called “Q”, formed from a diverse pool of right-wingers and conspiracy theorists last October, This “storm” reportedly involves elite and powerful groups, particularly the Illuminati, who are trying to control the world and brainwash people."
What the President calls “Fake News”, the group refers to as “Operation Mockingbird,” an alleged 1950s CIA program to manipulate the media. (Gee Tom. That would be you. )
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real- ... adbf43307c

"The Washington Post called "QAnon" a "deranged conspiracy cult" in a Wednesday news story that shot to the top of its "most read" category. Reason, the libertarian magazine, called Tuesday a "coming out party" for believers in the conspiracy." (Gee Tom. It's a Libertarian related movement and you are a Libertarian, Right?)
https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politi ... d-to-know/
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Tell us all you know about this mysterious Deep State conspiracy, Tom? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Tom will explain Adam Smith's invisible hand

Post by Tom Palven » Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:56 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:I understand you, Tom Palven, belong to the "Q anon" extremist conspiracy group.

I interpret your cute change of subject to mean that yes, that you, neoconservative in liberal clothing that you are, want the US to attack Iran and you want it badly.

Why not just admit it and make a case for it?

Why these charades?
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:51 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:I understand you, Tom Palven, belong to the "Q anon" extremist conspiracy group.
Tom Palven wrote:I interpret your cute change of subject to mean that yes, that you, neoconservative in liberal clothing that you are, want the US to attack Iran and you want it badly.
No Tom. You were unable to name one group fighting for independence in Afghanistan or Iraq, despite you bringing those countries' independence fighters up. You ended your own claim as you are a complete idiot, so I moved on. :lol: :lol:

I also had to move when it became clear you didn't know Adam Smith was an economist and you don't actually know what Adam Smith's invisible hand is, while posting continuously about Adam Smith's invisible hand. :lol: :lol:


So tell us Tom. What is it like to belong to Qanon?
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So let us both review your posts on the forum and see how strongly you push the Qanon conspiracy for Donald Trump.

1) Promotes "Deep State" Conspiracy / Tom is a match
Well Tom, that is your main posting topic. You can't describe anything about this magical Deep State, but you know it is really really bad, and out to get Donald Trump....


2) Followers are Right Wingers and Conspiracy theorists / Tom is a match
You link us to the extreme right wing American Conservative blog, while also posting about the "1961 Military Industrial Complex" conspiracy, the "Evil US Empire" conspiracy and the "CIA runs the world" conspiracy.


3) Copies Sean Hannity / Tom is a match.
You and Sean Hannity on the right-wing Fox News Network are the biggest promoters of the "Deep State" conspiracy in the US.


4) Refuses to explain any element of their conspiracy in detail / Tom is a match
Sooooo....Tom? Name one person who belongs to any of your conspiracies and your supporting evidence. I have been asking you since 2016.


5) Claims CIA runs the world / Tom is a match
So tell us Tom, how does the CIA control, for example, North Korea?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

6) Claims Press is manipulated by CIA in same way as Project Mockingbird. / Tom is a match
Gee Tom......that's exactly what you post using the same words.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ywex ... acy-theory
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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by landrew » Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:53 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Were the proper forms filled out and approved? Did she answer all the questions Immigration put to her? Did she provide urine and blood samples?
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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

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They already took away her children...

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Re: Tom Palven / Qanon Check list

Post by Tom Palven » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:18 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:I understand you, Tom Palven, belong to the "Q anon" extremist conspiracy group.
Tom Palven wrote:I interpret your cute change of subject to mean that yes, that you, neoconservative in liberal clothing that you are, want the US to attack Iran and you want it badly.
No Tom...I had to move when it became clear you didn't know Adam Smith was an economist and you don't actually know what Adam Smith's invisible hand is, while posting continuously about Adam Smith's invisible hand. :lol: :lol:

Adam Smith was chairman of the philosophy department at the University of Glasgow, Scotland, when there were no courses devoted to he study of economics. He considered The Theory of Moral Sentiments, 1759, to be his best work. In it he argues that people are basically good, as opposed to the teachings of The Church which hold that people are evil unless saved by Jesus Christ.

