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Re: Whitefish neo-nazi march

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:12 pm

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This situation is unprecedented. We have a majority black (and presumably Democrat) police force, awnsering to mostly black supervisors, awnsering to a Black mayor, who is beholden to a mostly Black city council, all facing off against White Supremacists who despise them.
Sounds like you're hoping for the cops to riot....
Kessler's permit for the United the Right 2 rally is for Lafayette Park and was granted by the US National Park Service (I believe that the permit request stated an expected crowd size of 100-400). Lafayette Park is under the jurisdiction of the Park Police which is a law enforcement agency of the US National Park Service, not DC Metro Police. That said, DC Metro Police have authority over the streets around Lafayette Park and have stated that their principal policing goal for today is to keep the alt-Reich rally and counter-demonstrators well apart from each other.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:16 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:Im hoping to see some WN {!#%@} get pummeled. I make no apologies.
Tactically not brilliant. And I do not want a police riot to occur either.
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Post by Jeff_36 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:45 pm

These ppl have {!#%@} America over and the western world by extention. I was sickened last year by what I saw. No more.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:44 pm

a bit of nostalgia for Jeff_36:

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:57 pm

Much ado about . . . a few {!#%@} & twerps

DC police, in riot gear, seal off Vienna station to protect Unite the Reich/alt-right protesters from from counter-demonstrators:
KESSLER GETTING ON TRAIN TO DC #UniteTheRight2 @WUSA9 - only media and his entourage are allowed on this train
Other reporters are saying that only sympathetic media are allowed on the Reich Railway . . .

Watching Reuters (and RT!) live feeds of the alt-Reichers arriving and exiting at Vienna station, where there is some pushing and shoving, police have formed a cordon to safeguard (so far, successfully) the assorted racists and WNs; the number of those arriving on the protected train is small, some MAGA hats, US flags, combat gear and face masks . . . some Nazi salutes . . . far more cops (they are not wearing body armor and military gear, btw) than racists as Kessler and a few social misfits and psych cases make their way through the streets to Lafayette Park . . . the police, in yellow vests and gloves, some on motorcycles, shove counter-demonstrators away to clear a path for the Unite the Right Volksgenossen . . . the police keep the protesters on the move with hostility and a degree of menace, btw by far most of the cops in the front row of the cordon are not black, although there are 4 black cops to the left of the cordon . . . among the law enforcement officers are members of the Secret Service . . .

The front line of those being steadily pushed back consists mostly of photographers; someone yells, "you {!#%@} piece of {!#%@}" and another guy seems to be taunting one of the black cops about his beard?!?!? The counter-demonstrators are being kept only about 20-30 feet from the alt-Reich group . . . close enough to trade shouted insults . . . the cops are walking forward decisively and quickly, pressing forward against the photographers and others, escorting the white nationalists. It seems, from Reuters' footage, that most counter-demonstrators have assembled elsewhere . . . whenever a photographer or counter-protester gets behind the police lines, the cops remove the person at once.

Kessler and rather few alt-right protesters have entered Lafayette Park . . . here you can see how few people turned out . . . Kessler, holding an American flag across his chest, is complaining to RT that many of "his people" were not on the train, as police hurried them, and says that he worries that some of his protesters will not be able to get into the park . . . but he also explains that he is "very happy with law enforcement" and the protection given for the alt-right protesters . . . almost no one is in the park where Kessler and a few others have arrived . . . whilst what appears to be a much larger crowd of counter-demonstrators - with vastly more people and far more spirited than Kessler's tiny assembly, several 1000s to maybe 30 tops - is in the streets around the park . . . the black bloc is all dressed up for street fighting and bashing "Nazis"; they have gathered at a nearby intersection . . . police seem to be ringing Lafayette Park, which looks to be nearly empty . . . Reuters is now focusing on Antifa, who seem to be setting off smoke bombs, whilst RT is helping Kessler get his message to their viewers . . .

