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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:50 am

My wife is watching the Olympics so I'm banished to our room (I'm a football fan, American football).

I pulled out "The Terminator" and watched it for the first time in years.

It actually holds up really well except for the cheesy 80's music. The special effects are a little dated but it's always cool to watch movies with real physical effects rather than computer animation. The Terminator robot is realistic and the make-up effects are incredible. The story is a good one, with Linda Hamilton and Michael Biehn struggling to survive the Terminator played by Arnold Schwarzenegger (absolutely one of his best movies). Arnold's limited acting skills work in his favor in this one (though to be fair his acting improved, True Lies is another favorite).

Altogether a Sci-Fi classic, one of the better movies that I saw in the 80's.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:05 am

Is the latest Terminator Number 4? The story is getting a bit worn with the time tripping a bit tiresome verging on The 12 Monkeys (tv series) but what I liked was the inclusion of scenes (actual or recreated each just as good) from the First One.

I really liked the TV series on Terminator as well. Started strong, then dragged a bit, then picked up quite nicely just before it got canceled.

Why do I think beating the First Terminator was just barely possible and those liquid metal terminators simply impossible to stop?---and I don't care what they filmed.
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Re: The Terminator

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:19 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:I pulled out "The Terminator" and watched it for the first time in years.


It is a good movie. James Cameron came from the world of Roger Corman's B-Grade "el-cheapo" science fiction films. His first science fiction movie was directing special FX for "Battle beyond the Stars" which was a remake of the Magnificent Seven, already a remake of the Seven Samurai.

I think James Cameron is really clever at nicking elements from earlier B grade films and then converting them into his own high quality science fiction production format. In some ways "The Terminator" is a bit like "Jaws". It is really at bit of a "monster on the loose" movie, with a series of "big scenes" linked together by a dubious plot.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:23 am

Whats dubious about the future sending a killer robot to the past to kill the mother of the leader of the opposition? Its as tight a plot as I can imagine...other than filming a chess match, and who would watch THAT?
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:31 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Is the latest Terminator Number 4? The story is getting a bit worn with the time tripping a bit tiresome verging on The 12 Monkeys (tv series) but what I liked was the inclusion of scenes (actual or recreated each just as good) from the First One.

I really liked the TV series on Terminator as well. Started strong, then dragged a bit, then picked up quite nicely just before it got canceled.

Why do I think beating the First Terminator was just barely possible and those liquid metal terminators simply impossible to stop?---and I don't care what they filmed.


I haven't watched the latest Terminator, it's called Genesys (I think). It's on Amazon Prime so I have it as part of my subscription. I'll watch it eventually.

The TV series was called the "Sara Connor Chronicles," I liked it too.

I think the Terminator franchise suffered the same fate as a lot of franchises, Predator and Alien come quickly to mind, that the idea is fresh to start with but then becomes drawn out money grabs. It seems the first two movies are the best but subsequent sequels (and prequels) suffer an idea "drag." One exception is Alien 3, I know a lot of people that liked it. I own an extended version, called the assembly line version, that is much better than the theatrical cut.

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Re: The Terminator

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:37 am

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:I pulled out "The Terminator" and watched it for the first time in years.


It is a good movie. James Cameron came from the world of Roger Corman's B-Grade "el-cheapo" science fiction films. His first science fiction movie was directing special FX for "Battle beyond the Stars" which was a remake of the Magnificent Seven, already a remake of the Seven Samurai.

I think James Cameron is really clever at nicking elements from earlier B grade films and then converting them into his own high quality science fiction production format. In some ways "The Terminator" is a bit like "Jaws". It is really at bit of a "monster on the loose" movie, with a series of "big scenes" linked together by a dubious plot.


You've mentioned that before, good directors taking B grade movie ideas and making a higher quality film with better budgets. A classic is Alien, let's face it, it's just another "guy in a rubber suit" movie that Ridley turned into a classic with a fantastic story, better budget, a cutting edge artist designing the costume (Giger) and incredible actors/acting.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Aug 07, 2016 3:47 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:I think the Terminator franchise suffered the same fate as a lot of franchises, Predator and Alien come quickly to mind.

Maybe...its an oft repeated notion with only a few exceptions. i like the predator and Alien sequels and most of the Terminators too. I think "the drag" might be that in Terminator they get "cute" with the audience by making references to the earlier films...like "I'll be Back" and so forth. When it works, its great. When it doesn't...it feels like something being overused and worn out?

A franchise like Rocky is hard as its the same character. STar Wars really should be easy to do...they got the whole universe to play with?
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:08 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:I think the Terminator franchise suffered the same fate as a lot of franchises, Predator and Alien come quickly to mind.

Maybe...its an oft repeated notion with only a few exceptions. i like the predator and Alien sequels and most of the Terminators too. I think "the drag" might be that in Terminator they get "cute" with the audience by making references to the earlier films...like "I'll be Back" and so forth. When it works, its great. When it doesn't...it feels like something being overused and worn out?

