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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:05 pm

HuffPo on the Daily Stormer style guide: hooray to lulz, but "This is obviously a ploy and I actually do want to gas kikes. But that’s neither here nor there."
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"We should always claim that we are winning, and should celebrate any wins with extreme exaggeration.

This does not mean we downplay the enemy, just that we play up ourselves. We overestimate our influence."


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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:52 am

I wasn’t sure where to post this so I thought it might belong here:

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/13/543259499/a-reformed-white-nationalist-speaks-out-on-charlottesville

Watched an interview with him on 60 Minutes, some info here:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/finding-forgiveness-for-a-racist/

Nice to see it is possible.
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Post by Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:55 pm

Interesting stuff which I didn't know, by an Israeli-Swedish-a little Greek writer, who seems he knows his subject well.

- How Sweden became a thriving base of neo-Nazi ideology, Haaretz, 28/12/2017
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/euro ... m-1.831763

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:47 pm

darn, paywall . . . interesting topic, for me for sure . . .
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Post by Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:04 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:darn, paywall . . . interesting topic, for me for sure . . .


Oh, I'm sorry, it wasn't 'paywalled' yesterday, when I saw it. But you do know the little secret for paywalls, isn't it?

https://archive.is/HzjW6

:D

I showed it the other day, either we press the 'archive.is' button which we've put on our toolbar, or try to look up the specific article we want in the archive.is database.

Btw, more, here:
https://newstral.com/en/article/en/1083 ... i-ideology

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Re: Whitefish neo-nazi march

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:51 pm

Andrew Anglin's attorney Marc Randazza is making this argument against charges that trolls he'd instigated harassed Tanya Gersh with Holocaust-related threats (“Ratfaced criminals who play with fire tend to get thrown in the oven”; “Day of the rope* soon for your entire family”; “Six million are only the beginning”; an image of Gersh and her son superimposed onto the Auschwitz main gate; etc):
If Defendant [Anglin] is to be deemed responsible for the speech of third parties, that speech must be viewed through Defendant’s mindset. In that mindset, there are no gas chambers; there are no ovens; there are no mass killings of Jews. To the speaker, these are fictional metaphors, a "threat" as true as a Star Wars fanatic sending Death Star-blowing-up-Vulcan imagery to a Star Trek fan. It may be hateful, but it is no true threat.



* I noticed when I checked Jeffk's reference to Rodoh that even Scott Smith is ranting about "the day of the rope" these days; that place is worse than ever IMO, now it's not just Fish spewing threatening and borderline rhetoric but even board-master Smith.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:37 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
* I noticed when I checked Jeffk's reference to Rodoh that even Scott Smith is ranting about "the day of the rope" these days; that place is worse than ever IMO, now it's not just Fish spewing threatening and borderline rhetoric but even board-master Smith.


See it a lot these days. Who knew “The Turner Diaries” would have such traction?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/how-the-turner-diaries-changed-white-nationalism/500039/
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:57 pm

Toxic.
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Post by Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:40 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Andrew Anglin's attorney Marc Randazza is making this argument against charges that trolls he'd instigated harassed Tanya Gersh with Holocaust-related threats (“Ratfaced criminals who play with fire tend to get thrown in the oven”; “Day of the rope* soon for your entire family”; “Six million are only the beginning”; an image of Gersh and her son superimposed onto the Auschwitz main gate; etc):
If Defendant [Anglin] is to be deemed responsible for the speech of third parties, that speech must be viewed through Defendant’s mindset. In that mindset, there are no gas chambers; there are no ovens; there are no mass killings of Jews. To the speaker, these are fictional metaphors, a "threat" as true as a Star Wars fanatic sending Death Star-blowing-up-Vulcan imagery to a Star Trek fan. It may be hateful, but it is no true threat.



This 'StarWars/StarTrek/Holocaust parallel' thing is not the only paranoia 'argument' of Anglin. I've read some parts of his memorandum and there are also other crazy things as well. He thinks he can troll the judges with stuff like that, the same way he trolls people on the internet. He reaches high levels of arrogance and sometime he'll pay the price for it.

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Post by Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:59 am

I have a special interest in him, because I was the first to report that he came in Greece, working with Golden Dawn.

