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Postby JO 753 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:27 am

A counter to xouperz thred.

Self defense iz the main excuse for owning a gun. Nobody haz denied that it can actually work, but xouper believez that this catagory uv gun insidents duz not get its riteful amount uv coveraj.

This thred iz to provide sum examplez uv the other catagoryz.

1. intentional homisidez
2. aksidental homisidez
3. suisidez
4. aksidental suisidez
5. intentional injuriez
6. aksidental injuriez
7. unseksesful self defens
8. gun battlez (non war related in sivilized areaz)
9. intentional property damaj
10. aksidental property damaj

I'll kik it off with a few frum #4.

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Daily Mail reports: A Navy SEAL has died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while showing a gun to a woman he had met in a bar.
The 22-year-old, identified by the Navy as Petty Officer Third Class Gene 'Geno' Clayton, Jr, was playing with a 9mm handgun he believed was unloaded when he pulled the trigger Thursday.

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abc7 reports 15 yir old shoots himself
LYNWOOD, Ill. (WLS) -- A 15-year-old Lynwood boy is dead after he accidentally shot himself while on FaceTime with a friend.

Blake Hannett died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head on Thursday night after a gun accidentally went off, police said. He was talking with a friend on FaceTime when the screen went blank. Police responded to the home in the 2700-block of Lake Park Drive in Lynwood and found the teenager at his desk with a .38 caliber handgun on the floor under his chair, officials said.

Hannett's family said the teenager heard a noise and searched the home with the family gun for an intruder, as they say there had been a suspicious person in the neighborhood lately. They said the gun went off as he put it down in his room.


Thoze are the 1st uv 6,730,000 rezults for a Google serch for 'accidentally shot himself in the head'.
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Postby xouper » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:36 am

JO 753 wrote:A counter to xouperz thred.

I think this is a great idea.

JO 753 wrote:Self defense iz the main excuse for owning a gun. Nobody haz denied that it can actually work,

Lance has.

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Postby xouper » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:38 am

Category 2 - accidental homicide:

3-year-old shoots, kills 1-year-old after picking up unattended gun in Ohio home
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/12/police-3-year-old-shoots-kills-1-year-old-after-picking-up-unattended-gun-in/

That's just wrong. Tragedies like this are no different than a mother leaving her 3-year-old unattended in the bathtub. The one time I witnessed that -- the mother had gone off to talk on the phone leaving her granddaughter in the tub alone -- I almost went ballistic.

Drowning is the leading cause of deaths in children age 1 to 4. However, the bathtub or swimming pool is not to blame for the drowning, but rather the negligence of the parent is. Likewise in the above story, the negligence of the parent is to blame, not the gun.

Just as we don't ban bathtubs and swimming pools, banning guns is not the correct solution.

The problem illustrated in the above shooting is perhaps much bigger than just the incident with the gun. One wonders whether the mother is fit to be a parent. But that's another whole can of worms.[/quote]

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Postby JO 753 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:40 am

Did he? If so, its a foolish tactical error, sins youd need only a singl exampl to disproov it.
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Postby xouper » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:57 am


Ouch.

I gotta ask, was the safety off? The article did not mention that detail.

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Postby xouper » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:58 am

JO 753 wrote:Did he? If so, its a foolish tactical error, sins youd need only a singl exampl to disproov it.

Perhaps he might come here and clarify what he meant.

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Postby xouper » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:03 am

Category 3 - suicide by gun:

British tourist commits suicide at gun range in Thailand
PHUKET, Thailand, March 21, 2015 (UPI)

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2015/03/21/British-tourist-commits-suicide-at-gun-range-in-Thailand/4481426974597/

Thank Gawd he didn't do it in New Zealand where there are censorship rules against the reporting of suicides.

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Postby xouper » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:06 am

JO 753 wrote:Self defense iz the main excuse for owning a gun. Nobody haz denied that it can actually work, ...

I almost forgot, Gawdzilla is also a self defense denier.

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Postby ElectricMonk » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:12 am

xouper wrote:That's just wrong. Tragedies like this are no different than a mother leaving her 3-year-old unattended in the bathtub. The one time I witnessed that -- the mother had gone off to talk on the phone leaving her granddaughter in the tub alone -- I almost went ballistic.

Drowning is the leading cause of deaths in children age 1 to 4. However, the bathtub or swimming pool is not to blame for the drowning, but rather the negligence of the parent is. Likewise in the above story, the negligence of the parent is to blame, not the gun.

