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New Age Fraud

Postby tecpaocelotl » Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:02 am

It's a forum that discusses about New Age Frauds around the world:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php

I'm not owner nor mod of the forum.
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Postby Austin Harper » Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:20 pm

Thanks for the link. I'd consider joining, but I have trouble even getting to all of the posts on this forum I want to on this forum.
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Postby tecpaocelotl » Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:45 pm

It's fine. Just has a lot of threads on frauds and a growing a list on needing research.
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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Tapeworm » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:22 pm

New Age Frauds & Plastic Shaman is itself a fraud. I suppose it takes one to know one.

The newagefrauds.com site was shut down for libel but has now moved to a server in Panama to avoid further charges.

The founder of the site Al Carroll is not native and neither are most of the regulars.

A site to be skeptical of for sure.

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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Gord » Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:39 am

Sounds like they're doing good things to bad people who know how to use the law.

But I only say that 'cause I have no idea what's going on there....
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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby TheUltimateBlitz1 » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:13 pm

msc008 wrote:
The founder of the site Al Carroll is not native and neither are most of the regulars.



What's so bad about them not being natives. A site is allowed to have people from different countries.

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Postby octopus1 » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:41 pm

msc008 wrote:New Age Frauds & Plastic Shaman is itself a fraud. I suppose it takes one to know one.

The newagefrauds.com site was shut down for libel but has now moved to a server in Panama to avoid further charges.

The founder of the site Al Carroll is not native and neither are most of the regulars.

A site to be skeptical of for sure.


Native to where? This is a pretty international forum, you'll have to be more specific...
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Postby OlegTheBatty » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:43 pm

octopus1 wrote:
msc008 wrote:New Age Frauds & Plastic Shaman is itself a fraud. I suppose it takes one to know one.

The newagefrauds.com site was shut down for libel but has now moved to a server in Panama to avoid further charges.

The founder of the site Al Carroll is not native and neither are most of the regulars.

A site to be skeptical of for sure.


Native to where? This is a pretty international forum, you'll have to be more specific...

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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Kaepora Gaebora » Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:15 pm

Looking at the forum, it's dedicated to pointing out pseudo-Native Americans fraudsters, which include New Age groups borrowing/stealing/making up cultural identities of tribes.

I can't find anything in their news section related to libel charges or moving servers, and nothing comes up in a Google search. They keep referring to Al Carroll as the founder, though I can't find anything officially naming him as the founder of the site and there are a billion Al Carroll's out there. In any case, attacking him as 'not native' doesn't matter as the site is for preservation of a cultural identity, not about being a 'true' NA.

As for the server in Panama... proof? A whois query brings up a identity protector based in Singapore which doesn't mean anything, and if it were based in Panama, does that matter?

I'm betting this is likely a smear campaign from somebody or some people in these New Age-y groups pissed off about being called out as frauds. In which case, this was the wrong forum to do this. :P

(Yeah, I'm bored and this intrigued me.)

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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Gord » Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:09 am

Kaepora Gaebora wrote:there are a billion Al Carroll's out there

Huh! Really?? And people were worried about the Chinese!
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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Tapeworm » Wed Dec 31, 2014 5:35 pm

As for the server in Panama... proof? A whois query brings up a identity protector based in Singapore which doesn't mean anything, and if it were based in Panama, does that matter?


A simple ping tells you a server IP address. This site is hosted by CyberCast International in Panama which advertises themselves a "Offshore Anonymous Hosting". A favorite hosting provider for scammers.

In general it doesn't matter where a site is hosted. However, in this case the site was kicked off a series of US hosting providers for violating terms of service regarding hate speech. First Yahoo, then a series of others, they shared webspace with white supremacist sites before moving offshore.

Clearly no one has actually looked closely at the content of this site or they would understand what 'native' is referring to and why it is an issue. The site repeatedly accuses others of not being Native American which is the only reason this is relevant. Pot meet kettle. The ongoing libel/slander suit is in Oklahoma case number CJ-2009-10887.

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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby scrmbldggs » Wed Dec 31, 2014 5:49 pm

Took you a year and a day! Have good next one, Tapeworm. :-P


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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Tapeworm » Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:39 pm

Didn't realize skepticism had a statue of limitations.

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Postby scrmbldggs » Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:09 pm

:-P
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Postby scrmbldggs » Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:13 pm

I noticed tecpaocelotl hasn't posted either in some time. They should probably added to JO's thread. :cry:
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Postby OlegTheBatty » Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:18 pm

I wonder if a statue of limitations is more powerful than my Shield from Pointless Bickering +1.
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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Tapeworm » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:13 pm

If it is pointless why even start the thread?

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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Poodle » Wed Dec 31, 2014 11:38 pm

If the word 'pointless' hasn't been used anywhere between your last two posts, why bring it up at all?

Pointless.

EDIT: Oh - now I've spotted it. Still pointless. I think I have a point there.

