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Post by Tom Palven » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:53 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:Go spread your pro-Trump Fox memes on another forum.
Tom Palven wrote:Why don't you go share your neoconservative warmongering ideas in Soldier of Fortune magazine?
I don't think that magazine accepts economics articles from socialist tax lawyers in Australia. However, I'm sure you can spam all your favourite Sean Hannity "Deep state" propaganda there. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Hey Matt, I told you where I went to college and you verified it. Care to tell us where you went to college and what economics courses you took?

You have any problem with that?
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:11 am

Tom Palven wrote:Hey Matt, I told you where I went to college and you verified it.
Yes. You are a right wing Park Ranger, who copies Fox propaganda onto our forum to support Donald Trump. You pretended you studied Adam Smith at your horticultural college, yet didn't know Adam Smith was an economist. Do you wan't to read those posts again? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Tom Palven wrote: Care to tell us where you went to college and what economics courses you took?
I didn't go to "college". I went to three universities.Sydney University, University of Technology Sydney and University of New South Wales.
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Post by Tom Palven » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:38 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:Hey Matt, I told you where I went to college and you verified it.
Yes. You are a right wing Park Ranger, who copies Fox propaganda onto our forum to support Donald Trump. You pretended you studied Adam Smith at your horticultural college, yet didn't know Adam Smith was an economist.

Trust me on this, Matt, Adam Smith was not an economist even though he is sometimes called the father of modern economics.

He was the chairman of the philosophy dept. at the University of Glasgow when he wondered why some countries were wealthier than others and published An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations, 1776. He considered his Theory of Moral Sentiments 1759, to be his more important work.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:01 pm

Tom Palven wrote: Trust me on this, Matt, Adam Smith was not an economist even though he is sometimes called the father of modern economics.


So Adam Smith, who is the father of modern economics, who used supply and demand curves to show efficiency at equilibrium, known as economics "invisible hand"......is not an economist, because you, a right wing, Park Ranger who watches Fox News, say so?

You're a bit retarded right?
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Post by Tom Palven » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:58 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom Palven wrote: Trust me on this, Matt, Adam Smith was not an economist even though he is sometimes called the father of modern economics.


So Adam Smith, who is the father of modern economics, who used supply and demand curves to show efficiency at equilibrium, known as economics "invisible hand"......is not an economist, because you, a right wing, Park Ranger who watches Fox News, say so?

You're a bit retarded right?


I’ve stated several times, Matt, that while I was briefly a park naturalist, I’ve never been employed as a park ranger, although I don’t see anything demeaning about either profession.

Why the pigeon-holing? Are all park rangers one-dimensional, unable to learn anything about economics or history, or to have classical liberal Adam Smith as a personal hero?

What is so awful about being a park ranger as opposed to being a lawyer? Is it impossible for a person who loves the wonders of nature to also appreciate the wonders of legalism, officiousness, and secret police?
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:47 pm

Tom Palven wrote: I’ve stated several times, Matt, that while I was briefly a park naturalist
On another forum you stated you studied Adam Smith for your "economics modules". Here you are on our forum denying Adam Smith is a economist and that you never studied economics.

If you haven't actually read Adam Smith's An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations how do you know it isn't about economics? What do you think Adam Smith's "invisible hand" in economics, from that book is?

Why do you lie so much
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Post by Tom Palven » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:25 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom Palven wrote: I’ve stated several times, Matt, that while I was briefly a park naturalist
On another forum you stated you studied Adam Smith for your "economics modules". Here you are on our forum denying Adam Smith is a economist and that you never studied economics.

If you haven't actually read Adam Smith's An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations how do you know it isn't about economics? What do you think Adam Smith's "invisible hand" in economics, from that book is?



All your usual fabrications, Matt.

I've stated that I took both macro and microeconomics courses at Cornell and have never denied that, and I continue to maintain that my classical liberal hero Adam Smith was a philosophy professor and not an economist.

I've also stated and never denied that I've read both of Smith's major works, A Theory of Moral Sentiments, and An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations."

And how about a link to where I said something about "economics modules." You might check out the contraindications on your meds, Matt. Seems you're getting increasingly delusional.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:38 am

Tom Palven previously on another forum wrote:I was disappointed the book,(The Theory of Moral Sentiments / Adam Smith 1759) finding it to be very outdated. Although it was not required reading in my economics courses at Cornell (The Wealth of Nations was
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Tom Palven wrote: I've stated that I took both macro and microeconomics courses at Cornell and have never denied that, and I continue to maintain that my classical liberal hero Adam Smith was a philosophy professor and not an economist.
You are lying again Tom. You actually clearly stated you had to read Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations for your economics course.

