Dragon's EGG by Robert L Forward

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Dragon's EGG by Robert L Forward

Postby psychiatry is a scam » Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:50 am

near the end of the story - what happened after the glass exploded ?

and why was it unfortunate ???
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Postby Gord » Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:19 am

:| What just happened?
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Re: Dragon's EGG by Robert L Forward

Postby psychiatry is a scam » Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:20 pm

Gord wrote::| What just happened?


guess im gonna have to write my own version of the book - lousy ending
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Re: Dragon's EGG by Robert L Forward

Postby Nikki Nyx » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:10 pm

I never read this one, but it sounds fascinating, so I put it on my list.
What are the facts? Again and again and again-what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what “the stars foretell,” avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable “verdict of history”--what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!
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Re: Dragon's EGG by Robert L Forward

Postby psychiatry is a scam » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:43 am

Nikki Nyx wrote:I never read this one, but it sounds fascinating, so I put it on my list.


I paid 99 cents for the ebook - would not pay more .
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Postby scrmbldggs » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:09 am

Maybe also get the sequel, Starquake.
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Re: Dragon's EGG by Robert L Forward

Postby Gord » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:09 am

:oops: Oh it's a book!

Sorry, I was really lost there yesterday. I thought someone named Robert had laid a dragon egg. :lol: I don't think I even notice the middle initial in the name, because I thought "forward" was a direction. Plus I'm so used to reading "EGG" as the initials for E. Gary Gygax, I think I sprained my brain.
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:10 am

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Nikki Nyx wrote:I never read this one, but it sounds fascinating, so I put it on my list.


I paid 99 cents for the ebook - would not pay more .

I might already have it. I inherited my grandfather's sci-fi library, and have yet to sort it out.
What are the facts? Again and again and again-what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what “the stars foretell,” avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable “verdict of history”--what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!
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Re: Dragon's EGG by Robert L Forward

Postby Gord » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:12 am

According to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon%27 ... troduction

...Much of the book concerns the biologic and social development of the Cheela; a subplot is the arrival of a human vessel nearby the neutron star, and the eventual contact that is made between the humans and the Cheela. A major problem in this contact is that the Cheela live a million times more quickly than humans do; a Cheela year goes by in about 30 human seconds.

The humans arrive when the Cheela are a savage, backward species, fighting rival clans in a subsistence-level society. Within a few human days, the equivalent of a few thousand Cheela years, the Cheela surpass the humans in technology, and the humans are affectionately called "the Slow Ones".

Does that help?
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Re: Dragon's EGG by Robert L Forward

Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:36 am

Nikki Nyx wrote: I might already have it. I inherited my grandfather's sci-fi library, and have yet to sort it out.

I kept my father's collection. Gawdzilla and I seem to have read many of the same 1960's and 1970's Science Fiction short stories.

Bob Gucioone, who owned Penthouse, was trying to get out of printed porn and into science fiction. He started OMNI Science Fiction Magazine and acquired the TV rights for all the short SF stories published in the magazine. My boss, back then, was producing "Beyond 2000" an Australian science magazine TV show and wanted to move into drama. We sat for a month reading every Omni story and wanted to copy the Twilight Zone TV reboot series for cable.

Unfortunately this deal fell through because some skeptic ( not me, but a producer called John Luscombe) suggested he could make a debunk show about urban myths for less money. The show did come out and was called "Mythbusters". (It's Australian, but has American on screen talent, so people think it is American and this increases international sales)
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:02 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:I kept my father's collection. Gawdzilla and I seem to have read many of the same 1960's and 1970's Science Fiction short stories.
I've probably read some of the same too. A few of my all-time favorite shorts...

The Nine Billion Names of God — Arthur Clarke
'Repent, Harlequin!' Said the Ticktockman — Harlan Ellison (I'm an Ellison junkie, but this is my fave.)
Surface Tension — James Blish
Mimsy Were the Borogroves — Lewis Padgett (a pseudonym for Henry Kuttner and C. L. Moore)
The Cold Equations — Tom Godwin
Nightfall — Isaac Asimov
That Hell-Bound Train — Robert Bloch

...off the top of my head.
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Re: Dragon's EGG by Robert L Forward

Postby OlegTheBatty » Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:17 pm

Read it when it was published nearly 40 yrs ago. Enjoyed it because of the physics, but Forward was a lousy writer. Great ideas, crappy characterization and plotting.
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Postby psychiatry is a scam » Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:30 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:Read it when it was published nearly 40 yrs ago. Enjoyed it because of the physics, but Forward was a lousy writer. Great ideas, crappy characterization and plotting.


ok sooo what about my original question .