Kessler, the isolated incel from Charlottesville, gives an unfocused and nearly incoherent speech - he comes across as rather dim and confused, but he at least got the re-branding message, if not the message to lay low and let Trump carry the torch, so, like speakers at last week's alt-Reich rally in Portland, he wonders why "those people over there" don't want dialogue and plays up free speech . . . as Kessler finishes up, he tries to figure out which speaker wishes to go next, no one is ready, so he selects a wackadoodle from New Orleans . . . waiting for said wackadoodle to find his way to the platform, Kessler engages in back and forth with a reporter on what happened in Charlottesville last year . . . the New Orleans wackadoodle turns out to be a self-proclaimed disbarred lawyer, he's greeted by a few handclaps, he apologizes in advance for his talk explaining that he's not used to speaking with a microphone . . . his thesis, insofar as he has one, seems to be that the lack of freedom in the US is nearly as extreme as the lack of freedom in North Korea - and that the US was freer in 1860 than it is today . . . because of "a very slow and very effective implementation of the Communist Manifesto" . . . the speaker, railing against the post-Civil War amendments, is competing, not too successfully, with loud chanting from some distance; the speaker is rattled by the chanting . . . a live feed picks up Antifas (I assume) discussing when "the Nazis are coming out" . . . Kessler's protest is really minuscule, even RT has cut away in the middle of the disbarred lawyer's rant: it appears that there are more groups (40) protesting the alt-Reich than there are individual WNs and white supremacists (maybe 30, hard to tell from the shots) in Lafayette Park . . . there's another speaker who focuses his remarks on support for "our president, over there, Donald Trump" . . .

. . . and it's over, it barely began . . . one might say that Unite the Right 2 "did not take place" . . . as rain falls, police hustle Kessler and the handful of other alt-right protesters into a couple of waiting white police vans . . . RT is on hand to capture this, the rally having broken up already . . . police move against some counter-demonstrators, pushing them away and knocking their flags and banners to the ground (were objects thrown?) . . . the police back off and square up across from a large crowd of black bloc protesters, who look like they want trouble . . . my guess is that the counter-protesters are not aware that the police have shepherded the WNs out of the area . . . whilst Reuters' feed focuses on the confusing situation at a large intersection, RT rides along inside one of the vans ferrying the alt-right people from the area . . . Kessler and company complain about their small turnout (!) and the racism of the counter-protesters who, they say, act like they own the Hispanics who rallied with the alt-Reich . . . the van stops and a police escort leads the alt-right group to a subway entrance . . . back near Lafayette Park, various groups of counter-protesters mill about, small contingents march off, chanting, dispersing, re-gathering in the rain . . . each of these small ad hoc marches is many times larger than the alt-right rally was . . . the police stand by . . . one man at the head of a march tells Reuters that "this is our victory march, we're here to celebrate, racists are not welcome here, this is our celebration" . . .

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"Surrounded by Thousands of Protesters, White Nationalists Sneak Out of Their Own D.C. Rally: Jason Kessler planned the Charlottesville hate march. Exactly one year later, he and a dozen supporters got run out of the nation’s capital."

"‘Unite the Right’ flops while the left triumphs"

"‘Unite the Right’ Rally: Low Attendance and an Early Exit by White Nationalists in D.C."

"Check Out These Emotional Photos and Videos of Anti-Racism Protesters Showing Up Against White Nationalists: More people are out in the streets to protest white supremacy than to defend it."

"A Couple Dozen Neo-Nazis Got The Red Carpet Treatment From DC Law Enforcement: American racists rode to their rally in a segregated train car and got a private entrance into the park next to the White House."
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Re: Whitefish neo-nazi march

Post by Aaron Richards » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:13 am

There's folks out there who claim Heather Heyer was hit by a car the driver slammed into, rather than by his car directly, and that she was in fact morbidly obese (something her only picture repeatedly shown on major news networks, a face-portrait, hides) which in turn led to complications that resulted in her death.