However I am very aware you never studied economics at forestry college. Adam Smith discusses non-interfering taxation economics in "Wealth of Nations" and his four economic principles are still used today. This is in the same chapter as his discussion of the "invisible hand" (supply & demand curve equilibrium at maximum efficiency). Yet you are unable to say, yourself what Adam Smith's "invisible hand" is in "Wealth of Nations" . You don't even know what a supply or demand curve is. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Describe Adam Smith's "invisible hand" using the same economics terms he does. You can't can you. You went to agricultural college.
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You haven't got a clue what Adam Smith's "invisible hand" is do you? [/color] :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:50 am

Tom Palven wrote: I was briefly a park naturalist


(Hint : Don't leave your CV up on Libertarian sites.......you know....where you state you are a horticulturist from Farmingdale, who has been working at Monmouth County Horticultural Consultancy for almost a decade. ) :D

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Post by Tom Palven » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:02 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom Palven previously on another forum wrote:I was disappointed the book,(The Theory of Moral Sentiments / Adam Smith 1759) finding it to be very outdated. Although it was not required reading in my economics courses at Cornell (The Wealth of Nations was
http://www.discussionworldforum.com/sho ... php?t=4854
Tom Palven wrote: I've stated that I took both macro and microeconomics courses at Cornell and have never denied that, and I continue to maintain that my classical liberal hero Adam Smith was a philosophy professor and not an economist.
You are lying again Tom. You actually clearly stated you had to read Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations for your economics course.
Same Sh-t, Same Day, too boring to refute again, Matt.

This is where I went to school in Ithaca, NY
http://www.cornell.edu/

I first majored in Wildlife Management until deciding that is an oxymoron, and then emphasized horticulture.

But surely you have more education credentials than I do.

You must at least have a PhD in Disinformation Propagatiion from your war academy.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:14 am

Tom Palven wrote:Same Sh-t, Same Day, too boring to refute again, Matt.

You should try to stop lying and stop contradicting yourself.

You first claimed Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, was a text book in your macro and micro economics courses at Cornell.

Simultaneously, you forgot what you wrote, and claimed Adam Smith was not an economist and his "invisible hand" from that book had nothing to do with economics. In fact, Adam Smith's "invisible hand" is the natural lowering of the equilibrium point in supply and demand curves by two competing firms. It is pure economics. You simply didn't know what the invisible hand is, as you never studied economics.

In fact, you studied horticulture at horticultural college and wrote that on your Libertarian CV on the internet.

What makes you a complete laughing stock, is your extreme right wing posts, demanding people follow Adam Smith's "invisible hand" when you don't have a clue what the "invisible hand" actually is.
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Post by Tom Palven » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:09 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:Same Sh-t, Same Day, too boring to refute again, Matt.

You should try to stop lying and stop contradicting yourself.

You first claimed Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, was a text book in your macro and micro economics courses at Cornell.

Simultaneously, you forgot what you wrote, and claimed Adam Smith was not an economist and his "invisible hand" from that book had nothing to do with economics. In fact, Adam Smith's "invisible hand" is the natural lowering of the equilibrium point in supply and demand curves by two competing firms. It is pure economics. You simply didn't know what the invisible hand is, as you never studied economics.

In fact, you studied horticulture at horticultural college and wrote that on your Libertarian CV on the internet.

What makes you a complete laughing stock, is your extreme right wing posts, demanding people follow Adam Smith's "invisible hand" when you don't have a clue what the "invisible hand" actually is.
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Okay Matt, just to recap your positions, if I may:

1. Farmers and park rangers are scum; lawyers and secret police are the salt of the earth.

2. Adam Smith was a conservative economist, not a classical liberal philosophy professor.

3. Adolph Hitler was not the leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party.

4. Edward Snowden and Julian Assange are evil and should be executed as traitors.

5. I did not graduate from Cornell University or take any economics courses while there.

6. John Bolton rocks.

7. Tom Palven is an idiot.

8. "As if controlled by an invisible hand" does not refer to the spontaneous order of a free market.

Does that about cover it?
I humbly disagree on all counts, but thank you in advance for any corrections, modifications, or additions.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:45 am

Tom Palven wrote: Okay Matt, just to recap your positions, if I may:
Sure Tom....let me help you...

Tom Palven doesn't know what Adam Smith's invisible hand in economics is at all as Tom never studied economics....at horticultural college. That's why Tom can't explain what the "invisible hand" is. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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