With his book An Inquiry into The Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations, 1776, Smith noted that everything from turnips to tea cups were found in the marketplace as if directed by an invisible hand, without the benefit of tariffs, subsidies, quotas or other features of a command economy which he felt benefited wealthy monopolists at the expense of the whole.

Smith is considered to have been a Classical Liberal as stated in the first paragraph of this Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

But what's in a name or a title? As leader of the German National Socialist Workers Party, Adolph Hitler considered himself to be a socialist, but that didn't make him a good person.

You claim to be a socialist, but your heroes, James Clapper, Dick Cheney, Bibi Netanyahu, John Brennan, and other warmongering neoconservatives of the Deep State/MIC are not liberals by any means, and are not, imho, good people; and it is people like Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning, Glenn Greenwald, and Edward Snowden, who have exposed their lies, that you consider to be your enemies!

Am I wrong? Think this through. You are still pretty young and might want to reconsider all this.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:01 am

Tom Palven wrote:Adam Smith was chairman of the philosophy department at the University of Glasgow, Scotland, when there were no courses devoted to he study of economics.
You are an idiot. Adam Smith used demand curves to explain his economic theory.....An Inquiry into The Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations is about economics and trade offs. You never read it.

Adam Smith also set down the maximum revenue curve for taxation and the four main trade offs. We studied Adam Smith at university for economics. I can now add Adam Smith and his invisible hand as more things you don't know anything about.
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Adam Smith
Smith, often referred to as the father of economics, explained the concept of supply and demand as an "invisible hand" that naturally guides the economy. Smith described a society where bakers and butchers provide products that individuals need and want, providing a supply that meets demand and developing an economy that benefits everyone.


"Adam Smith on Public Policy: Four Maxims of Taxation. Adam Smith said taxation should be imposed in proportion to the benefits a taxpayer receives from the state and should be predictable, convenient, and efficient. Adam Smith devoted a significant portion of the Wealth of Nations to the issue of taxation"

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Re: Tom Palven / Qanon Check list

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:08 am

Tom Palven wrote:You claim to be a socialist, but your heroes, James Clapper, Dick Cheney, Bibi Netanyahu, John Brennan, and other warmongering neoconservatives of the Deep State/MIC. "
1) I have never said any of these people are my heroes. :lol: :lol:
2) There is no such thing as the "Deep State" conspiracy or the "1961 Military Industrial Complex" conspiracy, and you can't even describe what the conspiracies are.
:lol: :lol:
Tom Palven wrote:Am I wrong?
You are always wrong as you are an idiot and simply follow the other Qanon clowns.

Hey Tom? Name one person in this secret government "Deep State" conspiracy and your supporting evidence? You can't even do that, can you? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Tom will explain Adam Smith's invisible hand

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Tom Palven wrote: I didn't major in the dismal science
Tom Palven wrote:It's been said that if you laid all the economists in the world end to end that they wouldn't reach a conclusion
Hey Tom.......on the other forum you wrote this?
Tom Palven wrote:Conclusion: I was disappointed the book, finding it to be very outdated. Although it was not required reading in my economics courses at Cornell, (The Wealth of Nations was)
http://www.discussionworldforum.com/sho ... php?t=4854

Sooooo...are you still claiming Adam Smith was not an economist while simultaneously studying him at Cornell in economics? :lol: :lol:

You never went to Cornell at all, Right?

Why do you tell so many lies? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by TJrandom » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:17 am

Maybe Tom went to Cornell like I went to Cambridge – and I assure you that I did indeed go to Cambridge.

(I saw the King`s College Chapel, and then went into town for a pint at a pub before heading back to London.) :roll:

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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

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TJrandom wrote:Maybe Tom went to Cornell like I went to Cambridge – and I assure you that I did indeed go to Cambridge.