As for her killer, James Alex Fields Jr, considering his trial hasn't even begun yet ("innocent until guilty" yada yada...), we will have to wait to fully understand his motives, again there are people claiming he panicked in the narrow alley he drove his Dodge into, and there's footage of a bottle hitting the rear of his car before he accelerated.

Lots of confusion but as always major news channels paint a black and white picture and politicize this event into a white neo nazi terrorist attack, it is sickening that the death of a woman is being so heavily politicized from news stations to college campuses (while 66 people got shot in a weekend in Chicago, barely a mention on national tv), and to shine so much spotlight on the usual fringe right that have been sieg heiling each other for the past 50 years tells me the establishment is extremely afraid of something. I have to spend more time researching this topic rather than jumping to any conclusions.
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Aaron Richards wrote:There's folks out there who claim Heather Heyer was hit by a car the driver slammed into, rather than by his car directly, and that she was in fact morbidly obese (something her only picture repeatedly shown on major news networks, a face-portrait, hides) which in turn led to complications that resulted in her death. As for her killer, James Alex Fields Jr, considering his trial hasn't even begun yet, we will have to wait to fully understand his motives, again there are people claiming he panicked in the narrow alley he drove his Dodge into, and there's footage of a bottle hitting the rear of his car before he accelerated. Lots of confusion but as always major news channels paint a black and white picture and politicize this event into a white neo nazi terrorist attack, it is sickening that the death of a woman is being so heavily politicized from news stations to college campuses (while 66 people got shot in a weekend in Chicago, barely a mention on national tv), and to shine so much spotlight on the usual fringe right that have been sieg heiling each other for the past 50 years tells me the establishment is extremely afraid of something. I have to spend more time researching this topic rather than jumping to any conclusions.
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Re: Whitefish neo-nazi march

Post by Balmoral95 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:39 am

Aaron Richards wrote:There's folks out there who claim Heather Heyer was hit by a car the driver slammed into, rather than by his car directly, and that she was in fact morbidly obese (something her only picture repeatedly shown on major news networks, a face-portrait, hides) which in turn led to complications that resulted in her death.

As for her killer, James Alex Fields Jr, considering his trial hasn't even begun yet ("innocent until guilty" yada yada...), we will have to wait to fully understand his motives, again there are people claiming he panicked in the narrow alley he drove his Dodge into, and there's footage of a bottle hitting the rear of his car before he accelerated.

Lots of confusion but as always major news channels paint a black and white picture and politicize this event into a white neo nazi terrorist attack, it is sickening that the death of a woman is being so heavily politicized from news stations to college campuses (while 66 people got shot in a weekend in Chicago, barely a mention on national tv), and to shine so much spotlight on the usual fringe right that have been sieg heiling each other for the past 50 years tells me the establishment is extremely afraid of something. I have to spend more time researching this topic rather than jumping to any conclusions.
So fat people getting hit by a moving vehicle are more likely to have morbid complications than thin folks? Do tell..

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:29 am

Aaron Richards wrote:... to shine so much spotlight on the usual fringe right that have been sieg heiling each other for the past 50 years tells me the establishment is extremely afraid of something. I have to spend more time researching this topic rather than jumping to any conclusions.
I think for us, or SPLC, this activity is part of our special topic, and we should spend time on such activity, OTOH for the media it is not out of fear that they go all in but spectacle they are after. NPR gave Kessler, who apparently speaks for 20-30 misfits and cranks, 7 full minutes of interview time this week. The coverage seems to be seeking violence and a good drama: only the media (and Jeff_36) were likely more disappointed than Kessler and the Antifas that DC didn't devolve into a riot.

Far preferable to the counter protesters punching some Nutzis' lights out, as Jeff_36 advocated, was the mostly peaceful and upbeat counter demo outnumbering the alt-Reich something like 125:1 - that's pretty effective in making the wannabes look like the handful of idiots they are. IMO even better would have been no street-fighting gear, masks, and tough-guy posturing among the anti-fascists and anti-racists . . .

