What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

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What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby SEG » Fri May 25, 2018 2:09 pm

I can't think of any part, but I would be interested if any one part of his supposed life had any good evidence or support.

For example:

1. His birth
2. His childhood
3. His young adult years
4. His ministry
5. His arrest
6. His trial
7. His crucifixion
8. His death
“There are no known non-biblical references to a historical Jesus by any historian or other writer of the time during and shortly after Jesus's purported advent.” His so-called life was a farce.

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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby gorgeous » Fri May 25, 2018 2:30 pm

can you prove you exist ? none here can...
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Fri May 25, 2018 3:42 pm

gorgeous wrote:can you prove you exist ? none here can...

You should read posts you're responding to.
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby SEG » Fri May 25, 2018 9:07 pm

gorgeous wrote:can you prove you exist ? none here can...

I was asking about the evidence. Just like if you assert that God exists, the burden of proof is on you to provide good evidence to support your belief.

Usually I get crickets when I ask this very reasonable question. Why? That's because most people educated on the subject know that there are loads of good arguments against every single phase of his supposed life, and no-one wants to look silly or be on the losing end.

Notice that I didn't mention the resurrection or ascension? That's because I think they are a given that they didn't happen because they break the laws of physics.

I am guessing that atheists who think Jesus was historical will pick his crucifixion, as at first blush it doesn't have as many arguments against it, but let's wait and see.
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri May 25, 2018 9:14 pm

Ummmm.....there is a middle East? Jews used to live there????

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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby SEG » Fri May 25, 2018 10:04 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Ummmm.....there is a middle East? Jews used to live there????

That's a non sequitur.

Weird to hammer on about something you don't believe in? Usually, thats a calling card to spend your time more fruitfully?

I'm here for the same reasons you are. If you find it boring, just find another more interesting one to comment.
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri May 25, 2018 10:39 pm

Not a non-sequitur at all. What evidence is more persuasive? Note: this context is that there is precious little to NO evidence "for" Jeebus.

What IS a non-sequitur is characterizing my response as the product of boredom.

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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby gorgeous » Fri May 25, 2018 10:53 pm

here's your law of physics...-----"Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real." - Niels Bohr
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Postby gorgeous » Fri May 25, 2018 10:56 pm

and fyi....aliens have killed animals and then brought them back to life...they also say time can be slowed down, speeded up , and stopped...sooo .......there are whole levels of knowledge that we have yet to learn....
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

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Why didn't they bring you back to life?
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat May 26, 2018 1:15 am

gorgeous wrote:here's your law of physics...-----"Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real." - Niels Bohr

You've posted this several times. What do you think it means?
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby Aztexan » Sat May 26, 2018 1:32 am

She said, 'I got yer physics right heah!'
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby Aztexan » Sat May 26, 2018 1:33 am

If Jesus isn't real, then who the {!#%@} is that poor bastard on the cross?!?
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby SEG » Sat May 26, 2018 4:19 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Not a non-sequitur at all. What evidence is more persuasive? Note: this context is that there is precious little to NO evidence "for" Jeebus.

It's a non-sequitur because I asked What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence? and gave specific parts of his life as examples to comment on. You followed with 2 questions which were unrelated. If you were only kidding, I apologise. If not it stands as a non-sequitur.

What IS a non-sequitur is characterizing my response as the product of boredom.

I didn't characterize your response as the product of boredom, I offered you an option IF that were the case.

...............FWIW: what are you "here for"?

I'm skeptical about most things that don't make sense in my life and I like talking about them with like minded people. I like learning about critical thinking, forming good arguments and identifying bad ones. I've never been religiously indoctrinated, but I'm fascinated about those people that have been. I really like to examine any additional evidence that I haven't known about before accepting someone’s claims as true. So I enjoy the questioning of authority of religious types and atheists that give them slack when they don't deserve it. How about you?
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby SEG » Sat May 26, 2018 8:29 am

Aztexan wrote:If Jesus isn't real, then who the {!#%@} is that poor bastard on the cross?!?

You mean this guy?
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby Gord » Sat May 26, 2018 10:38 am

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Aztexan wrote:If Jesus isn't real, then who the {!#%@} is that poor bastard on the cross?!?

