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Beware, fake witches, beware!

Post by Gord » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:20 am

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/psychic-hi ... -1.3347483

Police in Toronto say a psychic has been charged with pretending to practise witchcraft after a customer allegedly paid more than $100,000 to have an "evil spirit" removed.

Yes indeed, it is in fact a crime to pretend to practice witchcraft in Canada: http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts ... n-365.html

Every one who fraudulently

(a) pretends to exercise or to use any kind of witchcraft, sorcery, enchantment or conjuration,

(b) undertakes, for a consideration, to tell fortunes, or

(c) pretends from his skill in or knowledge of an occult or crafty science to discover where or in what manner anything that is supposed to have been stolen or lost may be found,

is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

:lol: "Undertakes, for a consideration, to tell fortunes"? Aren't all financial advisers witches according to that definition?
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Post by KevinLevites » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:01 am

I think all priests, rabbis, ministers, imans, etc. should qualify as witch doctors.

All clergy! All of them!

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Post by KevinLevites » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:05 am

On second thought, perhaps I misspoke.

I wonder how much money I could make if I started my own religion...like L. Ron Hubbard.

I could become the Ascended Master of the Cosmic Heavens or some such. I could even peddle my own holy water!

Somebody stop me...

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Post by Gord » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:45 am

I'll let you do it if I get 1% of the profits.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:00 am

But what if they aren't pretending? You know....... they really believe.......and any contribution is just for unrelated good will? Like a good massage????
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Post by gorgeous » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:10 pm

(b) undertakes, for a consideration, to tell fortunes, or

(c) pretends from his skill in or knowledge of an occult or crafty science to discover where or in what manner anything that is supposed to have been stolen or lost may be found,
--------I have told my own fortune in my precognitive dreams that come true..........and some future news events.............remote viewers have been proven accurate finding people, objects....the govt does it...police use psychics....and I have enchanted many guys and animals...so there...
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Post by Poodle » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:26 pm

I'm fascinated. How is it possible to PROVE that someone is pretending to practise witchcraft?
(Careful what you say. The entire Roman Catholic world is holding its breath).
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Post by gorgeous » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:26 pm

indeed
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Post by Poodle » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:28 pm

It wasn't an endorsement, gorgeous.

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Post by gorgeous » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:29 pm

doesn't matter....they still can't prove it...
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Post by Poodle » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:38 pm

Can't prove what?

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Post by gorgeous » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:02 pm

pretending to practise witchcraft
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:06 pm

Poodle wrote:Can't prove what?
That georgie's men-enchanting potions are just cheap sleeping pill-enhanced liquor.
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Post by KevinLevites » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:15 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:But what if they aren't pretending? You know....... they really believe.......and any contribution is just for unrelated good will? Like a good massage????
A good massage with a..ahem...happy ending?

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Post by Nikki Nyx » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:36 am

(font="Monty_Python")
"She's NOT a witch! Burn her!"
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Post by AmeliaMichelle » Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:58 pm

illegal religious practices, tempting to almost want to stand up for. but can you imagine? the claiming of others' accident, coincidence image voice and narrative and dilemma to essentially say they were doing things they were never doing, saying things they were never saying and trying to procure power from others by tricking them into believing an illusion that is dangerous. imagine, the power of collective belief and the power of hypnosis in collective understanding: placebo in the madness of crowds and popular dilutions (Mackay). convince enough people of anything, it can carry for centuries. ((fabricative coincidence is a guessing game for similar instancing))

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Post by Poodle » Sat May 19, 2018 2:48 pm

AmeliaMichelle wrote:... fabricative coincidence is a guessing game for similar instancing ...
I couldn't have said that better myself. Not even with a buzzphrase generator.

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Post by JO 753 » Sat May 19, 2018 5:04 pm

How about starting a rating ajensy? Like Moody'z, exept for the occult.

It woud be secretly crooked and fortune tellerz, wichez, exorsists etc woud haf to pay to get a good rating.
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AmeliaMichelle wrote:.".. fabricative coincidence is a guessing game for similar instancing ..."
Poodle wrote:I couldn't have said that better myself. Not even with a buzzphrase generator.
Hmmmmm..........the entire paper on Metaphysics, this sentence appears in, seems to be composed by a random sentence generator.
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Post by AmeliaMichelle » Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:15 pm

geez, thanks. you've gone to some lengths, huh?

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Post by JO 753 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:13 pm

Gord, do you still hav that Chandra Burnmeup* random sentens jenerator link?