OTOH the fash no-shows have a better strategy, for their purposes, than does Kessler: like Anglin they are reviewing their attachment to Weimar street fighting tactics and seem to have come to the realization that laying low will help The God Emperor's re-election chances and that WN is in fact "going mainstream," so they need to adjust.

Kessler comes across as so dumb that he may have needed his police escort to find Lafayette Park. I can't see how, after Charlottesville and then the sectarian infighting ("Unite the Right"! ha!) and other {!#%@} of the past year, and now yesterday's silly debacle that Kessler has much of a "career" in racism left.

re: Chicago: when the national media covers the violence on the west and south sides (that said, one of this weekend's shootings was less than a mile from my house, on the far north side), it quickly becomes politicized, in part thanks to the Dotard, whose "saving" of Chicago promised during the campaign amounted to sending in a task force of 20 federal officers planned for already during the previous administration and, mostly, to fulminate about law and order from time to time.

re: Heather Heyer - they do clutch at straws, "fat" photos purporting to be her half-unclothed body on a stretcher (example at Unz Review; also a different angle at Occidental Dissent - not linking to them) are out there on the Web - from Unz, whose story is entitled "The Fat Heather Heyer Hoax": "I want you to focus on the disgusting slob that was Heather Heyer, for her death at the hands of morbid obesity and general unhealthiness formed the casus belli for the Judeo-Bolshevik total war against our rights to free speech and free expression." The car - and its driver - having nothing, in this view, to do with it (https://heavy.com/news/2018/08/heather- ... -of-death/). The conceits and language these people use is revealing of their attitudes and mentality, not helpful to understanding what happened in Charlottesville last year.

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I'm just saying the media helps WNs more than harming them; it helps them grow. If you shine the spotlight on a fringe movement consisting of some 30 to 50 cranks showing up in some small city, in a nation of 330 million people, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for getting hundreds of thousands of people nationwide talking about them, and given how free speech is ingrained into the American psyche and Zeitgeist as some kind of holy relic, you will potentially get some 25% of them to subconsciously take the side of the WNs simply on the principle of a minority being harrassed and told to shut up by an oppressive majority, the whole "I do not agree with what you have to say but will die defending your rights to say it" shtick. And it's a slippery slope from there, curiosity might get the better of some of em and they might try looking up the beliefs of these people, it might reinforce their already underlying prejudices and a few years later they're on the other side. Youtube channels like Jordan Petersen, Sargon, StyxH, Lauren Southern, RedIce and increasingly more extreme ones will then become their new pundits.

The best thing to do would have been to dedicate maybe 15 minutes to this group in some kind of "other news" or "local news" segment, and then stick to the big issues the nation is facing like the trade war with China, the much larger protests in Romania, Brexit problems, the Lira crashing etc.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:52 pm

Aaron Richards wrote:I'm just saying the media helps WNs more than harming them; it helps them grow. If you shine the spotlight on a fringe movement consisting of some 30 to 50 cranks showing up in some small city, in a nation of 330 million people, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for getting hundreds of thousands of people nationwide talking about them, and given how free speech is ingrained into the American psyche and Zeitgeist as some kind of holy relic, you will potentially get some 25% of them to subconsciously take the side of the WNs simply on the principle of a minority being harrassed and told to shut up by an oppressive majority, the whole "I do not agree with what you have to say but will die defending your rights to say it" shtick.
I fully agree with this. We may be saying the same thing, in slightly different ways. I think that the media coverage of Unite the Reich has been irresponsible, and that overall it has helped the WNs grow, but not because the media favor WN, or from their fear it, more because they want viewers, clickers, etc - and sensationalism is thus given full rein. It's a dramatic story, they can play around with heroes and villains, they can capture interest with the drama and the characters. In that vein, a good little riot becomes exploitable, as does Heather Heyer's death. The Nutzis see the media "creating a martyr," I see them profiting off tragedy, analogously to Les Moonves when he said that Trump was good for ratings.

