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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:52 pm

more on Bannon's problems in Sweden - fortfarande inte intressant för oss [still not interesting to us] - the Sweden Democrats are declining to be part of the Trumpintern, the Moscow Pact, and Bannon's Small Government Directorate:

"Trumpism Is Thriving In Sweden By Carefully Ignoring Donald Trump: The Swedes, who heartily dislike the U.S. president, may soon give his anti-immigrant allies their best election result ever"

"Populist Power-Broker in Sweden Has No Use for Bannon or Russia"

Bannon's anti-welfare state ideology, in fact, seems to have him out of tune with Europe's populist-nationalist right wing parties.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:43 am

Here's an article on Germany arguing that AfD is being radicalized by a younger, more Nazi inflected cohort and speculating that these more extreme elements of AfD view Bannon's European directorate favorably: "Germany's far-right AfD increasingly radicalized by its grassroots, experts warn: Many prominent members of the far-right Alternative for Germany are seemingly unafraid of espousing racist ideology and historical revisionism. Experts warn the organization is becoming increasingly radicalized."
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:51 pm

self-outing video made by the rampantly ignorant thugs who invaded Bookmarks in London (UKIP has had to suspend 3 of its members involved in the attack):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9J6r9Q2DGI
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‘I have not left anybody in the dark about the fact that this time, millions of adult men would not die, and hundreds of thousands of women and children would not be burnt or bombed to death in the cities, without the actual culprit, albeit by more humane means, having to pay for his guilt.’
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Postby Balmoral95 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:53 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:self-outing video made by the rampantly ignorant thugs who invaded Bookmarks in London (UKIP has had to suspend 3 of its members involved in the attack):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9J6r9Q2DGI


Arseholus Brittanicus caught on vid in the wild... This example doesn't look particularly healthy...

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:02 pm

The Brits don't dress like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, as does the American variety, Arseholus Trumpidiculous:

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Postby ElectricMonk » Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:32 pm

Europeans aren't as driven by fads as Americans are: I have yet to meet someone who thinks that there is an easy solution to all the problems that come with having a common market, currency and border. That is why radical parties in Europe have such a high turnover: either they have very narrow goals (like UKIP with the Brexit), which makes them obsolete the moment they achieve said goal; or they are so unfocused in their ideology that they undergo constant shift in direction to more and more fringe viewpoints.
There is nothing someone like Bannon could do to create any lasting effect. What's worse for him, EU companies and billionaires are well aware of the benefits of the EU market and won't sponsor firebrands just for the fun of it.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Postby landrew » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:53 pm

One word: "Slacktivism."
Throwing your support behind a trendy cause while actually doing nothing,
and then forgetting about it a few weeks later, as other distractions catch your attention.
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Strange ...

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‘I have not left anybody in the dark about the fact that this time, millions of adult men would not die, and hundreds of thousands of women and children would not be burnt or bombed to death in the cities, without the actual culprit, albeit by more humane means, having to pay for his guilt.’
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> Holocaust Deniers allowed on Facebook.
>Alex Jones not.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:01 pm

Easy. Zuckerberg.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:55 pm

AfD on Bannon's efforts to build a Trumpintern:
Der frühere Chefstratege von US-Präsident Donald Trump, Steve Bannon, will zur Europawahl im kommenden Jahr rechtspopulistische Parteien in der EU stärken. Welche Kontakte gibt es zur AfD?

Gauland: Meine Kollegin Alice Weidel hat sich einmal mit Herrn Bannon getroffen. Ich sehe aber keine großen Möglichkeiten einer Zusammenarbeit. Wir sind nicht in Amerika. Die Interessenlage der systemoppositionellen Parteien in Europa ist doch sehr unterschiedlich. Die AfD hat engere Kontakte nur nach Österreich zur FPÖ. Frauke Petry wollte immer mit dem französischen Front National zusammenarbeiten, das hat ja auch nicht funktioniert. Herrn Bannon wird es nicht gelingen, zur Europawahl eine Allianz von Gleichgesinnten zu schmieden.

https://www.waz.de/politik/gauland-ja-i ... 62463.html
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

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Postby Jeff_36 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:39 pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-45123605

The same basket of deplorables who organized the Charlottsville Obscenity last year are planning a second rally in Washington DC, and have recived permission to do so.

What they might not know (and Im happy they didnt figure it out) is that the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia is 60% black, and therefore would love the opportunity to do a bit of Nazi bashing.