Just as we don't ban bathtubs and swimming pools, banning guns is not the correct solution.

The problem illustrated in the above shooting is perhaps much bigger than just the incident with the gun. One wonders whether the mother is fit to be a parent. But that's another whole can of worms.


right - it might be useful to have a thread on basic parenting or pool safety ... but lets stick to guns, as this is the topic of the current thread.

If she had left a pair of scissors, the 1-year old would have had a much better chance of survival, under the same level of neglectfulness.
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Postby xouper » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:45 am

ElectricMonk wrote:If she had left a pair of scissors, the 1-year old would have had a much better chance of survival, under the same level of neglectfulness.

I agree. What conclusion would have us draw from that observation?

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Postby ElectricMonk » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:58 am

xouper wrote:
ElectricMonk wrote:If she had left a pair of scissors, the 1-year old would have had a much better chance of survival, under the same level of neglectfulness.

I agree. What conclusion would have us draw from that observation?


that we should not deflect the discussion to what gun-accidents have in common with other mishaps, but to what makes them different: the much higher casualty rate.
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ElectricMonk wrote:
xouper wrote:
ElectricMonk wrote:If she had left a pair of scissors, the 1-year old would have had a much better chance of survival, under the same level of neglectfulness.

I agree. What conclusion would have us draw from that observation?

that we should not deflect the discussion to what gun-accidents have in common with other mishaps, but to what makes them different: the much higher casualty rate.

Why am I not allowed to make that comparison? Are you the hall monitor here?

Back to the topic - in the situations where gun accidents have a higher casualty rate, what conclusion would you have us draw from that?

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Postby ElectricMonk » Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:30 am

xouper wrote:Back to the topic - in the situations where gun accidents have a higher casualty rate, what conclusion would you have us draw from that?


oooooo - what a thoughie ......

Maybe reduce potential lethallity of guns? Promote non-lethal defense devices like taser etc. as alternatives?
What conclusions do you draw?
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ElectricMonk wrote:
xouper wrote:Back to the topic - in the situations where gun accidents have a higher casualty rate, what conclusion would you have us draw from that?

Maybe reduce potential lethallity of guns? Promote non-lethal defense devices like taser etc. as alternatives?

I can see why those might be reasonable. However, both of those proposals are unsatisfactory if one wants the full lethal force of a firearm for self defense.

ElectricMonk wrote:What conclusions do you draw?

Guns are sometimes more lethal than other things. That's what makes them useful for self defense. I also conclude that the lethality of guns means parents should be more vigilant in keeping their children from using them incorrectly.

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Postby JO 753 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:52 pm

#3. suiside

Kinda boring storyz.

Seemz he got taxed to deth

NY cop shoots himself. Hiz wife and kidz were in the house.

38 yir old talent ajent.

The stats show that gunz are the most popular method, with 50.9%. If you like the idea that intent iz more important than the effectiveness uv the tool, you coud argue that a gun savez everybody the expense uv dealing with failed attempts with other methodz. http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/us-methods-suicide
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Postby JO 753 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:29 pm

#6. Aksidentl injuryz.

Lots uv stuff on Youtube!

Mostly recoil aksidents. This collection uv ubowt 20 incidents iz prezented az humor, but since the injuryz to the shooter can be serious & permanent it shoud make you think a lot longer about the potential downside in a real situation.

Idiots with gunz Pilez on the evidence to support my obzervation that anytime sumthing bad happenz with a gun, it duznt matter how respected uv a gun guru you were before, you are immedietly demoted to idiot by your fellow gun nuts.
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Postby JO 753 » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:27 am

Another thing that stops a bad guy with a gun.
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Postby xouper » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:58 pm

I am tempted to call the following shooting an example of vigilante justice, which I do not condone.

http://fox6now.com/2015/04/13/latest-police-identify-three-victims-involved-in-fatal-crash-that-led-to-gunfire/

... Officials say their investigation shows 40-year-old Archie Brown was driving a van northbound on N. 48th Street when two-year-old Damani Terry ran into the road. The van struck the child and he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Brown, whom witnesses indicate was distraught about hitting the child, stopped and exited the van immediately following the crash and was fatally shot by an unknown suspect. Brown was also pronounced dead at the scene.

Officials say a second victim, 15-year-old Rasheed Chiles was also fatally shot by the suspect.

... Milwaukee police are working to identify the shooting suspect. Anyone with information is asked to call Milwaukee Police at 414-935-7360.