(I saw the King`s College Chapel, and then went into town for a pint at a pub before heading back to London.) :roll:
It's a matter pf public record, and Matt has shown that he has terrific search ability at his fingertips, so God knows why he wants to spout this BS about my college.

Why you would believe him is also a little puzzling, what with all the other crap like the Qanon BS and Hannity that he just plain fabricates. :roll:
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Post by TJrandom » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:46 am

Tom Palven wrote:
TJrandom wrote:Maybe Tom went to Cornell like I went to Cambridge – and I assure you that I did indeed go to Cambridge.

(I saw the King`s College Chapel, and then went into town for a pint at a pub before heading back to London.) :roll:
It's a matter pf public record, and Matt has shown that he has terrific search ability at his fingertips, so God knows why he wants to spout this BS about my college.

Why you would believe him is also a little puzzling, what with all the other crap like the Qanon BS that he just plain fabricates. :roll:
I do believe that you are a tad confused. Was there something in your Cornell coursework that led you to think I either believed, or disbelieved Matt re your Cornell experience or even QAnon? There surely wasn`t anything in my post which you quoted. It clearly said maybe and gave a rather ridiculous assertion on my Cambridge experience. Anyway, it was in jest. Carry on....

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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by Tom Palven » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:54 am

TJrandom wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:
TJrandom wrote:Maybe Tom went to Cornell like I went to Cambridge – and I assure you that I did indeed go to Cambridge.

(I saw the King`s College Chapel, and then went into town for a pint at a pub before heading back to London.) :roll:
It's a matter pf public record, and Matt has shown that he has terrific search ability at his fingertips, so God knows why he wants to spout this BS about my college.

Why you would believe him is also a little puzzling, what with all the other crap like the Qanon BS that he just plain fabricates. :roll:
I do believe that you are a tad confused. Was there something in your Cornell coursework that led you to think I either believed, or disbelieved Matt re your Cornell experience or even QAnon? There surely wasn`t anything in my post which you quoted. It clearly said maybe and gave a rather ridiculous assertion on my Cambridge experience. Anyway, it was in jest. Carry on....

What with your eye-roll smilie it sure as hell looked like you were agreeing with him.

Just google Cornell graduates, then Thomas Palven, 1967. It's not friggin rocket science.
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Post by TJrandom » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:58 am

That smilie was for my claim - not yours. Please do keep up.

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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by Tom Palven » Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:43 pm

TJrandom wrote:That smilie was for my claim - not yours. Please do keep up.
Well, if you do decide to do a search, why not also look and see if there is a Matthew Ellard and whether he may have done postgraduate work at a military academy where he studied something like Snipermanship, Grenade Throwing, or Humanely Bayoneting Enemy Women and Children When Drones are Unavailable.
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Post by TJrandom » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:48 pm

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TJrandom wrote:That smilie was for my claim - not yours. Please do keep up.
Well, if you do decide to do a search, why not also look and see if there is a Matthew Ellard and whether he may have done postgraduate work at a military academy where he studied something like Snipermanship, Grenade Throwing, or Humanely Bayoneting Enemy Women and Children When Drones are Unavailable.
Are you suggesting that a search for you and Cornell would resolve along the lines of a search for Matt as you claim?

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Post by Tom Palven » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:44 am

TJrandom wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:
TJrandom wrote:That smilie was for my claim - not yours. Please do keep up.
Well, if you do decide to do a search, why not also look and see if there is a Matthew Ellard and whether he may have done postgraduate work at a military academy where he studied something like Snipermanship, Grenade Throwing, or Humanely Bayoneting Enemy Women and Children When Drones are Unavailable.
Are you suggesting that a search for you and Cornell would resolve along the lines of a search for Matt as you claim?

No, I should back off on that.