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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Al Carroll » Sun Nov 01, 2015 7:04 pm

Hello, I'm the Al Carroll mentioned. I'm late to this, but felt it important to clear things up. In part because we do have quite a few self described skeptics among our members, and our purpose has a lot in common with skeptics.

No, I'm not the owner. No one is or ever has been. I'm one moderator out of five and one member of over 2000. And contrary to Tapeworm's claim, our membership is mostly Native. We have members from dozens of tribes, not just in the US but Latin America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Native Hawaiians. Every ethnicity and faith you can name, plus atheists and agnostics. And many of our members are survivors of New Age abuse and fraud.

I tend to get the most attention, being a professor and not hiding my name. Who I am is all over the site.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1710.0
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http://alcarroll.com/
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It's interesting that it's solely been Nuage imposters and exploiters we expose who claim I'm not Native. No one else, not Natives, not the schools where I studied American Indian Studies under very prestigious Native professors, not the Fulbright, not the colleges where I've taught or university presses who publish me, not the numerous Native activists I work with, including American Indian Movement members and chapters, and members of tribal gov'ts.

So I'll let all of you decide who is more credible, an anonymous New Ager who joined just to smear myself and NAFPS, or a group of human rights activists devoted to the defense of Native traditions. And as Kaepora pointed out, we don't demand one be Native to join. That'd be racist, just as racist as it is for an outsider like Tapeworm being the judge as to who "true" Natives are. One doesn't need to be Native to be concerned how New Age imposters abuse, exploit, and commercialize Native traditions by selling false versions of them, as well as abuse hapless New Age followers financially, spiritually, and often sexually.

We are a resource for numerous tribes, universities, activists, museums, and people of all backgrounds. Feel free to call on us.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:22 pm

Welcome, Al Carroll. :wave: And thanks for doing that^ and this informative post!


(Q: "And many of our members are survivors or New Age abuse and fraud." - you meant survivors of New Age abuse and fraud?)
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:48 pm

"Looking at the forum, it's dedicated to pointing out pseudo-Native Americans fraudsters, which include New Age groups borrowing/stealing/making up cultural identities of tribes." /// Just more Indian Betting Parlors and Casinos huh?

There once was a "Tribe" of proud American Indians in ....New Hampshire?....or some place that was down to 16 members and about to suffer the genocide the white takes with us whereever we go. Then some mob related lawyer contracted with them to build a huge Casino. The Tribe decided that anyone who could prove 1/16th "I want the Money" bloodline could share in the profits. Last I heard the Tribe was up to 350 pround Native Americans demanding even more rights.

Unless you are talking about money...........you aren't paying attention.
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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Gord » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:11 am

Al Carroll at http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRat ... id=1462643

Edit: Crap! My finger twitched while reading one of the ratings and accidentally clicked on "1 person did not find this useful"! Now it says "2 people did not find this useful", but I'm the second one and it's not true and I don't see how to fix it. :roll:
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Postby Harte » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:11 am

I've been to that forum before and found it useful concerning the claims about Hopi prophecy as well as the fairly recent books out from supposed Natives relating fraudulent versions from Native American mythology.

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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Al Carroll » Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:24 am

scrmbldggs wrote:Welcome, Al Carroll. :wave: And thanks for doing that^ and this informative post!


(Q: "And many of our members are survivors or New Age abuse and fraud." - you meant survivors of New Age abuse and fraud?)


Thanks for the kind words and welcome. Typo corrected.

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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Al Carroll » Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:33 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:"Looking at the forum, it's dedicated to pointing out pseudo-Native Americans fraudsters, which include New Age groups borrowing/stealing/making up cultural identities of tribes." /// Just more Indian Betting Parlors and Casinos huh?

There once was a "Tribe" of proud American Indians in ....New Hampshire?....or some place that was down to 16 members and about to suffer the genocide the white takes with us whereever we go. Then some mob related lawyer contracted with them to build a huge Casino. The Tribe decided that anyone who could prove 1/16th "I want the Money" bloodline could share in the profits. Last I heard the Tribe was up to 350 pround Native Americans demanding even more rights.

Unless you are talking about money...........you aren't paying attention.


So many stereotypes in one post...

Most gaming is by non-Natives. Vegas makes far more than every reservation casino.

The only case I know of where a "tribe" worked with anyone in organized crime was a fraud outfit in Erie PA called the Moundbuilders, who are Black supremacists posing as Native.

It's quite striking to me that the stereotype of rich casino Indians has so much in common with older anti Semitic claims against Jews, the notion of secretive, grasping, corrupt, and undeserving wealth by a tiny number of "Others."
For the record, most tribes don't have casinos.

It's also striking how some hostile to Natives insist on the One Drop Rule in reverse for Native people, that one must be entirely Native to be Native. The exact opposite as for Blacks.