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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:02 am

AmeliaMichelle wrote:geez, thanks. you've gone to some lengths, huh?
It's what we do here. We quickly see through bull-{!#%@}. :lol:

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Post by Gord » Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:41 am

JO 753 wrote:Gord, do you still hav that Chandra Burnmeup* random sentens jenerator link?





*kant rekol hiz nam at xu moment.
Yes?
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Post by Gord » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:57 am

Dum de dum de dum...oh! Hi there! I didn't see you come in!

Well, since you're here anyway, why don't I tell you about this: https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/10/2 ... n=trending
...Dorie "Madeena" Stevenson was arrested Thursday after a five-month investigation, according to police. Officers also recovered evidence from her property after executing a search warrant.

One of Stevenson's alleged victims told police they had been defrauded of more than $60,000 after consulting with the woman, who owns the registered business Milton Psychic....

...Stevenson was charged with "Witchcraft — Fortune Telling," police said. Section 365 of Canada's Criminal Code defines witchcraft in the context of fraud as:
"Every one who pretends to exercise or to use any kind of witchcraft, sorcery, enchantment or conjuration; undertakes, for a consideration, to tell fortunes; or pretends from his skill in or knowledge of an occult or crafty science to discover where or in what manner anything that is supposed to have been stolen or lost may be found."
...Police, however, may not be able to charge people with "witchcraft" for much longer. Proposed legislation in the form of Bill C-51 plans to remove witchcraft, duelling and other "obsolete" offences from the Criminal Code.

"One must wonder about the existing laws regarding the practice of witchcraft, sorcery, enchantment, or conjuration," NDP MP Wayne Stetski Kootenay told Parliament in 2017.

"In addition to the fact that it impinges on the rights of some religions, and would confuse the U.S. president, who is certain that he is the target of a witch hunt, this might also hurt Harry Potter cosplayers; Dungeons and Dragons "larpers," which I do not know much about but which my staff assure me is a thing; and others for whom sorcery is an entertainment. This is a good law to be rid of."...
If you ask me, D&D larpers should be held accountable for their actions.

On the other hand, duelling will be legal again. That should make for more interesting political campaigns.
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Post by ElectricMonk » Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:03 am

I support outlawing, but not prosecuting, Cantrips and Level 1 spells.
Beyond that, you should get a Spell-casting License and have a vault to keep your Spellbooks locked up.

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Post by landrew » Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:48 pm

Of course it should be illegal, We can't have spurious religions parading around everywhere.
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Post by OlegTheBatty » Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:37 pm

Gord wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:57 am
Dum de dum de dum...oh! Hi there! I didn't see you come in!

Well, since you're here anyway, why don't I tell you about this: https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/10/2 ... n=trending
...Dorie "Madeena" Stevenson was arrested Thursday after a five-month investigation, according to police. Officers also recovered evidence from her property after executing a search warrant.

One of Stevenson's alleged victims told police they had been defrauded of more than $60,000 after consulting with the woman, who owns the registered business Milton Psychic....

...Stevenson was charged with "Witchcraft — Fortune Telling," police said. Section 365 of Canada's Criminal Code defines witchcraft in the context of fraud as:
"Every one who pretends to exercise or to use any kind of witchcraft, sorcery, enchantment or conjuration; undertakes, for a consideration, to tell fortunes; or pretends from his skill in or knowledge of an occult or crafty science to discover where or in what manner anything that is supposed to have been stolen or lost may be found."
...Police, however, may not be able to charge people with "witchcraft" for much longer. Proposed legislation in the form of Bill C-51 plans to remove witchcraft, duelling and other "obsolete" offences from the Criminal Code.

"One must wonder about the existing laws regarding the practice of witchcraft, sorcery, enchantment, or conjuration," NDP MP Wayne Stetski Kootenay told Parliament in 2017.

"In addition to the fact that it impinges on the rights of some religions, and would confuse the U.S. president, who is certain that he is the target of a witch hunt, this might also hurt Harry Potter cosplayers; Dungeons and Dragons "larpers," which I do not know much about but which my staff assure me is a thing; and others for whom sorcery is an entertainment. This is a good law to be rid of."...
If you ask me, D&D larpers should be held accountable for their actions.

On the other hand, duelling will be legal again. That should make for more interesting political campaigns.

The law you cited from is about pretending, not practicing.
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Post by Gord » Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:41 pm

D&D larpers are definitely pretending something.
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