I have absolutely no solid evidence that Matt ever taught a course called Humanely Bayoneting Enemy Women and Children When Drones Are Unavailable at an unnamed military academy, and would not want to create the impression that I have such evidence.
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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:21 am

Tom Palven wrote: It's a matter pf public record ..........
That on our forum Tom pretends that Adam Smith is not an economist......while on other forums Tom pretends he studied Adam Smith is an economist in his economics course at Cornell.

Why do you tell so many lies Tom?

Are you not the person who previously could not spell the word education?
Tom Palven wrote:And by the way, nothing in that statement prevents you from spending your own money to provide edcuation for anyone you want to.......
viewtopic.php?f=45&t=29212&p=636561&hil ... on#p636403

So Tom.......explain to us how Adam Smith used supply and demand curves as evidence for his "invisible hand" in economics. You can't, can you? You don't actually know what the "invisible hand" is. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Tom Palven / Qanon Check list

Post by Tom Palven » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:22 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:There is no such thing as the "Deep State" conspiracy or the "1961 Military Industrial Complex" conspiracy, and you can't even describe what the conspiracies are. :lol: :lol:
I don't have to describe it.

As a Five-Star General and 2-term President, we can assume that Dwight Eisenthower knew more about the military, Congress, and lobbyists than either you or I do.

He described the MIC in his Farewell Addresss to the nation in 1961, and as your enemies Snowden, Assange, Greenwald, and Manning have shown, it has grown much more powerful and pervasive since then.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ei ... &FORM=VIRE

It is controlled by what you, in apparently a weak moment, called an "intelligence community steering committee," and what others call a deep state.
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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by TJrandom » Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:11 pm

Tom, Good that the IC/EXCOM exists... and even the `deep state` - lest a wannabe imbecile becomes President.

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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by landrew » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:47 pm

Tsk, tsk...
Still trying to refute with denial.
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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by Gord » Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:17 pm

landrew wrote:Tsk, tsk...
Still trying to refute with denial.
AM not!
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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by Tom Palven » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:47 pm

landrew wrote:Tsk, tsk...
Still trying to refute with denial.
Too cryptic for this dotard.

Who's try to refute what?
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Re: Going to Hell in a handbasket

Post by landrew » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:55 pm

Tom Palven wrote:
landrew wrote:Tsk, tsk...
Still trying to refute with denial.
Too cryptic for this dotard.

Who's try to refute what?
A surprising number of people think they can refute an argument by simply denying it. It doesn't work, and it's meaningless. It also reveals a bankruptcy of their side of the debate.

Ridicule and dismissal are equally useless tactics.
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Re: Tom Palven / Qanon Check list

Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:56 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:There is no such thing as the "Deep State" conspiracy or the "1961 Military Industrial Complex" conspiracy, and you can't even describe what the conspiracies are. :lol: :lol:
Tom Palven wrote:I don't have to describe it.


No Tom. You are a pro-Trump Qanon supporter who claims these conspiracies are real. You do have to describe both your magical non-existing "Deep State" Conspiracy and your magical non-existing "1961 Military Industeial Complex" conspiracy. Here are clear examples of you lies. :lol:

"Deep State" / Doesn't exist
You previously claimed the "Deep State" was a secret cabal of government employees who secretly controlled the government. You then claimed James Clapper and John Brennan were members. However neither James Clapper or John Brennan work in any government role. That means you are making it up as you go.
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"The 1961 Military Industrial Complex Conspiracy / Doesn't Exist
Eisenhower spent 8% of the USA's GDP on weapons and military in 1961 during , what we call, "The Cold War" . In 1972 the USA and Soviet Union agreed to SALT 1 reducing nuclear stockpiles. By NEW START the USA had reduced its deplorable nukes from 31,000 to 1550. Conventional weapons were reduced under the CDF. The USA now only spends less that 3.8% on GDP. This matches the closing down of arm production companies in the USA. That means you are making it up as you go to support Trump.


You are just trying to spread these Russian scripted talk points even though you cannot decribe either conspiracy in any detail and can't name one member of either conspiracy.
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