Foreign guests for the neoNazi Golden Dawn: Andrew Anglin and 'GD's Goebbels' George Mastoras (Misiakas) are making jokes on Jews: "This synagogue will be a nice public restroom"
https://goo.gl/2RxkMY

AP report reads:
- Neo-Nazi publisher won't reveal whereabouts, citing threats, 18/01/2018
https://apnews.com/ec8abbdf4c26434f9bf2df0b33f187f8

«Anglin’s sworn statement, which includes photos of stamps on his passport, says he left Ohio and the U.S. “for the last time” in July 2013 and hasn’t returned since. It says he moved to Greece in 2013 and worked as a tour guide for a youth hostel in Athens before he moved to Cambodia in April, living at a hotel in Siem Reap, a resort town.»

When he was in Athens, summer of 2013:
http://archive.is/wzSuN

He took and posted too many pictures:
https://imgur.com/a/zKaub

He was in this GD rally, September 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3W19gORQfE

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:getting out

Thanks but your avatar looks rather warm.... :D
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:38 pm

LOL Crocus Behemoth during the glory years

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What's their point anymore? What are they fighting for? Simple hatred for no purpose at all?
Even Hitler failed to wipe out other races and create a pure super-race.
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landrew wrote:What's their point anymore? What are they fighting for? Simple hatred for no purpose at all?
Even Hitler failed to wipe out other races and create a pure super-race.
They want to turn the clock back to the good old days when it was OK to lynch black people, women knew their place and Jews kept to the ghetto if they knew what was good for them.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:48 am

The Republican party's little Nazi problem: in addition to former Nazi/HDer Arthur Jones, who is running for the House in IL-3, and Paul Nehlen, who will run in the Republican primary for Paul Ryan's old seat in WI-1, the Republicans have this guy in California - "Holocaust Denier in California Congressional Race Leaves State G.O.P. Scrambling". No worries, though, this anti-Semite, John Fitzgerald, has countered, "I have friends that are Jewish."

(In Illinois, the buffoonish Republican governor had this week to walk back his advice to Republicans not to vote for the Democrat - right-winger Dan Lipinski - over the Nazi Jones.)
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No worries, though, this anti-Semite, John Fitzgerald, has countered, "I have friends that are Jewish."

Must be a golfing buddy of "Gene Alley" :lol:

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LOL

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But if you think that I'll let Barry Goldwater
Move in next door and marry my daughter
You must think I'm crazy!
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Gene Alley is a blast from the past.

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
landrew wrote:What's their point anymore? What are they fighting for? Simple hatred for no purpose at all?
Even Hitler failed to wipe out other races and create a pure super-race.
They want to turn the clock back to the good old days when it was OK to lynch black people, women knew their place and Jews kept to the ghetto if they knew what was good for them.
Getting even:
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:04 pm

fascinating piece on internal debates among racist pigs over tactics and presentation: https://www.vox.com/2018/8/10/17670996/ ... ottesville
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:fascinating piece on internal debates among racist pigs over tactics and presentation: https://www.vox.com/2018/8/10/17670996/ ... ottesville
In a simple twist of fate it's fascinating to watch packs of boneheads finally realize they might have to adjust their public persona so as not to be perceived for their boneheadism.... kinda like watching a bad case of fleas finally figure out why a dog scratches.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:45 pm

Getting this in the appropriate thread:
Jeff_36 wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:Police are police are police.
I don't knock them, generally speaking. It's a murderously difficult job (my old man did it for 31 years, I saw how hard it was on him as I grew up) and the issues in Portland seemed to stem more from poor tactics than from out-and-out coordinated, planned cooperation.

DC will be very different because almost every cop there will be black, and therefore would be excited at the opportunity to play whack-a-mole with dumb Nazis. That is the key factor here. I bet most of the boys in blue have the date circled on their calendars by now. I plan on watching it live with chips and guac.
The US police are generally not even-handed, not even close from what I saw in Portland, which fits with my experience; cops often target the left, reserving harder tactics for the left. In Portland my takeaway was that they coordinated with the far right, or at least chilled with their folks. Reminiscent of Weimar actually. Just as anti-terrorism efforts by the state security forces have targeted Muslims in recent years. In the US they have nearly ignored threats from the right, from nationalists, from right-wing militias, from violent anti-abortion groups, from survivalists, 'cuz cops lean right. Police forces tend to be ex-military, tough guys who enjoy the paramilitary cosplay as much as any red-blooded street fighting' neo-Nazi. Visit Chicago sometime. Go to the west or south side. Watch. Or even to an event along with lakefront. Or better yet read a Chicago cop online forum. Yikes!