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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:59 am

Al Carroll says:

1. So many stereotypes in one post... //// Well, lets check them out?

2. Most gaming is by non-Natives. //// I agree. I don't have the numbers, but its an irrelevant issue.

3. Vegas makes far more than every reservation casino. //// Vegas makes far more than any other casino. That would be a whole city vs a casino. Maybe Macau comes closer?

4. The only case I know of where a "tribe" worked with anyone in organized crime was a fraud outfit in Erie PA called the Moundbuilders, who are Black supremacists posing as Native. /// That was window dressing on my part unless you want to call anyone in gambling as part of a or the mob. A close question in my mind, but not common parlance.

5. It's quite striking to me that the stereotype of rich casino Indians /// I never said nor meant to imply "rich." But to share in money not otherwise available?==Yes, who wouldn't. Indians are sadly just like everyone else.

6. has so much in common with older anti Semitic claims against Jews, the notion of secretive, grasping, corrupt, and undeserving wealth by a tiny number of "Others." /// I don't know about the Jews you are slandering, but the action of the Indians involved in Casinos is right out in the open, not secretive at all. As to the other traits, as stated: yes, Sadly Indians are no different than everyone else. Give them special rights, and they will take them........ and demand more.

7. For the record, most tribes don't have casinos. //// Yep, the issue is those that do: "New Age Fraud."

8. It's also striking how some hostile to Natives insist on the One Drop Rule in reverse for Native people, that one must be entirely Native to be Native. //// What it takes to qualify as a tribe member is imposed entirely by the tribe. You got your umbrage in the wrong direction.

9. The exact opposite as for Blacks. //// Yea, I've never understood that. I know my blood is so powerful that one drop of it would make my great-great-great-grandkiddies as white as they need to be for whatever Casino they want to manage. (sarc/off)

I dunno.....seems wholly irrelevant, assuming, and a boilerplate of political correctness and easy mirror'ed stereotypes to me.

If we are all equal before the law.....I see no excuse for one group getting special privileges over any other: like building a casino when othera can't. All Indian Rights should be done away with as Historical Artifice and they join the rest of the American populous.

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Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:27 am

Aw come on, why should corporations, politicians and churches be the only ones with special privileges. And grow industrial hemp.


(Yeah, I know there are a few others. Whoever Image - you list them if you wish. :-P)
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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Al Carroll » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:29 pm

Political correctness is an empty headed phrase beloved by those oh so angered they can no longer be openly racist as they use to be.

Bobbo, if you can't see how your racist hatred of Native peoples has a lot in common with anti Semitism, everyone else can. Your ignorance extends well beyond not knowing how to use the word populace. (Populous is an adjective, not a noun.)

You also have a striking habit of failing to grasp the obvious and trying to divert with side issues. The obvious example is your own race baiting use of the One Drop Rule in reverse. Obviously how tribes define who is a member has nothing to do with your definition of a Native.

There have been numerous attempts at forcible assimilation of Native peoples, all ending in tragedy and higher death rates. No one knows better than a Native how assimilation failed. Canada admits its assimilation was a genocide effort, with a death toll of tens of thousands of children. Most Americans know little about the topic.
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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:10 pm

Al: I gave you 9 points of contention and you fail to directly address ANY OF THEM. The logical implication is that you have no response. Dumb founded you are.

The one you came closest to addressing is that somehow I race baited by saying any of my grandkiddies with 1/16th of my blood would be "me" or my race. Such a statement is a DIRECT NEGATION of race theory....but you are too politically correct/bleeding heart liberal/unthinking past some label...to see it. If you don't post back on subject, I will assume you do the math and figure out what my claiming proud family heritage to someone who is 15/16th whatever and 1/16th "Me" actually means.

1. How do you tell the difference between race hatred and hatred of Native peoples?

2. Point out by copy and paste exactly what I said to reveal hatred of either race or Natives.

3. I see the typo with populous......and you make that a substantive complaint? You can't be more shallow than that......regardless of the effort you give it.

4. There is assimilation, ongoing assimilation if that is the case, in every instance of two different peoples living together. Forced assimilation most often just conquest and subjugation by another name. That is probably too complex for you to understand. but I disagree....I think given that all people are the same, assimilation always occurs or is in the process to a final merging of all peoples everywhere. Its what homo sapiens does....{!#%@} anything that moves, including rain puddles. The dna homogenizes and races ultimately die out. Same with cultures, the world turning Hollywood.

I'll say again for emPHAsis: "I see no excuse for one group getting special privileges over any other." Fact is, its people that want to maintain accidental and antiquated notions of "Natives" that are the biggest racists among us.

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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Blueboy13 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:32 pm

wow did ever a group take themselves seriously tho?

On a more upbeat note. i have not got time to go to weekends training etc- but quite fancy myself as shambolic- sorry shaman healer- if if they only came from Syria orginally ( not the most popular destination or orgin right now).