I predict a beatdown of epic proportions. :)

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:12 pm

viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27755&start=40#p655462
viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27755&start=40#p655494

OTOH I watched hours of live-feeds from Portland (Proud Boys + Patriot Prayer) last weekend, on Unicorn Riot (left), a FB account (right), and local TV news and saw that, whilst the Antifas remain {!#%@} and counter-productive, the main problem was the militarized police force of the "liberal" city, which worked with the far right groups and attacked the counter-protesters violently. Police are police are police.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Postby Jeff_36 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:01 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Police are police are police.


I don't knock them, generally speaking. It's a murderously difficult job (my old man did it for 31 years, I saw how hard it was on him as I grew up) and the issues in Portland seemed to stem more from poor tactics than from out-and-out coordinated, planned cooperation.

DC will be very different because almost every cop there will be black, and therefore would be excited at the opportunity to play whack-a-mole with dumb Nazis. That is the key factor here. I bet most of the boys in blue have the date circled on their calendars by now. I plan on watching it live with chips and guac.

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Postby Jeff_36 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:28 pm

And on a side note: I am uncertain as to which is funnier - a patently senile Trump rambling incoherently about the "Space Force" or a very clear-headed Pence talking about it with a straight face and not a hint of irony.

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Jeff_36 wrote:I don't knock them, generally speaking. . . .

viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27755&p=655578#p655578
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Jeff_36 wrote:And on a side note: I am uncertain as to which is funnier - a patently senile Trump rambling incoherently about the "Space Force" or a very clear-headed Pence talking about it with a straight face and not a hint of irony.

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Postby Balmoral95 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:12 pm

I predict a beatdown of epic proportions.


Highly unlikely.

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Postby Jeff_36 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:09 am

Balmoral95 wrote:
I predict a beatdown of epic proportions.


Highly unlikely.


What would happen if the KKK walked through Harlem in 1961?

This is the rough demographic equivalent.

Im just hopeful. Hope is not dead.

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Jeff_36 wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
I predict a beatdown of epic proportions.


Highly unlikely.


What would happen if the KKK walked through Harlem in 1961?

This is the rough demographic equivalent.

Im just hopeful. Hope is not dead.



Except that was '61 and this is now.... demographic equivalent, perhaps, but where we started was with the black folk being cops, not civilians.

I lived in Brooklyn in '61. The cops were predominantly white Irish and Italian, with a smattering of Jews and Poles.

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No word on where to get a text massage?
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:29 am

He seems nice: Swedish Nazi arrested for planned murder of journalists

I've heard, OTOH, that the media are full of disgusting people, the worst people, reporters who lie and who are enemies of the people. Right?
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Balmoral95 wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
I predict a beatdown of epic proportions.


Highly unlikely.


What would happen if the KKK walked through Harlem in 1961?

This is the rough demographic equivalent.

Im just hopeful. Hope is not dead.



Except that was '61 and this is now.... demographic equivalent, perhaps, but where we started was with the black folk being cops, not civilians.

I lived in Brooklyn in '61. The cops were predominantly white Irish and Italian, with a smattering of Jews and Poles.


What I meant was that you have a large gang of white supremacists faced off against an even larger group of angry black people, who in this case are armed with guns and clubs.

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:53 pm

I found this piece to be immensely effective in its simplicity, hard hitting in its righteous indignation, and refreshing overall - Stephen Miller's uncle telling the quintessentially American story of the Miller (Glosser) family and relating the Trump administration's nativist immigration policies to the family's history: "Stephen Miller Is an Immigration Hypocrite. I Know Because I’m His Uncle. If my nephew’s ideas on immigration had been in force a century ago, our family would have been wiped out." (in this thread for the nativist angle and I don't know where else to effing put the link!)
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:35 pm

Powerful story. I saw that this morning but didn’t get a chance to read it.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:33 pm

What happened in Sweden last night

(video here)

(I am headed to Sweden this week, in fact to one of the cities where these burnings occurred. In recent weeks the far-right Sweden Democrats have lost a point or so in the polls and the Social Democrats have regained support. Before last night’s “partying.” In a poll asking which party leader is most trusted, the leaders of the right-wing Moderaterna and of the Left, which won 5% of the vote in 2014 but is now polling at about twice that, came in first and second respectively, Stefan Löfven of the Social Democrats was third and Jamie Åkesson of the Sweden Democrats mustered only fifth.)
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:09 am

‘I have not left anybody in the dark about the fact that this time, millions of adult men would not die, and hundreds of thousands of women and children would not be burnt or bombed to death in the cities, without the actual culprit, albeit by more humane means, having to pay for his guilt.’
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