From TPM:
Lisa Woolfork, a University of Virginia professor and Black Lives Matter Charlottesville organizer, said police are mounting a “huge, overwhelming show of force to compensate for last year’s inaction.”

“Last year, I was afraid of the Nazis. This year, I’m afraid of the police,” Woolfork said. “This is not making anyone that I know feel safe.”
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Post by Jeff_36 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:54 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote: Police forces tend to be ex-military, tough guys who enjoy the paramilitary cosplay as much as any red-blooded street fighting' neo-Nazi. Visit Chicago sometime. Go to the west or south side. Watch.
Ok so three things

1. I know cops. My father and uncle were cops, all of my fathers freinds were cops, and one of my cousins is a cop. They are basically normal people, and are broadly representitive of society as a whole. What you say may be true in Russia or Saudi Arabia, but not in a civilized democratic state. The mentality was summed up to me once as "I'm not looking for a fight, but if he wants to fight, I aint running away." I happen to think the courts/media are far too tough on police and it hurts me.

2. The key varible here is that the DC police are overwhelmingly African-American, and will be natually unsympathetic to a gaggle of skinheads chanting the N-word over and over.

3. The primary news coming out of the south and east sides of Chicago (at least up here) relates to out-of-control gang violence. It is widely assumed that the city needs more police, not less.

4. None of this is to say that there arent issues, but these relate (usually) to incompitance rather than willful douchbaggery. The thing in Minniapolis for example - {!#%@} space cadet! I think manditory IQ tests would be a good idea. 90 would be a good cutoff.
Last year, I was afraid of the Nazis. This year, I’m afraid of the police,” Woolfork said. “This is not making anyone that I know feel safe.”
If you fear the police I assume that you have something to hide. What has Lisa done I wonder? ;)

I think we can agree that some battered CODOHers would be a good thing. I am cautiously optimistic.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:08 pm

BS. As for Chicago, I know Chicago, I live here, etc. I also know cops, I have been arrested by them, I've seen them beat the {!#%@} out of people, etc.

Leaving aside anecdotal experiences . . .

. . . the situation on the south and west sides of Chicago is not reducible to "need more cops." A more instructive conclusion might be "need better policing," another might be "need better community-police relationships." Or "need standards to be applied equally." Or "don't need Laquan McDonald cases." Or "need cops to solve some of the crimes." I truly dare you to read Chicago police discussion boards. Or to ask a Chicago cop on a bike for directions along the lakeshore. Especially when black.

The idea that fear of the cops has anything whatsoever to do with having something to hide is laughable. Here, in Chicago, where I live. Perhaps you've missed the news stories, from across the US, about the problems people encounter driving when black, walking when black, and so on. Stop and frisk is not exactly a trust builder. In addition to which, when a person is suspected of a crime, in a civilized society, we don't expect the police to take it out on him then and there.

If I were going to be in Washington DC to rally against racism this weekend, I would be as concerned about violence from the police directed against counter-protesters as about violence from the Unite the Right groups. As a mature, considered, objective, evidence-based assessment, like another such assessment, here:
Daryle Lamont Jenkins, the executive director of anti-racist organization One People's Project that has called on followers to respond to Sunday's rally, told The Hill that many counter-protestors are wary of the intense police presence. At a white nationalist rally in Portland last week, police officers were accused of using more force against peaceful counter-protestors than the far-right militants.

"I was in Portland last weekend," Jenkins said. "I think people really didn't think of the strong-arm tactics that police have at rallies, especially when it's starting to look like the police don't have any just cause to engage the way they are acting."

"We're afraid they will do it again this time," Jenkins said.
The situation in Chicago notwithstanding (we just disagree about it), by arguing that African American cops in DC will not protect speech rights of racists you're kind of proving a point different to the one you're trying to make. You're saying that cops are likely to work together to act outside the law. OTOH I haven't really seen black cops womping on gatherings of racists: in fact, in the Portland live feeds I watched there were African American cops going along with the weight of the action of their brethren and "sistren," and apparently following instructions, to assault the left-wing and liberal counter-protesters. Which isn't unusual in the US.
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2. The key varible here is that the DC police are overwhelmingly African-American, and will be natually unsympathetic to a gaggle of skinheads chanting the N-word over and over.
And just as likely they may be unsympathetic about antifas as they perceive them to be be a gaggle of unemployed, stinky, white layabouts spouting "communist" BS.