Milwaukee Attorney Michael Hupy, with the law firm Hupy & Abraham is offering a $25,000 reward in this case.

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Postby JO 753 » Fri May 01, 2015 11:54 pm

Dad killz wife, self

A Long Island father of six killed his wife before turning the gun on himself, all while his two young children, under the age of 2, were nearby in their Mastic Beach home, Suffolk police said.
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Austrailian denied threesome - murder & suiside iz the solution!

John Clements was furious after turning up at his former girlfriend's house and discovering the plans for a threesome had fallen through, the Mercury reports.

The 46-year-old had planned to sleep with ex Kylie Hales and current girlfriend Helen Scott.
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Postby JO 753 » Sat May 02, 2015 12:06 am

Murder suicide in Texas

The shooting was reported at about 9:50 p.m. in the 9800 block of Sweetwind Drive. When police arrived, they found two shooting victims, a husband and wife. The woman was pronounced dead at the scene while the man was taken to Doctors Hospital.
At about midnight, he was pronounced dead.


Now whoz going to pay the bill?!

But, considering that he woud hav cost a bunch in court costs and incarseration, its probably cheaper this way.
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Postby JO 753 » Sat May 02, 2015 12:11 am

Gotta get serious and catch up with xouperz thred!
Willow Springz murder suicide

Samantha Zapata, 26, of the 8300 block of South Archer Avenue, was pronounced dead at 9:47 a.m. Saturday, according to the Cook County medical examiner's office.

An autopsy conducted Sunday determined that the woman died from a gunshot wound to her back and her death was ruled a homicide, according to the office.

In addition to her death, Luis M. Zapata, 35, who lived in the same home as Samantha Zapata, was pronounced dead at the same time as the woman, according to the office. An autopsy ruled his death a suicide from a gunshot wound to his chest, according to the autopsy.
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Postby JO 753 » Sat May 02, 2015 12:14 am

Geezer killz family

According to the DuPage County coroner's office, an autopsy conducted today determined that Frank Stack, 82, committed suicide after shooting his wife Joan, 82, and their two adult children, Frank Jr., 48, and Mary 57. Everyone was shot in the head, according to autopsy results.
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Filmaker killz wife, dotr, self

It was during the latter part of our conversation that he made the statement that is most unsettling and troubling to me. It was six months after the death of Andrew Breitbart and five months before the “accident” that claimed the life of Michael Hastings. He ominously confided that he had no intentions of committing suicide or otherwise becoming a statistic as he had so much to live for. “I’m not prone to suicide,” he told me.
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Postby JO 753 » Sat May 02, 2015 12:23 am

Standard issue ho hum run uv the mill

Bobby Bradley said he heard a loud argument just before 6 a.m. Thursday from his daughter's upstairs apartment. Then he heard gunshots. He ran outside and tried to get the gunman's attention.

"He's still standing with the gun in his hand. I said, 'Hey sir! What's the problem here?' Then bam! By the time I got to him, he was stretched over her," Bradley said.

Police confirm the incident was a murder-suicide. They said the gunman was the former husband of the victim, Tiffany Jones.
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Postby JO 753 » Sat May 02, 2015 12:26 am

This gets monotonous.

Here: 18,000,000 murder sucicide rezults. Hav fun.
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Postby TJrandom » Sat May 02, 2015 1:33 am

JO 753 wrote:This gets monotonous.

Here: 18,000,000 murder sucicide rezults. Hav fun.


Ah, but remember - just one self defense with a gun success, cancels out all of those deaths... even if we have to face every one of those relatives and tell them so. :roll:

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TJrandom wrote:
JO 753 wrote:This gets monotonous.

Here: 18,000,000 murder sucicide rezults. Hav fun.

Ah, but remember - just one self defense with a gun success, cancels out all of those deaths... even if we have to face every one of those relatives and tell them so. :roll:

The legitimate use of a gun will always trump the criminal misuse of a gun.

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xouper wrote:The legitimate use of a gun will always trump the criminal misuse of a gun.



... seriously?
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Postby xouper » Sat May 02, 2015 7:05 am

ElectricMonk wrote:
xouper wrote:The legitimate use of a gun will always trump the criminal misuse of a gun.

... seriously?

Yes. Just as the legitimate use of a knife trumps the criminal misuse of a knife.

See for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killings

Elliot Rodger killed three people with a knife and three people with a gun. So why do some people say we should ban guns but not knives? We don't ban knives because they have a legitimate purpose besides possible criminal misuse. But so do guns. How many times do I need to say this before people get it?