Where as a uk guy do i get my Native American costume or footwear- any body decluteering?
I think i could dance a good jig and garlge some semi sonourous note.

because i would be very real and authentic I would not charge a bean! but I could put up an http so folk could send me love donations and gifts- or could I- maybe that s against T&C's.

I have thought of a few chants and shapes to cure arthritis and common colds ( a real plague and scourge on our land).

Now need a good video crew to make it viable

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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Poodle » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:58 pm

Good grief! Never judge a group by its members (Rule 4859c).

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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby ReynaldoF » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:18 pm

Al Carroll wrote:No, I'm not the owner. No one is or ever has been.


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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby ReynaldoF » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:25 pm

IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
David Anthony Yeagley,
Plaintiff,
v.
Cinda Hughes, and
Brent M Davids, and
Alton C Carroll Jr, and
University Of Nebraska, and
University Of Nebraska Press,
Amazon.com Inc., and
Google Inc., and
Los Angeles Times, and
Independent Media Center, and
Kos Media, LLC,
Defendant. No. CJ-2009-10887
(Civil relief more than $10,000:
LIBEL / SLANDER)

Filed: 11/04/2009


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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby ReynaldoF » Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:39 pm

It's interesting that it's solely been Nuage imposters and exploiters we expose who claim I'm not Native. No one else, not Natives, not the schools where I studied American Indian Studies under very prestigious Native professors, not the Fulbright, not the colleges where I've taught or university presses who publish me, not the numerous Native activists I work with, including American Indian Movement members and chapters, and members of tribal gov'ts.


You are not federally enrolled as a Native American in any tribe, you have no connection to the Mecalero Apache tribe you claim to be a part of, The tribe does not acknowledge Alton 'Al' Carroll, and neither do any individual members. Real Native Americans can quickly point to their ancestry. You cannot name a single parent, grandparent, g-grandparent or any other person in your family tree of supposed Native ancestry.

Elizabeth Warren is Native according to her Harvard application, same with Taffe Reed at Dartmouth. Other fakes who have been exposed for taking scholarships and monies dedicated to minorities, with no claim to Native ancestry. Just like you Al.

Others have looked at your family tree for you. All four of your grandparents are 'white' on the census in San Antonio TX. Your own court records in Loudon County VA list your race as 'white-caucasian'. Yet you are on film in the 2007 movie Spirits for Sale saying how hard it was for you growing up in San Antonio being called a "red back", "redskin" and a "prairie n*gger". A city of a million people close to Mexico, but people supposedly singled you out as a Native American?

Let's clear up some more of your lies while we're here. Despite your RateMyProfessor entry for Arizona State University, you were never a professor there. Being a TA while you are a student is not the same thing.

St Philips College - an alternative school for adults with jobs, which no longer exists, is the only place you have been employed besides Northern Virginia Community College where you are currently an assistant.

Some of the other fake indians at newagefraud.org include Sky Davis of Massachusetts who falsely claimed she was a member of the Eastern Cherokee in stories about Elizabeth Warren in 2012. Robert Schmidt - a restaurant manager in California who claims to run Pechanga.net and writes a "multicultural comic" about Natives despite having no native ancestry himself. Kathryn Price AKA Nicdhana - the 'Pagan Re-constructionist" nut also from MA. Should I go on Al?

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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Al Carroll » Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:19 pm

"Reynaldo F" is Paul Robin Denton, a Rainbow Family cult leader and convicted serial rapist. I'll let others here decide on his credibility.

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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Al Carroll » Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:23 pm

This is St Phillip's College, which Denton claims doesn't exist. The several thousand students and faculty would be surprised to hear that.
https://www.alamo.edu/spc/
http://www.parsons.com/SiteCollectionIm ... aerial.jpg

It's never been an alternative school. Your delusions are amusing. That a skeptic's forum hosts libel is not.

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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Al Carroll » Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:27 pm

ReynaldoF wrote:IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
David Anthony Yeagley,
Plaintiff,
v.
Cinda Hughes, and
Brent M Davids, and
Alton C Carroll Jr, and
University Of Nebraska, and
University Of Nebraska Press,
Amazon.com Inc., and
Google Inc., and
Los Angeles Times, and
Independent Media Center, and
Kos Media, LLC,
Defendant. No. CJ-2009-10887
(Civil relief more than $10,000:
LIBEL / SLANDER)

Filed: 11/04/2009


more at:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/G ... itted=true


I'm glad you quoted that. The long list of those he sued shows everyone it was all nuisance suits designed to get money.

Of course you didn't point out, or are so poor a researcher you didn't see, that every single suit was THROWN OUT. No one even had to defend themselves in court.

Yeagley was a white supremacist, a eugenics advocate, and associate of a long list of neo Nazis. Your credibility keeps sinking.

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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby Al Carroll » Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:34 pm

Blueboy13 wrote:wow did ever a group take themselves seriously tho?