A franchise like Rocky is hard as its the same character. STar Wars really should be easy to do...they got the whole universe to play with?


I like horror, the problem is that after awhile it turns into a joke. When I was a kid movies like Friday the 13th, Halloween and Nightmare on Elm Street scared me to death. The sequels turned those scares into jokes, though NES retained its quality for awhile before going down hill.

As far as Star Wars, the great thing was that for a long time there were only three movies. Then Lucas tried to revive it with the prequels that only hacked everybody off. Now Disney is putting their spin on it. The first entry was pretty good, I just wish the quality continues to improve rather than go down hill. History seems to argue against that happening.

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Re: The Terminator

Postby Gord » Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:17 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:...Arnold's limited acting skills work in his favor in this one (though to be fair his acting improved, True Lies is another favorite....

Yeah but they were all bad.
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Re: The Terminator

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:33 pm

Gord wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:...Arnold's limited acting skills work in his favor in this one (though to be fair his acting improved, True Lies is another favorite....

Yeah but they were all bad.


Well, Arnold's not Jack Nicholson but, hey, his movies are never boring.

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Re: The Terminator

Postby Gord » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:47 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Gord wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:...Arnold's limited acting skills work in his favor in this one (though to be fair his acting improved, True Lies is another favorite....

Yeah but they were all bad.


Well, Arnold's not Jack Nicholson but, hey, his movies are never boring.

:lol:

Yeah, but his cat was a major problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6ijwF8NROU
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:47 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:You've mentioned that before, good directors taking B grade movie ideas and making a higher quality film with better budgets. A classic is Alien, let's face it, it's just another "guy in a rubber suit" movie that Ridley turned into a classic with a fantastic story, better budget, a cutting edge artist designing the costume (Giger) and incredible actors/acting.
Conan the Barbarian (1982), again with Arnold Schwarzenegger, came out around the same time as the Terminator. This was a re-birthing of the B-grade 1940 Conan book adventure series, from the 1930's.

It was an attempt to reintroduce "sword and sandals" as a popular genre and although the film is good, the genre didn't kick off. However, here we are, 35 years later, and "Game of Thrones" is the most downloaded series on Television.


I think that there must be endless old B-grade movies and genres that a brave studio could dig up and make into high quality block busters. I think they do do this all the time but the films are flops so we don't hear about them.

My list of potential block buster remakes :D

"Francis the Talking Mule series (1940)"
(US President Clinton is advised by a talking, Democrat mascot, donkey that is stabled in the White House, and avoids nuclear war with China, when the donkey wins an international horse race in Happy Valley, Hong Kong.)


It a Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad World (1963)
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The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920) and Sybil (1976)
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Re: The Terminator

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:52 am

Gord wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Gord wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:...Arnold's limited acting skills work in his favor in this one (though to be fair his acting improved, True Lies is another favorite....

Yeah but they were all bad.


Well, Arnold's not Jack Nicholson but, hey, his movies are never boring.

:lol:

Yeah, but his cat was a major problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6ijwF8NROU


Ok, loved the YouTube video but I opened it just as one of my kids walked in...... :oops:

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Re: The Terminator

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Gord wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Gord wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:...Arnold's limited acting skills work in his favor in this one (though to be fair his acting improved, True Lies is another favorite....

Yeah but they were all bad.


Well, Arnold's not Jack Nicholson but, hey, his movies are never boring.

:lol:

Yeah, but his cat was a major problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6ijwF8NROU


Ok, loved the YouTube video but I opened it just as one of my kids walked in...... :oops:

Oops.

Wait, skeptics are allowed to have kids?! :shock: Why was I not informed thusly!?
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:01 am

We NEED skeptics to have kids so that guys like Rizoli don't inherit the earth.

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Postby Gord » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:06 am

Ohhhhh. Finally, a plan I can get behind!

Okay, send me a woman and a girly magazine and I'll get to work right away. On second thought, I'm a little behind schedule, so send me two women. Ummm, and two girly magazines.
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Re: The Terminator

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Gord wrote:Ohhhhh. Finally, a plan I can get behind!

Okay, send me a woman and a girly magazine and I'll get to work right away. On second thought, I'm a little behind schedule, so send me two women. Ummm, and two girly magazines.


:lol:

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Magazines......very old school!!!!!!!


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His computer died... :posting:
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What?? Are you trying to suggest that there's girly pictures on the internets now???
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Um, yes, there were... for a short time. While your machine was out...









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Gord wrote: On second thought, I'm a little behind schedule, so send me two women. Ummm, and two girly magazines.
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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Gord wrote: On second thought, I'm a little behind schedule, so send me two women. Ummm, and two girly magazines.
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Is that the Russian Michael Jackson?
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Gord wrote: Is that the Russian Michael Jackson?


