FREEING THE WORLD TO DEATH by William Blum

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Post by Tom Palven » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:30 am

US troops aiding and abetting Saudi Arabian royalty:
http://news.antiwar.com/2017/08/04/us-t ... offensive/
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Post by Tom Palven » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:08 am

South Korean President Moon has said that S. Korea will veto a preemptive US strike on N. Korea:
http://news.antiwar.com/2017/08/15/sout ... rth-korea/

A question is whether a S. Korean veto would prevail

Recall that Dubya asked the UN for permission to attack Iraq and when it wasn't granted he unleashed Shock and Awe, anyway.
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Post by Tom Palven » Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:43 am

Happy Day are Here to Stay for the MIC:
http://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/20 ... o-nigeria/
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Post by Tom Palven » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:30 pm

News flash: The US is sending an additional 3,000 troops to Afghanistan to "help train Afghan security forces."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-afgha ... SKCN1C20RI
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Post by Tom Palven » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:20 am

Iraqi forces attack Kurds in Kirkuk:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/i ... 51177.html
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Post by Tom Palven » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:08 am

Yesterday a new US war was revealed:
http://news.antiwar.com/2017/10/23/sena ... -in-niger/
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Post by Tom Palven » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:06 am

Trump's new war same as the old war:
http://mondediplo.com/outsidein/trump-s ... fghanistan
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Post by Tom Palven » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:53 am

Nikki Haley, a cheerleader for war:
http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/20 ... -war-iran/
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Post by Tom Palven » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:17 pm

When is an attack not an attack?

When it is a "bloody nose attack," or at least there ae some who claim to believe that the North Koreans, Chinese, and Russians will accept this opinion:
http://news.antiwar.com/2017/12/20/repo ... rth-korea/
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Post by Tom Palven » Wed May 23, 2018 9:38 am

The link below contains fake news in he first paragraph:
https://news.antiwar.com/2018/05/22/aid ... adrs-bloc/

The US did in fact have something to do with Mookie al-Sadr.

First, General Petraeus tried to kill him by bombing his alleged whereabouts a couple of times, just as all emerging resistance leaders in the Mid-East are killed by helicopter or drone-fired rockets, and then Petraeus invited him in for a friendly chat, which Mookie refused.

So, it seems a little late to try to make nice with him.
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Post by Tom Palven » Sat May 26, 2018 12:59 pm

A picture being worth a thousand words:
https://www.rt.com/news/427852-north-korea-moon-jae/
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Post by Tom Palven » Mon May 28, 2018 12:12 pm

South Korean President Moons Bolton:
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archive ... ns-bolton/
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Post by Tom Palven » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:42 am

South Koreans vote to give peace a chance:
https://original.antiwar.com/Stu_Smallw ... elections/
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:12 am

Tom Palven wrote:South Koreans vote to give peace a chance:
You are an idiot.

The South Korean Democrat Party won the election because the previous President from the conservative Grand National Party (GNP) political party was impeached for embezzlement.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Impeachment of Park Geun-hye
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachme ... k_Geun-hye

You don't actually know where Korea is, do you? :lol:

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Post by Tom Palven » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:23 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:South Koreans vote to give peace a chance:
You are an idiot.
You don't actually know where Korea is, do you?
:lol:

I get the Korean peninsula confused with the Crimean peninsula, but at least I know that they are part of the Alaskan peninsula bordering the US territories of Iran, Yukon, and Syria and that Sarah Palin can see them from her kitchen window.

The North and South part of Korea have suspended war games\, but I don't know if the East and West have.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nort ... SKBN1JE2RM
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:18 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:You don't actually know where Korea is, do you? :lol:
Tom Palven wrote:I get the Korean peninsula confused with the Crimean peninsula,
I had already guessed that. :lol: :lol:

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Post by Tom Palven » Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:49 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:The Pentagon is apparently again trying to purchase a Gurkha-type army to do its fighting in the Mid-East:


It's more like the British private armies in India. You train one group and then train the next group if the first group get out of control. You then train a third group if the second or first group get out of control. When all groups are escalating, you sell them weapons.

Exactly.

And you can exacerbate situations by planting false flags, such as staging a phony chemical gas attack, which some Russians claim that the US is getting set to do now in Syria:
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/436783-us-syri ... ck-bolton/

https://news.antiwar.com/2018/08/27/rus ... ia-strike/
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:26 am

Tom Palven wrote:And you can exacerbate situations by planting false flags, such as staging a phony chemical gas attack, which some Russians claim that the US is getting set to do now in Syria:
Again, your idiocy and general ignorance is on display.

1) The USA does not have anyone in Idlib to do this.
2) The Russian claim was that the rebel White Helmets carried out the previous chlorine /sarin attack to force NATO to intervene, which the UK, France and USA did, through cruise missiles.
3) The White Helmets left Syria, for Jordan, through Israel in July 2018.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-24/s ... n/10028326

I have no opinion if the Syrian government or rebel white helmets were responsible for the chlorine or sarin attacks or if rebel stock piles were inadvertently hit by Russian missiles. I do know that poison gas does not work in rapid movement warfare and Syria is expecting to rapidly take Idlib.