On a more upbeat note. i have not got time to go to weekends training etc- but quite fancy myself as shambolic- sorry shaman healer- if if they only came from Syria orginally ( not the most popular destination or orgin right now).

Where as a uk guy do i get my Native American costume or footwear- any body decluteering?
I think i could dance a good jig and garlge some semi sonourous note.

because i would be very real and authentic I would not charge a bean! but I could put up an http so folk could send me love donations and gifts- or could I- maybe that s against T&C's.

I have thought of a few chants and shapes to cure arthritis and common colds ( a real plague and scourge on our land).

Now need a good video crew to make it viable


Thanks for bringing some humor to this. And yes, there are hundreds of these fraud outfits out there. Mr. Denton/Reynaldo is a leader in one such cult.

We've long thought humor is another way to deal with these cults. Laugh at them to show their lack of credibility.

From the New Age Speak to Plain English Dictionary:

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Nuage to Plain English Dictionary
The Nuage word is listed first in quotations, followed by its translation into plain
English as anyone else would use it. This is often followed by an example of usage, or
note.

“Accepting”
1. Believing what anyone says, no matter how offensive, racist, abusive, or exploitative.
2. Allowing anything, no matter how offensive, racist, abusive, or exploitative.

“Adopted Lakota”
1. A Nuage leader claiming to be a shaman and selling dubious ceremonies for profit
because he saw a sweatlodge once, or briefly spoke to an actual Lakota elder who felt
sorry for him being so spiritually lost.
2. A person who repays the kindness of an actual Lakota elder who felt sorry for them
being so spiritually lost by claiming to be a shaman and selling dubious ceremonies for
profit.
Note: May soon outnumber actual Lakotas.

“All My Relations”
You can hear Nuagers yell this at times. It means, “Let me out of here, its too hot” and
the reply should be “Hey, I haven’t even poured the water yet.”
Note: Many Plains tribes do use this phrase legitimately, but not in the casual and
nonsensical ways used by Nuagers.

“Ancient”
Dates all the way back to the 1960s! Nuage is not old wisdom, that’s for sure.

“Balance”
To stay perfectly balanced means you don’t get angry or sad or happy or joyful.
As in, “We just aren’t going to tell you that to be perfectly balanced you have to be dead,
so we can keep bringing you back for conditioning to help you with your balance
problems while keeping your checking or bank account in our pocket.”

“Celtic”
Among Nuage pretendians, shorthand for a white appropriator (of any Euro ancestry)
who is mimicking Native and/or Asian traditions, but trying to disguise their theft.
Usually the Nuager has never learned a thing about what their ancestors believed, or
what the living Celtic cultures believe and do, or even who their ancestors were. They
assume everyone else is as ignorant as they are, so as a white person, they can make up
anything and call it “Celtic.”
Important Note: “Celtic” is actually a language grouping. Surviving Celtic cultures are
those who still speak a Celtic language. In traditional communities, “Celtic” is used by
people who are working for cultural preservation in the Six Celtic Nations and the
diaspora. Nuagers rarely know these communities exist.

“Ceremony”
An expensive costume show. Comes in two flavors: ridiculous or racist, but since you’re
feeling greedy anyway, why not go for swirl: ridiculous AND racist.

“Cherokee”
The only Indian nation many Nuagers can actually name.
Note: Most whites who believe they have Cherokee ancestry actually do not. They more
likely have distant Black ancestry, and the family made up the Cherokee lie to hide their
shame during our nation’s deeply racist past. It’s a running joke among Indians that so
many whites think they have Cherokee in them, every Cherokee woman would have had
to be married to eight white men.

“Cherokee Princess”
A fictitious woman used often by Nuagers and other racists to justify their demands.
As in, “My great great grandpa was a Cherokee Princess so I have the right to say and
take whatever I want.”
A good comeback line from actual Cherokees to the Cherokee princess statement:
“We have a Cherokee princess in the family too, but we don’t like to talk about HIM.”
“Co-create”
Usually used in the sentence, “We co-create our own reality.”
No clue what it means. Besides being Nuage babbledygook.

“Descendent”
Shows up a lot in some fakes advertising about themselves: Michael Runswithfrauds,
Hopi Tibetan Ceremony Teacher. Come smoke a peace pipe and develop your powers of
Tantric karmic wisdom from a real-life Cherokee descendant. “I once attended a
teaching by His Holiness the Dalai Lama, so I’m a wisdom-bearer for that tradition, too!
I heard of the Dawes Roll, so you know I’m legit!”

“Donations”
To leader, workshop, teacher, guru...etc...
As in, “Yes you are donating but we will set the price that has to be donated so you don’t
have to hurt your brain about what is enough, or not enough, or whether it’s an actual
donation, or if we are just scamming you. And we can tell the IRS it was a gift rather
than having to declare it as income.”

“Earth Astrology”
A belief that a faux system with stereotyped “Indian names” for months is somehow
Native, and not European with pseudo-Native names tacked on.