No that's a very attractive Russian army woman, who knows how to whack 5.45mm into her chamber and watch things go off.

All she has to do is drive her tank past you and wave in your direction........and you will become besotted
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Re: The Terminator

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:28 am

Gord wrote:Is her name Mikhail Jackson?


Майкл Джексон

Michael, like Matthew is a Russian saint, so we have Russian Christian names. ( I'm Мэтью or met'yu)

I don't know why "Jackson" has a Russian spelling that isn't totally phonetic. I can't find a cover of a Michael Jackson album, released in Russia in Russian language to check.

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Genisys iz the 5th Terminator movie. Its the first wun that wuznt great in my opinion.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:05 am

JO 753 wrote:Genisys iz the 5th Terminator movie. Its the first wun that wuznt great in my opinion.


Haven't seen that one yet but it's on Prime Video.

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Postby Austin Harper » Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:58 am

This may be heresy but the first one holds up better than T2 in my opinion.
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Austin Harper wrote:This may be heresy but the first one holds up better than T2 in my opinion.


I'm watching T2 right now.

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Austin Harper wrote:This may be heresy but the first one holds up better than T2 in my opinion.


I'm watching T2 right now.

Because I'm a sap for dump bin DVD's, I bought the two disc T2 set after not having seen it in something like 26 years. Goldang, but Edward Furlongs' voice is annoying and his hair cut reminds me of Daria's friends do.

Still better than the third though.

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BaaBaa wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Austin Harper wrote:This may be heresy but the first one holds up better than T2 in my opinion.


I'm watching T2 right now.

Because I'm a sap for dump bin DVD's, I bought the two disc T2 set after not having seen it in something like 26 years. Goldang, but Edward Furlongs' voice is annoying and his hair cut reminds me of Daria's friends do.

Still better than the third though.



The first two are classics, the last few, not so much.

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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:10 pm

Saw them both first run. Had to go to that storm drain and take a ride after the second movie. LA gave up trying to keep that gate locked. The bridge they go over in the run at the end of the movie lead directly to the Long Beach Naval Shipyard. I parked my bike across the street from there.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:14 pm

I saw the second Terminator in the theater, the first one on VHS.
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Postby Lausten » Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:22 pm

Not sure what you could call a spoiler in here, but some might see it that way.

I can't figure out what the fuss is about with these movies. The idea of machines taking over is a theme that has not lost any steam since T1. The Terminator series has managed to keep it's story line fairly solid, without simply repeating it. Obviously, it's an action film, so you either want that or you don't. It's got the non-emotional robot trying to fake emotions, always good. It's got the moral questions of being good by using violence to fight evil. They deal with that in every one of the series and they don't dwell on it or get all Zen philosophical like Matrix does. Instead, they have fun with it, like when the new Connor/Terminator walks in and they just start shooting at him, and he says, "Oh come on, what's with you guys and the guns all the time?" And the evil is not just pure evil, SkyNet is made by us, trying to improve ourselves by technology, but not knowing how to handle it. As timeless as Icarus.

T3 featured the teen John Connor, and I was worried they'd go in that direction. T4 broke that mold by showing us the future and a whole new type of android. T5 looks like a reboot, they can take it in the direction of this entity that lives in the internet and can change timelines, they can even kill off Sarah Connor and claim John already exists so she doesn't have to give birth to him, again, or they could go back to Sarah's childhood.

Hot tip: Watch T5 all the way to the end of the credits.
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Re: The Terminator

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:39 pm

I realize it's an old theme, it's just done really well.

I watch movies for the pure fun of it, the joy of storytelling.

My reading habits are the complete opposite, I only read history now.

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Re: The Terminator

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:12 pm

Lausten wrote: I can't figure out what the fuss is about with these movies. The idea of machines taking over is a theme that has not lost any steam since T1. .


Matthew's Piss weak list of earlier Terminator influences.
Isn't the Terminator sort of a remake of Frankenstein? (Man makes man like thing, who then turns on man)

But isn't Terminator really sort of like The Forbin Project? (Man makes computer that is smarter than man, that adopts a human voice and takes over all nuclear weapons)

Then again, isn't the terminator absolutely really like the Energizer battery TV commercial? (Man makes annoying pink rabbit that plays drums and the rabbit never stops, never gives up until it is finally destroyed?)
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"It's just a movie."
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Re: The Terminator

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:10 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:"It's just a movie."
Annoyingly, I thought I had the greatest idea for a movie ever. I was going to have a mad bloke who thought that every movie or TV show, he saw, was actually a documentary. Wacky mayhem and poignant moments would ensue.

Annoyingly "Nurse Betty" with Renée Zellweger beat me to it. ( and it was pretty average)
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Postby Lausten » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:30 pm

Does a movie have to have a completely unique theme to be considered great?
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:36 pm

Lausten wrote:Does a movie have to have a completely unique theme to be considered great?

That would cancel out any "great" estimation of sequels, wouldn't it?
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