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Post by Jeff_36 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:52 pm

BS. As for Chicago, I know Chicago, I live here, etc. I also know cops, I have been arrested by them, I've seen them beat the {!#%@} out of people, etc.
Ahh the days when the CPD was Richard Daley's private security team. What a wild time. As years have passed one would think a more professional (and less patronage-based) environment has been fostered. God knows if it happened in Baltimore it could happen anywhere. I mean one would hope.
Or "don't need Laquan McDonald cases."
The guy was high on PCP and had been brandishing a knife. To be brutally honest they probably would have had to shoot him at some point but buddy was way too quick on the trigger. Im glad he got fired but 1st degree murder was a bit much. This is the type of stuff im talking about - misreading the situation and engaging in a premature fashion. Competance is the issue here, not murderous insanity.

A lot of the BLM cases are total BS. Alton Sterling was going for a gun. Some guy in florida was brandishing one. Eric Garner had a {!#%@} heart attack. Castile in MIN was a shame though - and the officer was fired. As he should have been.
OTOH I haven't really seen black cops womping on gatherings of racists
This situation is unprecedented. We have a majority black (and presumably Democrat) police force, awnsering to mostly black supervisors, awnsering to a Black mayor, who is beholden to a mostly Black city council, all facing off against White Supremacists who despise them. Nothing like Portland.

We are in uncharted territory - we have never seen this situation before. I hope the Hiembaches and Spencers of the world are scared shitless right now.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:14 am

Jeff_36 wrote:Ahh the days when the CPD was Richard Daley's private security team. What a wild time. As years have passed one would think a more professional (and less patronage-based) environment has been fostered. God knows if it happened in Baltimore it could happen anywhere. I mean one would hope.
Ok, so you aren't familiar with the Chicago police. Fair enough.
Jeff_36 wrote:The guy was high on PCP and had been brandishing a knife. To be brutally honest they probably would have had to shoot him at some point but buddy was way too quick on the trigger. Im glad he got fired but 1st degree murder was a bit much. This is the type of stuff im talking about - misreading the situation and engaging in a premature fashion. Competance is the issue here, not murderous insanity.
Ok, so you can't explain why the police falsified the original arrest reports. Or why Chicago settled out of court for IIRC $5m with the McDonald family. Also, unlike in Canada, in the US the penalty for being high on PCP isn't death; and we don't use the death penalty for assumptions that later someone might actually become a threat.
Jeff_36 wrote:A lot of the BLM cases are total BS.
I didn't mention BLM. I don't use that dog whistle.
Jeff_36 wrote:This situation is unprecedented. We have a majority black (and presumably Democrat) police force, awnsering to mostly black supervisors, awnsering to a Black mayor, who is beholden to a mostly Black city council, all facing off against White Supremacists who despise them. Nothing like Portland.
Where, to repeat, the police targeted the counter demonstrators. In the liberal city par excellence. Whose police chief, Danielle Outlaw (no {!#%@}), is an African American.
Jeff_36 wrote:We are in uncharted territory - we have never seen this situation before. I hope the Hiembaches and Spencers of the world are scared shitless right now.
Heimbach, AFAIK, is out of jail (not for domestic violence but for violating the terms of his parole) and seems to be out of commission (laying low) - I don't think he is supposed to be in DC this weekend. Spencer, after his "college tour" fizzled, has announced he's not attending ("I will not be participating in the Unite the Right 2 rally"). Even the Crying Nazi - self-outed as an FBI informant - is staying away. Baked Alaska is home with mommy and daddy. Andrew Anglin has called for his minions to stay away. But David Duke and Paul Nehlen might be speaking tomorrow, the whole thing is so shambolic that it's not clear. Most observers think that Kessler will not draw many marchers.
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This situation is unprecedented. We have a majority black (and presumably Democrat) police force, awnsering to mostly black supervisors, awnsering to a Black mayor, who is beholden to a mostly Black city council, all facing off against White Supremacists who despise them.
Sounds like you're hoping for the cops to riot....

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On shootings in Chicago: "Chicago's deadly summer: guns, gangs and the legacy of racial inequality", a decent article but "legacy" in the headline is a poor choice of word
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Post by Jeff_36 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:11 pm

Balmoral95 wrote:
This situation is unprecedented. We have a majority black (and presumably Democrat) police force, awnsering to mostly black supervisors, awnsering to a Black mayor, who is beholden to a mostly Black city council, all facing off against White Supremacists who despise them.
Sounds like you're hoping for the cops to riot....
Im hoping to see some WN {!#%@} get pummeled. I make no apologies.

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