“Elder”
1. Anyone old who will indulge the fantasies of clueless upper middle class white
suburbanites for profit.
2. Confusing “elder” with “elderly.”
Note: Actual Native elders are chosen by consensus by Native communities for their
wisdom and service to their people. They do not charge for ceremonies, do not prostitute
their traditions, and they serve their own communities, not clueless outsiders.

“Energy”
Subjective feeling or perception mistaken for external force or principle.
As in, “Mmmm, yeah, there were some really good energies in the sweatlodge last
night.”
Or as in, “This chunk of quartz I paid two hundred dollars for channels extremely
powerful energies from the star-beings.”
Often said to critics: “I’m feeling some really dark energies from you!” (That is, “You
popped my bliss-bubble! Oh no, painful reality is intruding! Ouch! Help!”)
Another Nuage usage: “Money’s just an energy.” (As in, “I want your money”).
Could also be used as a defense: “There were really bad energies yesterday!”
Meaning: “I am totally NOT responsible for anything I do or say!”

“Evolved”
The racist claim of Nuagers that their haphazard collection of bits and pieces of
indigenous beliefs mixed with “Noble Savage” stereotypes are somehow a “more
advanced” version of Native spirituality.

“Fear”
Generally, any speech or action which causes a Nuager to feel fear (of ridicule, say) will
be attributed to fear in the person speaking or acting. For example, “You’re just acting
out of fear-consciousness!” means “Shitshitshithohshit they’re on to me!”

“Give”
1. Using force, theft, or threats.
2. Receiving stolen goods.
As in, “The Lakota people gave us the sweat lodge for all to use,” when they really
mean, “Our white shaman pipe carrier told us not to listen to Native protests, and if you
don’t shut up we’ll sue you to try and silence you!”

“Gossip/Calumny/Libel/Slander”
Descriptions for the words of anyone who dares to question the integrity of the leader,
healer, teacher, or guru.

“Harmony”
1. Mindless unquestioning obedience.
2. Censorship, a refusal to allow any questions which are not sufficiently brown-nosing
enough.
As in, “We must keep good group harmony,” when they really mean, “Don’t you dare
point out our blond, blue-eyed white woman from New Jersey is not a reincarnated
Cherokee Mayan crystal skull caretaker like she claims!”

“Hate”
Criticism or disagreement.
A typical exchange:
Native: “I don’t think it’s right for you to exploit our beliefs. Our ways are not for sale.”
Nuager (fumes and foams at the mouth, cannot think or gets words out, then finally
explodes): “YOU ARE JUST FULL OF HATE YOU RED NAZI SAVAGE! Why don‘t
you want to share this with us?! You should just evolve, adapt your primitive ways, help
us save the planet, help us promote harmony and understanding, etc. OTHERWISE
YOU’RE JUST FULL OF HATE!”

“Holistic”
Sloppy.

“Hopi”
As in, “I live in the Southwest and like to keep my stealing, I mean, sacred secret ancient
wisdom-learning, local.”

“Indigenous European”
1. A racist, either of the hard-core, Neo-Nazi type (especially in Europe) or of the
“kinder, gentler racist” variety in America and Canada: non-Natives who want to pretend
they have also suffered oppression because they’ve become neo-pagans as adults.
2. See “Celtic”

“Initiation”
A cult leader/senior member or guru having sex with vulnerable/brainwashed women,
supposedly to confer magical skills or to “burn bad karma” or to “purify the body of bad
spirits/bad energy.”

“Jealous”
Sane and wise to my BS.
As in, my critics are just “jealous.”

“Judging”
Using common sense, reasoning, or facts. Meant as an insult or putdown to imply
thinking is something that only mean-spirited people do, or used to defend their own
ignorance and gullibility.
As in, “I don’t judge like you do,” meaning, “I don’t use common sense, reasoning, or
facts, that’s something only mean people do.”
Or as in, “Don’t you dare judge me because I believe Atlantis, UFOs, and the Bulgarian
Dance of Life are really Cherokee traditions!”

“Judgmental”
1. Showing any sense at all.
2. Pointing out any contradictions in what a speaker says.

“Karma”
1. Why you should not complain when we abuse you in every imaginable way or when
the herbal remedies we recommend for your cancer are ineffective. You obviously did
bad stuff in a past life so you deserve all the suffering get in this one.
2. My “teachers” are a real cosmopolitan bunch.

“Kirtan”
Asian Indian, American Indian: it’s all Indian “ceremony,” am I right? $400, please.
“Lakota”
I’m totally legit! I can name more than one nation.

“Love”
In the simplistic psychology of the new age, there are only two emotions: love and fear
(See “Fear.”)
It’s very important for Nuagers to maintain at all times the perception that their actions
are motivated by “love,” usually “unconditional love for all beings.” Their often
egregious failure to live up to these lofty heights never prevents them from demanding
that critics show them unconditional love.

