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All-time heat records being set all over the world

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:18 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2018/07/03/hot-planet-all-time-heat-records-have-been-set-all-over-the-world-in-last-week/

Interestingly, the map does show a cooler area off shore California and I can confirm the weather for summer has been "mild." I was gonna buy a window a/c and mount it in the Man Cave to keep the in room below 100F...but so far, those temps have not been reached. Outsie...yes...but my tin can is shaded quite nicely by two redwoods. Still thinking of using that a/c to make a "beer locker" for summer brewing...but I don't actually want to drink that much beer.

My every 20 years beer review to see if my taste buds have changed is going nicely. I find i'm being attracted to Lagers that have a creamy mouth feel and taste. Can only drink 1-2 of them before returning to Heineken for constant imbibing. Constant: aka: until I fall asleep after 5.

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Re: All-time heat records being set all over the world

Postby Lance Kennedy » Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:40 pm

We need to be careful about our conclusions. The highest air temperature ever recorded was in 1913. That does NOT mean we have had 100 years of cooling.

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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:55 pm

If you have twenty heavy meals in a week and one meal of very light food, you are not dieting. The climatological information is what is important here, not today's weather.
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Postby Gord » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:54 pm

That map makes me want to move to the Himalayas.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:05 pm

Yeah.....but.......if 20 years ago you were a svelte 150 pound dude and every year you had record sized meals and today your weigh 250 pounds and the docs say you got to eat lesss, but just last week you ate another record setting meal sizes.......seems like the future is being set in concrete.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:06 pm

Gord wrote:That map makes me want to move to the Himalayas.
But what you'll do is buy an air conditioner. Its pragmatic, unless you really do like yak stew.
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:20 pm

This is about signal versus noise.
1998 was a very hot year, due to a major El Nino event, and heat records were set all over the world. Global warming deniers used that to suggest that there was no warming in subsequent years. They were misleading by misusing the data. We have to be very careful not to misuse data. Heat records in one year do not make a trend, and if we try to insist they do, the deniers will discredit our argument.

The world is warming. Of that, there is no doubt. But the evidence for that warming is the steady change over decades. Making silly claims based on one hot year will not assist in putting down the deniers.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:25 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote: Making silly claims based on one hot year will not assist in putting down the deniers.
Where was that done?
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:12 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Lance Kennedy wrote: Making silly claims based on one hot year will not assist in putting down the deniers.
Where was that done?


When, not where. 1998.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:11 am

Oh!......so......NOTHING related to this thread.

Speaking of silly.................................................
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:17 am

The point, Bobbo, since you seem to have missed it, is that short term events should not be quoted as if they proved long term trends. The fact that there are hot spots right now just proves that there are hot spots right now. Nothing else.

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Postby Poodle » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:11 am

All I know is that, on the Firkin scale, which has only two degrees, its 2 Firkin hot.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:31 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Lance Kennedy wrote: Making silly claims based on one hot year will not assist in putting down the deniers.
Where was that done?


When, not where. 1998.

And that was twenty years ago.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:00 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:The point, Bobbo, since you seem to have missed it, is that short term events should not be quoted as if they proved long term trends. The fact that there are hot spots right now just proves that there are hot spots right now. Nothing else.


Lancer: you really do have a reading deficiency when stuck on stupid. "The Hotest Days on Record" DOES CONTINUE A TREND LINE: by definition.

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Postby Lance Kennedy » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:52 pm

One swallow does not make a summer.
This saying is fully consistent with good science. Single points on a graph are not a trend. One hot year is not a trend. The trend comes from decades of measurements.

You may recall, Bobbo, when Jim Steele tried to pull the wool over our eyes by posting a graph of 12 years global temperature starting 1998. The trend line was to cooling. This was cherry picking of the worst kind, picking an abnormally hot year as starting point. Even 12 years is not enough to establish a trend. It requires 20 plus years.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:57 pm

Say lance: if the trend line for the past 50 years is that it is getting hotter, and every 3-4 years record hot records are set: what the {!#%@} do you mean by a single swallow does not a summer make? You see the stupid lack of informed context you cling to to make a totally irrelevant comment........and then as 99% always: refuse to see your mistake and own up to it????

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Postby Lance Kennedy » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:24 am

As I have already pointed out, Bobbo, the greatest heat record of all was set in 1913. Heat records have always appeared. I suspect a heap of them occurred well before humans even used thermometers. As individual points of data, they mean very little.

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Re: All-time heat records being set all over the world

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:20 am

See all those record breaking highs?????
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/warm ... xist-19074
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Lanced: take a guess....based on mathematics...if a trend line is going up, are you more likely or not to have record breaking ups? You evidently do not understand the characteristics of a trend line in a data set.

…………….Or, you are just being Lance.
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Re: All-time heat records being set all over the world

Postby Lance Kennedy » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:47 am

Notice, Bobbo, that your graph begins in 1910 ?
That is a long term trend and is OK.
But you cannot use the data from one year and call it a trend.

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Lance, what the {!#%@} are you objecting to?
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:26 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:Notice, Bobbo, that your graph begins in 1910 ?
That is a long term trend and is OK.
But you cannot use the data from one year and call it a trend.

Heh, heh.....Lance?...………….LANCE?????????...…...are you ok?

I splained it twice, then just above gave you a freaking picture with a SIXTY YEAR TREND LINE with the big label of : TREND. with an arrow to show where it was. And you continue on from one swallow to one year? There is no explanation for this other than undercooked pork.

I do hope you are just being perverse, rather than what is apparent.
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Re: All-time heat records being set all over the world

Postby Lance Kennedy » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:55 pm

Just pointing out to you, Bobbo, a simple scientific principle. Have to keep repeating since you show signs of being a slow learner.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:58 am

No.
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