You mean this guy?
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Why does he have an enormous penisabdomen?
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby SEG » Sat May 26, 2018 11:11 am

Gord wrote:
SEG wrote:
Aztexan wrote:If Jesus isn't real, then who the {!#%@} is that poor bastard on the cross?!?

You mean this guy?
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Why does he have an enormous penisabdomen?

Because he was excited that his time was about to come?
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat May 26, 2018 11:29 am

The skeletal vampire has me concerned. Drinking Jesus juice can't be good for a nightwalker.
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby gorgeous » Sat May 26, 2018 12:24 pm

it means time and the physical are illusions....as Jesus demonstrated by walking on water, multiplying food...just as aliens have done....
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A death erection, angel lust, or terminal erection is a post-mortem erection, technically a priapism, observed in the corpses of men who have been executed, particularly by hanging. ---------In The Sexuality of Christ in Renaissance Art and in Modern Oblivion,[7] art historian and critic Leo Steinberg notes that a number of Renaissance era artists depicted Jesus Christ after the crucifixion with a post-mortem erection. The artwork was suppressed by the Roman Catholic Church for several centuries. -------------The phenomenon has been attributed to pressure on the cerebellum created by the noose.[3] Spinal cord injuries are known to be associated with priapism.[4] Injuries to the cerebellum or spinal cord are often associated with priapism in living patients.[2]

Death by hanging, whether an execution or a suicide, has been observed to affect the genitals of both men and women. In women, the labia and clitoris may become engorged and there may be a discharge of blood from the vagina.[5] In men, "a more or less complete state of erection of the penis, with discharge of urine, mucus or prostatic fluid is a frequent occurrence ... present in one case in three."[5] Other causes of death may also result in these effects, including fatal gunshots to the head, damage to major blood vessels, and violent death by poisoning. A postmortem priapism is an indicator that death was likely swift and violent.[5] In a case reported from Thailand, an excess of sildenafil (Viagra) was thought to be cause of a death erection in a 64-year-old man.[6]
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby SEG » Sat May 26, 2018 1:38 pm

Gord wrote:Why does he have an enormous penisabdomen?

I was waiting for someone to say, "Sweet Jesus, that's a big 'un!"
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

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SEG wrote:
Gord wrote:Why does he have an enormous penisabdomen?

I was waiting for someone to say, "Sweet Jesus, that's a big 'un!"

If you look closely you'll see it's two long thin ones.
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby Aztexan » Sat May 26, 2018 3:18 pm

Is Death Erection still on tour?
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat May 26, 2018 5:53 pm

SEG wrote: I'm skeptical about most things that don't make sense in my life........

Guess how you could make your time more productive? ((Not that I'm saying you are not being productive, just giving you an option should you find it so..........))
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby SEG » Sun May 27, 2018 7:22 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
SEG wrote: I'm skeptical about most things that don't make sense in my life........

Guess how you could make your time more productive? ((Not that I'm saying you are not being productive, just giving you an option should you find it so..........))

Please don't say "learn Nooalf" :)
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:lol:
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun May 27, 2018 2:21 pm

SEG wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
SEG wrote: I'm skeptical about most things that don't make sense in my life........

Guess how you could make your time more productive? ((Not that I'm saying you are not being productive, just giving you an option should you find it so..........))

Please don't say "learn Nooalf" :)

Yep........we're on the same wave length. Amazing how similar the two activities are?
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby Aztexan » Sun May 27, 2018 6:09 pm

Jesus's stock market reports and gun instructions were written in Aramaic so Nooalf wouldn't be too great a leap
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
SEG wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
SEG wrote: I'm skeptical about most things that don't make sense in my life........

Guess how you could make your time more productive? ((Not that I'm saying you are not being productive, just giving you an option should you find it so..........))

Please don't say "learn Nooalf" :)

Yep........we're on the same wave length. Amazing how similar the two activities are?

Could you add participating in general to an online skeptics forum? I see that we have some serious addicts here.
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Re: What Part of Jesus's Life Had The Most Evidence?

Postby SEG » Sun May 27, 2018 9:52 pm

Aztexan wrote:Jesus's stock market reports and gun instructions were written in Aramaic so Nooalf wouldn't be too great a leap

I think he learned whip and table turning via Aramaic as well. Chuck Norris would have been proud of him.
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