“Love Offering”
Nuage for, “I am charging for this and you had better not question it.”

“Me”
For Nuagers, the center of the universe.

“Metis”
When a Nuager claims some kind of distant American Indian ancestry, but doesn’t want
to be around actual Indians because he knows his Nuage ways won’t be accepted since
they are obviously phony and destructive of Native traditions.
Note: The actual Métis are a distinct, recognized, mixedblood Native community in
Canada with a distinct culture. The term does NOT mean anyone mixed, as Nuage
exploiters and imposters claim.

“Mid Life Crisis”
Usually the turning point when a Nuage fraud begins taking an interest in “spiritual”
matters and traditions.
As in, “I spent the first half of my life as a typical product of the consumer culture,
buying into the consumerist and colonialist values of the dominant demographic. Then
suddenly, I decided to become all ‘spiritual.’ That is when I decided to invade the world
of spiritual traditions by redirecting the ‘energies’ of my capitalistic, colonialist and
consumerist mindset.”

“Negative”
1. Anything which makes a Nuager feel uncomfortable, such as the presence of people
who are able to think rationally, is thought of as negative. This is a favorite rhetorical
device of the Nuager when replying to critics. “You’re being really negative!”
2. Any attitude other then unquestioning faith and belief in the leader or master

“Neo-Indigenous”
1. Oxymoronic term beloved of racist appropriators who believe they can choose to
become Indigenous. Nuagers spouting this nonsense usually also believe they can
declare themselves Elders (and have in many cases done so).
2. See “Indigenous European”

“Non Ordinary Reality”
1. Term coined by Michael Harner, anthropologist turned snake-oil salesman, for the
world of spirits that students of his “core shamanism” supposedly learn to travel in.
2. A spiritual version of Disneyland: expensive, cheesy, populated by cartoon creatures
(see “Power Animal”). Unlike at the real Disneyland, the men who conduct tourists
around the Non Ordinary Reality are allowed facial hair.

“Part Apache”
A claim made usually by very fair skinned, fair haired Anglos whose families never
lived anywhere near the Southwest. See Penny McKelvey AKA “Oshinnah Fastwolf.”

“Part Indian”
A sure sign that someone claiming to have Indian ancestry was never raised in Native
traditions. Actual mixedblood Natives do not say they are “part” this and that, but simply
“are” from this and that peoples. E.g. they would say, “I’m Cherokee and white” not
“I’m part Cherokee.”

“Past Life Regression”
As in, “I was an Indian in a past life so I have the right to steal your ways.”
Or, “There are not enough Indians for all the spirits of Indians to come back into so they
are coming back into white bodies this time around.”
A Native comeback to the claim of white Nuagers claiming to be Indians in a past life:
“You poor man! You must have been very bad in that past life if they punished you by
making you come back as white!”

“Pathetic”
See “Unhappy”

“Positive”
Anything that helps a Nuager feel better about her/himself is thought of as positive.
Therefore, books, “workshops” and so on which confirm a Nuager’s beliefs about the
world and his/her place in it are categorized as “positive” experiences.
See also “Negative”

“Power Animal”
1. The Nuage version of an imaginary friend.
2. Misunderstanding Native beliefs in animal spirits as guides, Nuagers diminish the
practice into silly fantasy role-playing.
Note: Naturally Nuagers never choose insects, small animals, or non-cute animals, and
even will choose non-existent animals such as dragons or unicorns.

“Process”
A half-assed plan.

“Racist”
Anyone who disagrees with Nuage exploitation of Natives. Said most often and most
fervently by those who have never experienced actual racism.

“Rainbow Prophecies” or “Rainbow Ways”
Assimilation of Native cultures, people, and spirituality into white/Anglo/western
society disguised as diversity or tolerance.

“Respect”
1. As in, “We have to show each other respect, after all, we´re one big family. Mitakuye
Oyasin.”
Meaning: “All yours is mine!”
2. Idealizing Indians and other “primitive” people, which as Alice Beck Kehoe points
out , “... is no less dehumanizing and disrespectful than demonizing them as bloodthirsty
savages.” (Kehoe, “Shamans and Religion,” p. 102. See “Shamanic Journey” for full
citation).
3. Subservient, non-critical attitude to Nuagers’ appropriation of Indian spiritual
practices.
As in, a Nuager saying, “I had hoped we could have a respectful conversation.”
This means, “You disagreed with me and I cannot tolerate that. I will remain in this
huffy state until you back down. If you continue to disagree with me I will throw an
almighty hissy fit.”

“Sacred Sex”
The Nuage way of appeasing guilt over sex by charging gullible people money to do it
in the context of a ceremony of dubious origin. Usually includes less socially accepted
sexual practices like homosexuality/bisexuality, self-sodomy/wanking, and downright
deviant practices like chickenhawking/pedophilia.