And, I agree, the media, despite whining from the Nutzis, has not harmed them. The implosion of many alt-right groupuscles, and the tendency's struggles as an organized fringe, this past year has been more due to their internal sectarianism and general incompetence. When Heimbach {!#%@} his wife's stepmother and got into fisticuffs with her husband and choked his wife, he kind of spoke for the movement.
Aaron Richards wrote:The best thing to do would have been to dedicate maybe 15 minutes to this group in some kind of "other news" or "local news" segment
There were some decent, longer articles - thought pieces - which I linked to above, a spate of them arguing that WN fringe groups have struggled since Charlottesville but WN sentiment, channeled via the Republican party and presidency, is growing. Not the sort of reading that the average CNN skimmer or NBC viewer or headlines scanner would dig into. I am not sure why Jason Kessler should get even his 15 minutes of fame. Last year's events in Charlottesville were news-worthy, this year's "rally," not so much.

I do see why we or SPLC or the ADL track this {!#%@}. Which is different to the general coverage it gets.
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I would like to add that media coverage of the increasingly deranged antics and nonsensical opinions of the one-man horror show that is Rudy Giuliani is also problematic. Just sayin'.
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Surely for him and his...charge. The confessions and contradictions paint a pretty sad picture. On top of the visual one...
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:I would like to add that media coverage of the increasingly deranged antics and nonsensical opinions of the one-man horror show that is Rudy Giuliani is also problematic. Just sayin'.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:51 pm

We used to, back in the day, call them "the crazies," as they would show up at largely peaceful if vociferous protests and look for cops to fight, windows to smash, cars to flip over, and so on:

Antifa protesters couldn’t find any fascists at Unite the Right — and harassed the press instead
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Yeah, that helps. The Antifa need to go away.
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The Antifa that assaulted members of the press need to be charged.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:28 pm

Well, ya see, the press are objectively Nazis 'cuz they don't punch the Nazis, ya know, it takes a bullet to bash a fascist, and the press doesn't take sides, they take pictures, they are part of the fascist power structure of Amerikkka, so, uh, punch a reporter, right?

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They be listening to Alex Jones on off Twitter, eh.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:05 am

Boston “free speech” protest and counter-protest. The “free speech” theme - “We’re trying to have a civil discourse. It’s these people who are trying to shut us down.” - was also highlighted in the Patriot Prayer-Proud Boys demonstration in Portland two weeks ago and at Jason Kessler's pathetic gathering in DC last week.
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Post by Jeff_36 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:58 am

Aaron Richards wrote:There's folks out there who claim Heather Heyer was hit by a car the driver slammed into, rather than by his car directly, and that she was in fact morbidly obese (something her only picture repeatedly shown on major news networks, a face-portrait, hides) which in turn led to complications that resulted in her death.

As for her killer, James Alex Fields Jr, considering his trial hasn't even begun yet ("innocent until guilty" yada yada...), we will have to wait to fully understand his motives, again there are people claiming he panicked in the narrow alley he drove his Dodge into, and there's footage of a bottle hitting the rear of his car before he accelerated.

Lots of confusion but as always major news channels paint a black and white picture and politicize this event into a white neo nazi terrorist attack, it is sickening that the death of a woman is being so heavily politicized from news stations to college campuses (while 66 people got shot in a weekend in Chicago, barely a mention on national tv), and to shine so much spotlight on the usual fringe right that have been sieg heiling each other for the past 50 years tells me the establishment is extremely afraid of something. I have to spend more time researching this topic rather than jumping to any conclusions.
I am to bleary-eyed to fisk so I'll select the lazy alternative.