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Post by Tom Palven » Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:08 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:And you can exacerbate situations by planting false flags, such as staging a phony chemical gas attack, which some Russians claim that the US is getting set to do now in Syria:
Again, your idiocy and general ignorance is on display.


Matt, perhaps you aren't familiar with the term "false flag."

This dialogue from The Princess Bride is self-explanatory:

Inigo: What is that you're ripping?
Vizzini: It's fabric from the uniform of an Army officer of Guilder.
Fezzik: Who's Guilder?
Vizzini: The country across the sea. The sworn enemy of Florin. [slaps the horse's rump] Go! Once the horse reaches the castle, the fabric will make the Prince suspect the Guilderians have abducted his love. When he finds her body dead on the Guilder frontier, his suspicions will be totally confirmed.
Fezzik: You never said anything about killing anyone.
Vizzini: I've hired you to help me start a war. It's a prestigious line of work with a long and glorious tradition.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Sep 01, 2018 1:46 am

Tom Palven wrote:Matt, perhaps you aren't familiar with the term "false flag."
I am very familiar with the activity known as a false flag. It is idiotic, Trump supporters, like youself who don't know what it means.

The anti-Syrian government factions in Idlib are about to be assaulted by the entire re-grouped and refitted Syrian army in a mobile assault. As Israel has closed the borders, after letting their Israeli allied factions escape, anyone remaining in Idlib will be at the mercy of the Syrian Army. This means, unlike Ghouta, and as there will be a fluid front, any use of sarin or chlorine will harm both the anti-government factions and the Syrian army.

I'd ask you to set out your "false flag" scenario, but you don't know where Idlib or Syria is and you can't actually name one of the factions in the Idlib pocket. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:16 am

Tom Palven wrote:This dialogue from The Princess Bride is self-explanatory
You are getting your "political information" from a 1987 PG rated fictional movie about Princess Buttercup?

You really are very stupid, aren't you?.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Wordbird » Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:01 am

Let's be fair, here. He's trying to say that the US often engages in false flag operations.

I'm sure it does and I don't support it.

But I don't think the answer is to turn America into Somalia, which is literally what libertarians want.

The things government does are sometimes bad, therefore have private security companies who work for specific people instead of police whose job is at least to serve all. That'll work wonders.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:25 am

Wordbird wrote:Let's be fair, here. He's trying to say that the US often engages in false flag operations.
Every country uses False Flags. However the USA isn't in Idlib in Syria.

The irony is that Tom Palven is claiming the USA faked the chlorine and Sarin attacks, in Syria which is Tom Palven giving a false flag to an activity by Syrian anti-government forces.

Tom Palven is doing exactly what he says is wrong to do........because he is a total idiot.
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Post by Tom Palven » Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:40 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:Every country uses False Flags.

The irony is that Tom Palven is claiming the USA faked the chlorine and Sarin attacks, in Syria which is Tom Palven giving a false flag to an activity by Syrian anti-government forces.
I'm confused by your statement and not sure what it is that you say that I am claiming, Matt.

What I am claimiing is that there might be merit in this AntiWar.com article:
https://news.antiwar.com/2018/08/27/rus ... ia-strike/
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Tom Palven wrote: I'm confused by your statement and not sure what it is that you say that I am claiming.
You knowingly lied and claimed that the USA would create a false flag chlorine attack in Idlib, according to the Russians. The Russians never said that, The Russians said it was the Syrian White helmets. Additionally, there are no Americans in Idlib. You lied on purpose to spread your false propaganda.
Tom Palven previously wrote: ....such as staging a phony chemical gas attack, which some Russians claim that the US is getting set to do now in Syria:
You complain about false propaganda while doing exactly that yourself. You are the same very scum, that you claim you hate. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Tom Palven » Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:38 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom Palven wrote: I'm confused by your statement and not sure what it is that you say that I am claiming.
You knowingly lied and claimed that the USA would create a false flag chlorine attack in Idlib, according to the Russians.


I claimed that the Antiwar.com article "might have merit."

As I've said before, the only claim that I make with absolute certainty is that you are a proud neoconservative John "Bombing is the Answer to All Problems" Bolton clone, and a hero in your own mind, but at least you are consistent.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:03 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:You knowingly lied and claimed that the USA would create a false flag chlorine attack in Idlib, according to the Russians.
Tom Palven wrote: I claimed that the Antiwar.com article "might have merit."
No. You are lying again. I have informed you three times that the Russians claimed it was the anti-Syrian government White Helmets who faked a chlorine attack. You continued to lie and post "fake news" that the Russians claimed it was the USA. :shock:

Why do you post so many lies Tom Palven, to support your false propaganda?
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Post by Tom Palven » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:53 am

Matthew Ellard wrote: You are lying again.
Please tell me Matt, is there any point at all on which you disagree with John "Let's Give War Another Chance" Bolton?