Seriously.

Rep. Lois Capps (D-CA) said that Congress needed to take more action to stop gun violence ...

But she is fine with three people killed with a knife in the same killing spree? What a hypocrite.

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xouper wrote:Elliot Rodger killed three people with a knife and three people with a gun. So why do some people say we should ban guns but not knives? We don't ban knives because they have a legitimate purpose besides possible criminal misuse.


have you ever checked knife laws?

They are much, much stricter than gun laws.
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Postby JO 753 » Sat May 02, 2015 8:21 am

Another aspect atributable to the eaze, power and ranje uv gunz are all the unsolved murderz, injuryz & property damaj.

713 million rezults for 'found shot'
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Postby TJrandom » Sat May 02, 2015 9:53 am

JO 753 wrote:Another aspect atributable to the eaze, power and ranje uv gunz are all the unsolved murderz, injuryz & property damaj.

713 million rezults for 'found shot'


I dunno now - how is anyone gonna face all those angry relatives and tell them that they had a right, an uninfringable right no less, to pull that gun out and blow away people?

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Postby xouper » Sat May 02, 2015 3:29 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
xouper wrote:Elliot Rodger killed three people with a knife and three people with a gun. So why do some people say we should ban guns but not knives? We don't ban knives because they have a legitimate purpose besides possible criminal misuse.

have you ever checked knife laws? They are much, much stricter than gun laws.

Yes, there are such laws.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife_legislation#United_States_of_America

Whether those laws are "stricter", I'm not sure how you propose to measure that. For example, for knives, there is no licensing requirement, there is no background check, and there is no training requirement.

See also:
Knives and the Second Amendment
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2238223

Abstract:
This Article is the first scholarly analysis of knives and the Second Amendment. Under the Supreme Court’s standard in District of Columbia v. Heller, knives are Second Amendment “arms” because they are “typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes,” including self-defense.

There is no knife that is more dangerous than a modern handgun; to the contrary, knives are much less dangerous. Therefore, restrictions on carrying handguns set the upper limit for restrictions on carrying knives.

Prohibitions on carrying knives in general, or of particular knives, are unconstitutional. For example, bans of knives that open in a convenient way (e.g., switchblades, gravity knives, and butterfly knives) are unconstitutional. Likewise unconstitutional are bans on folding knives that, after being opened, have a safety lock to prevent inadvertent closure.

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Postby ElectricMonk » Mon May 04, 2015 9:28 am

Plenty of types of knifes are simply banned - you can not make them, you can not sell them, you can not buy them - pretty strong restrictions.
You are almost everywhere banned from carrying them in public, unlike many open-carry laws for rifles etc.

If you consider that the 2nd Amendment certainly had weapons like sabers, bayonets, stilettos etc. in mind it's confusing why banning such weapons in constitutionally ok, but banning firearms is not.
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Postby xouper » Mon May 04, 2015 4:19 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:Plenty of types of knifes are simply banned - you can not make them, you can not sell them, you can not buy them - pretty strong restrictions. You are almost everywhere banned from carrying them in public, unlike many open-carry laws for rifles etc. If you consider that the 2nd Amendment certainly had weapons like sabers, bayonets, stilettos etc. in mind it's confusing why banning such weapons in constitutionally ok, but banning firearms is not.

You are correct in pointing out the inconsistency. The paper I cited claims such knife bans are not constitutional, but the US Supreme Court has not yet ruled on the matter.

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Postby ElectricMonk » Mon May 04, 2015 4:56 pm

xouper wrote:You are correct in pointing out the inconsistency. The paper I cited claims such knife bans are not constitutional, but the US Supreme Court has not yet ruled on the matter.


so you would think it a great expression of personal freedom and a great way to ensure personal and general safety if people (laws permitting) would run around with assault rifles with bayonets attached, and a claymore on the back?
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Re: Examplz uv Unfortunate Events Involving Gunz

Postby TJrandom » Mon May 04, 2015 6:57 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
xouper wrote:You are correct in pointing out the inconsistency. The paper I cited claims such knife bans are not constitutional, but the US Supreme Court has not yet ruled on the matter.


so you would think it a great expression of personal freedom and a great way to ensure personal and general safety if people (laws permitting) would run around with assault rifles with bayonets attached, and a claymore on the back?


Can`t have enough for self defense - just in case some bad guy pulls out a pen-knife... :roll:


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