1. She was heavyset. It is clear from the vice video. However "morbidly obese" is an exaggeration. If she were morbidly obese the mere physical activity of walking down the street would have been too much for her.

2. If he had driven a short distance, stopped, and reversed, I could see panic as a cause. But he didn't. He plowed the car into a crowd of people, and kept driving for several seconds while folks were sent flying in every direction. IIRC he was a fair distance away when he began driving.

3. Chicago needs proactive policing, IMO ( I am observing from a distance). Toronto is seeing the same phenomenon right now after the police department (which is led by a black man) was deprived of it's ability to "card" people for reasons I'm not clear on. Murders have shot up. This isn't relevant however.

4. Her autopsy described cause of death as being from "blunt force trauma to the chest". I reckon broken ribs and internal bleeding did it. Not her weight.

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4. Her autopsy described cause of death as being from "blunt force trauma to the chest". I reckon broken ribs and internal bleeding did it. Not her weight.
Or:

http://www.aast.org/blunt-cardiac-injury

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Jeff_36 wrote:
Aaron Richards wrote:There's folks out there who claim Heather Heyer was hit by a car the driver slammed into, rather than by his car directly, and that she was in fact morbidly obese (something her only picture repeatedly shown on major news networks, a face-portrait, hides) which in turn led to complications that resulted in her death.

As for her killer, James Alex Fields Jr, considering his trial hasn't even begun yet ("innocent until guilty" yada yada...), we will have to wait to fully understand his motives, again there are people claiming he panicked in the narrow alley he drove his Dodge into, and there's footage of a bottle hitting the rear of his car before he accelerated.

Lots of confusion but as always major news channels paint a black and white picture and politicize this event into a white neo nazi terrorist attack, it is sickening that the death of a woman is being so heavily politicized from news stations to college campuses (while 66 people got shot in a weekend in Chicago, barely a mention on national tv), and to shine so much spotlight on the usual fringe right that have been sieg heiling each other for the past 50 years tells me the establishment is extremely afraid of something. I have to spend more time researching this topic rather than jumping to any conclusions.
I am to bleary-eyed to fisk so I'll select the lazy alternative.

1. She was heavyset. It is clear from the vice video. However "morbidly obese" is an exaggeration. If she were morbidly obese the mere physical activity of walking down the street would have been too much for her.

2. If he had driven a short distance, stopped, and reversed, I could see panic as a cause. But he didn't. He plowed the car into a crowd of people, and kept driving for several seconds while folks were sent flying in every direction. IIRC he was a fair distance away when he began driving.
From the video I'd seen he was. And it would appear he had no clue/visual about the crawling/stopped cars in that crowd and he might have wanted to just go "people bowling", mow them down and disappear out the other end into the sunset.
Aaron Richards wrote:...there are people claiming he panicked in the narrow alley he drove his Dodge into, and there's footage of a bottle hitting the rear of his car before he accelerated...
People jumped his car after it had hit others/them and then come to the forced stop. That's when he backed out like crazy and mowed down those that were still getting back to their feet behind him...
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:50 pm

Saxony Polizei like US counterparts, to some extent operating in what Mann calls a caged group: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... man-police
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Much ado about . . . a few {!#%@} & twerps

DC police, in riot gear, seal off Vienna station to protect Unite the Reich/alt-right protesters from from counter-demonstrators:
From from you too mr. typo.
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Sure, better this than this.
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montgomery wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:Much ado about . . . a few {!#%@} & twerps

DC police, in riot gear, seal off Vienna station to protect Unite the Reich/alt-right protesters from from counter-demonstrators:
From from you too mr. typo.
Coming from the guy who cannot even quote properly...
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I do mistype a lot, for sure. I try to fix 'em, but often introduce still more typos in doing so!
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Surprise, surprise, Miller seems to be staffing DHS (and other departments?) with his WN cronies.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:I do mistype a lot, for sure. I try to fix 'em, but often introduce still more typos in doing so!
Had you not brought up the subject of typos, it would have never been mentioned by me. Can we leave it now and get back to something more 'on topic'?
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scrmbldggs wrote:Surprise, surprise, Miller seems to be staffing DHS (and other departments?) with his WN cronies.
Extreme right, neo-Nazism is much bigger in America than imagined at first glance. Holocaust denial will likely soon become part ot their schtick. Trump has already come as close as he dares to support of neo-Nazi violence.