I am keen to know.
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Tom Palven wrote:Please tell me Matt, is there any point at all on which you disagree with John "Let's Give War Another Chance" Bolton?
1) He is an American. I am Australian (Australia isn't part of the USA Tom)
2) John Bolton is extreme right wing,like you, where as I am socialist Australian Labor Party.
3) John Bolton hates the UN. I support the UN (That's the "United Nations" Tom.
4) John Bolton is using tariffs as a weapon. Australia is a against all tariffs
5) John Bolton is pushing for a war with China. China is Australia's largest trading partner and good friend.

6) You are a total idiot.
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Post by Tom Palven » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:49 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:Please tell me Matt, is there any point at all on which you disagree with John "Let's Give War Another Chance" Bolton?
He is an American. I am Australian (Australia isn't part of the USA Tom)...
Thank you for answering my question, Matt.

You are against all tariffs, but do you and ASIS support restraint of trade/embargoes/economic sanctions on North Korea, Russia, Iran, and Turkey, as does John "Bombs Away" Bolton?

In addition to being an Australian, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
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Post by Lance Kennedy » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:30 pm

Wrong, Tom.

With Australians, the correct saying is : " IN spite of being an Australian, you are a gentleman and a scholar. "

(Just a little Trans Tasman rivalry.)

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:56 am

Tom Palven wrote:Thank you for answering my question, Matt.
I have answered this same question numerous times. However, as you are a coward and here only to spread propaganda, you never answer my question....

Describe your "Deep State" conspiracy, how it works and any evidence you have that it actually exists.
:lol: :lol:


Tom Palven wrote:You are against all tariffs
I have confirmed this numerous times. If you bothered to read a newspaper you would be aware that Australia and New Zealand are about to enter into a free trade agreement with the EC. Australia has free trade agreements with New Zealand, Chile, China, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Peru, Singapore, All Trans Pacific Partnership countries, the USA and soon the whole of the EC.

Tom Palven wrote:.....as does John "Bombs Away" Bolton?
John Bolton does not set the USA's free trade agreements, you complete idiot. Your hero, Trump does, You really don't know anything about your own country.

You really lie too much and are too stupid for this forum. You should go post on a Libertarian or pro-Trump forum.
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Matthew Ellard wrote: However, as you are a coward and here only to spread propaganda, you never answer my question....

Describe your "Deep State" conspiracy, how it works and any evidence you have that it actually exists. :lol: :lol:
I've stated over and over that I accept the Wikipedia definition of Deep State:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_within_a_state

I don't have proof that the US intelligence community steering committee constitutes a deep state, but I have provided lots of evidence over and over, which you ignore and then claim I never answer your question. A couple of pieces of evidence are:

1. Barack Obama was in favor of the Arab Spring democratization, but even as Commander-in-Chief he had no control over US CENTCOM overthrowing the newly elected democratic parliament in Egypt and funding its military dictator before, during, and after the coup.

2. Trump said that he had no control over the CIA refusing to hand over the remaining thousands of secret documents relating to the Kennedy murder. (Remember that I predicted that the CIA would never hand over those documents despite being mandated to do so by law?)

3. Your heroes Clapper and Brennan would still be lying their asses off before Congress if they hadn't been outed by people like Snowden, Manning, Greenwald, and Assange.
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Tom Palven wrote: I've stated over and over that I accept the Wikipedia definition of Deep State:
Tom Palven wrote: James Clapper is a member of the Deep State
Sometimes it is hard to put words to your ongoing stupidity. Wikipedia states it is a "conspiracy theory". It doesn't state it is real. :lol: :lol:

It secondly state that the conspiracy is about government workers and James Clapper, doesn't work for the government. You obviously don't believe the Wikipeadia defined conspiracy theory.
:lol: :lol:
Tom Palven wrote: I don't have proof that the US intelligence community steering committee constitutes a deep state.
That's right. You have no evidence that a non-existent conspiracy theory is real. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Go spread your pro-Trump Fox memes on another forum.
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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom Palven wrote: I've stated over and over that I accept the Wikipedia definition of Deep State:
Go spread your pro-Trump Fox memes on another forum.

Why don't you publish your views in Commentary Magazine, there doesn't seem to be anything in their brand of John Bolton neoconservatism that you disagree with. Can't you see that?
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/

Why not just admit it, for Christ's sake?
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:30 am

Hey Tom? You just directly said you follow the Wikipedia definition of the "Deep state". You also said James Clapper is a member.

Wikipeadia says is is a non-existent conspiracy theory. Wikipedia says the conspiracy concerns government employees James Clapper isn't a government employee.

Why do you lie so much?
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Post by Tom Palven » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:36 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:Hey Tom? You just directly said you follow the Wikipedia definition of the "Deep state".

Why don't you go share your war-mongering neoconservative John Bolton toady ideas with Soldier of Fortune magazine?
https://www.sofmag.com/
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:40 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:Go spread your pro-Trump Fox memes on another forum.
Tom Palven wrote:Why don't you go share your neoconservative warmongering ideas in Soldier of Fortune magazine?
I don't think that magazine accepts economics articles from socialist tax lawyers in Australia. However, I'm sure you can spam all your favourite Sean Hannity "Deep state" propaganda there. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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