can you verify what happened at the end - the unfortunate ending .
what do you think happened ?

was their golf ball sized space ship destroyed ? :-(
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OlegTheBatty wrote:Read it when it was published nearly 40 yrs ago. Enjoyed it because of the physics, but Forward was a lousy writer. Great ideas, crappy characterization and plotting.


ok sooo what about my original question .

can you verify what happened at the end - the unfortunate ending .
what do you think happened ?

was their golf ball sized space ship destroyed ? :-(

Sorry, PIAS, it was 40 years ago. I don't remember.
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Re: Dragon's EGG by Robert L Forward

Postby Nikki Nyx » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:01 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:Read it when it was published nearly 40 yrs ago. Enjoyed it because of the physics, but Forward was a lousy writer. Great ideas, crappy characterization and plotting.

Apparently, there was a move to convince Niven to write it, but he was busy with The Mote in God's Eye. The writing probably would have been better, although Niven does have a habit of forgetting what his characters look like, mostly their hair color. He'll start out with a blonde. Two pages later, she's a redhead. Next chapter, she's blonde again. Not sure how this stuff constantly slips past his editors.

Jack Chalker was the same way. He also had the habit of reminding the reader of the back-story by having one character monologue it at another character...who already knew the information. Cheap tactic. Like this: "You remember how blah blah blah..." for a paragraph of detailed text. Chalker had great plots, but he should've gotten someone else to write them.
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Re: Dragon's EGG by Robert L Forward

Postby OlegTheBatty » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:26 pm

Nikki Nyx wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:Read it when it was published nearly 40 yrs ago. Enjoyed it because of the physics, but Forward was a lousy writer. Great ideas, crappy characterization and plotting.

Apparently, there was a move to convince Niven to write it, but he was busy with The Mote in God's Eye. The writing probably would have been better, although Niven does have a habit of forgetting what his characters look like, mostly their hair color. He'll start out with a blonde. Two pages later, she's a redhead. Next chapter, she's blonde again. Not sure how this stuff constantly slips past his editors.

Jack Chalker was the same way. He also had the habit of reminding the reader of the back-story by having one character monologue it at another character...who already knew the information. Cheap tactic. Like this: "You remember how blah blah blah..." for a paragraph of detailed text. Chalker had great plots, but he should've gotten someone else to write them.


It always has been a problem with hard sf. A handful of hard sfers managed to do both - have great ideas and write well. Sturgeon's Law, I guess.

PS: I've always considered Niven mediocre. Ringworlds being cases on point.
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Re: Dragon's EGG by Robert L Forward

Postby Nikki Nyx » Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:18 am

OlegTheBatty wrote:It always has been a problem with hard sf. A handful of hard sfers managed to do both - have great ideas and write well. Sturgeon's Law, I guess.

PS: I've always considered Niven mediocre. Ringworlds being cases on point.

I agree, although I did enjoy his Integral Trees/The Smoke Ring duology, as well as his update of Dante's Inferno, written with Jerry Pournelle and also entitled Inferno. Ringworld was a mess, IMO, from both literary and scientific perspectives.

Chalker upset me the most, because his plots were truly groundbreaking and mindblowing. But his prose was parochial, his characters were immature, and he couldn't write dialogue to save his life. Also, and I know this is nitpicking on my part, every time he listed examples of something, he'd end the list with "you name it." For example, "The garden included all kinds of flowers: roses, lilies, irises, you name it." No idea why, but that grates on me. It's too informal.
What are the facts? Again and again and again-what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what “the stars foretell,” avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable “verdict of history”--what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!
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Re: Dragon's EGG by Robert L Forward

Postby OlegTheBatty » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:44 pm

Nikki Nyx wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:It always has been a problem with hard sf. A handful of hard sfers managed to do both - have great ideas and write well. Sturgeon's Law, I guess.

PS: I've always considered Niven mediocre. Ringworlds being cases on point.

I agree, although I did enjoy his Integral Trees/The Smoke Ring duology, as well as his update of Dante's Inferno, written with Jerry Pournelle and also entitled Inferno. Ringworld was a mess, IMO, from both literary and scientific perspectives.

Chalker upset me the most, because his plots were truly groundbreaking and mindblowing. But his prose was parochial, his characters were immature, and he couldn't write dialogue to save his life. Also, and I know this is nitpicking on my part, every time he listed examples of something, he'd end the list with "you name it." For example, "The garden included all kinds of flowers: roses, lilies, irises, you name it." No idea why, but that grates on me. It's too informal.

The stories Niven co-wrote were better than his own efforts. Integral trees was his best work on his own.

Never read much Chalker, probably because I got the same opinion from the first thing, and thereafter found something else to read.
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