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montgomery wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:Surprise, surprise, Miller seems to be staffing DHS (and other departments?) with his WN cronies.
Extreme right, neo-Nazism is much bigger in America than imagined at first glance. Holocaust denial will likely soon become part ot their schtick. Trump has already come as close as he dares to support of neo-Nazi violence.
Some time ago we discussed Holocaust denial as part of the new generation. It’s different than what the rest of us is used to, it’s unsophisticated and based more around memes and what I think of as “sound bites.”

It’s stuff like this:
https://mobile.twitter.com/mikeyor00989 ... 6093316096

Any educated denier like Carlo Mattogno would grimace seeing something like that but that’s what it’s come to.
A joke going around Moscow during The Great Terror:

The NKVD knocks on a door.
The inhabitants ask who it is.
“NKVD.”
“You’ve got the wrong apartment. The Communists are upstairs.”

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montgomery wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:I do mistype a lot, for sure. I try to fix 'em, but often introduce still more typos in doing so!
Had you not brought up the subject of typos, it would have never been mentioned by me. Can we leave it now and get back to something more 'on topic'?
No.
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Whaddayaknow, with all that griping, it's monty's first real topic now. :lol:
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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
montgomery wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:Surprise, surprise, Miller seems to be staffing DHS (and other departments?) with his WN cronies.
Extreme right, neo-Nazism is much bigger in America than imagined at first glance. Holocaust denial will likely soon become part ot their schtick. Trump has already come as close as he dares to support of neo-Nazi violence.
Some time ago we discussed Holocaust denial as part of the new generation. It’s different than what the rest of us is used to, it’s unsophisticated and based more around memes and what I think of as “sound bites.”

It’s stuff like this:
https://mobile.twitter.com/mikeyor00989 ... 6093316096

Any educated denier like Carlo Mattogno would grimace seeing something like that but that’s what it’s come to.
What I've seen recently is that some of the activists in this crowd - examples: Eric Hunt, before him, er, Mark Weber - have dropped HD as an encumbrance to WN, anti-Semitic agendas, etc, rather than HD figuring increasingly in their strategies. Perhaps that is among those who have tried to work it through rather than to spend their time spamming memes and baiting Jews?
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:58 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
montgomery wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:Surprise, surprise, Miller seems to be staffing DHS (and other departments?) with his WN cronies.
Extreme right, neo-Nazism is much bigger in America than imagined at first glance. Holocaust denial will likely soon become part ot their schtick. Trump has already come as close as he dares to support of neo-Nazi violence.
Some time ago we discussed Holocaust denial as part of the new generation. It’s different than what the rest of us is used to, it’s unsophisticated and based more around memes and what I think of as “sound bites.”

It’s stuff like this:
https://mobile.twitter.com/mikeyor00989 ... 6093316096

Any educated denier like Carlo Mattogno would grimace seeing something like that but that’s what it’s come to.
What I've seen recently is that some of the activists in this crowd - examples: Eric Hunt, before him, er, Mark Weber - have dropped HD as an encumbrance to WN, anti-Semitic agendas, etc, rather than HD figuring increasingly in their strategies. Perhaps that is among those who have tried to work it through rather than to spend their time spamming memes and baiting Jews?
Yes, I believe so. Eric Hunt crashed and burned on it when it finally dawned on him no one had answers to his question, what happened to the Jews sent to Auschwitz and the ARC camps. That fell apart on him just like Cole and Irving.
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“NKVD.”
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