“Secret”
1. Some {!#%@} I made up.
2. Some {!#%@} I made up that I will pretend is some super duper secret American Indian or
Asian ritual, don’t ya know I’m special?

“Shaman”
1. Anyone who sets themselves up as a dispenser of allegedly sacred ceremonies for
profit to a clueless wealthy and upper middle class white suburbanite market. Usually
trained in a “lengthy” or “advanced” weekend seminar by a similar dispenser of
allegedly sacred ceremonies for profit.
2. An attempt to claim that indigenous healers who train for decades to selflessly serve
their own communities are somehow the same as dispensers of dubious ceremonies for
profit to clueless wealthy and upper middle class white suburbanites.
Note: Actual Natives do not use the term “shaman” for their medicine people. Anyone
claiming to be a Native shaman is an imposter.

“Spiritual” in the way that the Beatles were spiritual, not the way that Augustine of
Hippo was spiritual.

“Sharing”
Stealing, taking, or theft.
As in, “We are sharing these wonderful Native ceremonies,” when they actually mean,
“We have taken these ceremonies without asking Native people’s permission and in spite
of repeated requests to stop, and we are so self involved, we would not stop no matter
what anyone says.”

“Spirit Guide”
As in, “I waited in line at Starbucks behind this lady with a giant toucan pin on her shirt,
so now your spirit guide is the toucan. $400, please.”

“Spiritual Tourism”
When Nuagers travel to Latin America to pay large sums of cash for dubious ceremonies
because:
A. They’ve seen American Indians do things like drive cars and use computers, and they
want a fantasy of Indians as still living in the past.
B. Native protests of pseudo-shamans in the US spoil the fantasy for them.
C. They know even less about Latin American Indians than they do about the ones in the
US and Canada, so nonsense like “Four Agreements” or “Cosmic Convergence” seems
believable to them.
D. They are unable to tell the difference between a mestizo and an Indian.
E. All of the above.
Yes, it’s E, all of the above.

“Tantra”
As in, “I’m doing this to get laid – from people who are paying me!

“Teacher”
1. An imaginary friend. Many Nuage frauds who claim to have been taught by a Native
teacher completely make them up.
2. Some fraud who’s more famous than me. Most exploiters “franchise.”

“Totem”
See “Power Animal.”
Note: Actual Native totems can be either tattoos or the famous totem poles of Northwest
Coast cultures.

“Tradition”
All of the above, wrapped in an expensive little package, just for you, brave warrior!

“Tribe”
1. A Nuage cult gathered around a domineering leader whose main concerns are power
and profit.
2. A loose gathering of unrelated Nuagers, pagans, or wannabes with no common
descent, heritage, or sacred homelands who kid themselves that wanting to be a tribe
somehow makes you a tribe.

“Twinkie”
A silly fluffy type of person who confuses cutesy snugly versions of spirituality with
actual tribal traditions.
Note: If a Nuager is offended by this humorous mildly teasing term being used to
describe them, chances are they ARE a Twinkie.

“Unhappy”
A claim that is a favorite personal attack tactic of Nuagers, based on the flimsiest
attempts at pop psychology diagnosis, used against any critic of Nuage, and often
projecting their own inner turmoil onto the critic.
As in, “You must be a very pathetic, unhappy individual to criticize my shamanistic pipe
keeper Chief Silly Name. Before I met him I was alcoholic and suicidal because I found
out I was dying from cancer.”

“Teaching Plants”
1. Recreational or psychedelic drugs.
2. Marijuana.
3. Peyote.
4. Hallucinogenic mushrooms.

“Warm regards”
Plain English: “F*** you!”
Often used by exploiters when signing emails or responding to their critics.

“Warrior”
A clueless Castaneda cult member who does Tai Chi exercises with pseudo-Mayan
names.

“Way of a Warrior”
Believing that being a clueless Castaneda cult member doing Tai Chi exercises with
pseudo-Mayan names somehow makes you a “warrior.”

“Workshop”
1. A semi-formal seminar or tutorial where Nuagers exchange money for the chance to
feel “spiritual.”
2. Borrowed from the acting profession: nothing at all to do with producing useful
material goods.
3. Anthropologist Galina Lindquist described a shamanism workshop:
“...An exercise in virtual reality like a number of similar others in the post-modern
world. Notable examples are Internet dating, Dungeons-and-Dragons role playing,
Living History performances, and psycho therapeutic seances, to name just a few.”

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Re: New Age Fraud

Postby dralcarroll » Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:41 am

Al Carroll wrote:
Of course you didn't point out, or are so poor a researcher you didn't see, that every single suit was THROWN OUT. No one even had to defend themselves in court.




Why lie about something so easy to disprove? The Oklahoma Court link shows the decisions. The charges against the companies were dismissed. However, the case against the individuals named continued for six years and resulted in a "final judgement, no jury trial". The entry for the trial lists "all parties present". Except of course the original plaintiff who passed on during the six years it took to complete this case.



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