This is incontrovertible proof that God is evil. God does not live by his own golden rule.

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Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:29 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:I think she might be quite young as compare to you and I. That or just not bright enough to know how to dialog properly.
I think this is just a case of another Christian spamming about God, who gets no attention on Christian forums so she spams her religious crap here, on a science forum, where she gets attention. She's exactly the same as Gorgeous, the Trump fans and the holocaust deniers.

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Postby Gnostic Bishop » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:05 am

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Gnostic Bishop wrote:I think she might be quite young as compare to you and I. That or just not bright enough to know how to dialog properly.
I think this is just a case of another Christian spamming about God, who gets no attention on Christian forums so she spams her religious crap here, on a science forum, where she gets attention. She's exactly the same as Gorgeous, the Trump fans and the holocaust deniers.


I hear you and do not disagree.

Then again, it is healthy for the lurkers to see their inadequacies as it bolster the more intelligent and logical views.

They think they are helping their cause while hurting it.

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Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:36 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:They think they are helping their cause while hurting it.
I don't think the member "Angel" cares about anyone else other than "Angel". My cat knows more about Bible than Angel.

It's pure and simple trolling to get personal attention. At school she would have been in class, making farting noises to get attention.
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Postby Angel » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:26 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Angel wrote:Have you ever experienced ~ when something speaks to you? Then you just had to have it. I am like that with knowledge and words.
In reality, you can't spell basic word like "whether" and your posts are incoherent and make no sense.

Angel wrote:I find knowledge in the bible when read either way as I am able & willing to adapt.

What knowledge did you gain from the Bible concerning your "God" killing all innocent children in the flood? Would that be How to commit genocide? :lol:


Have you even read the bible?
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Postby Angel » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:28 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Gnostic Bishop wrote:They think they are helping their cause while hurting it.
I don't think the member "Angel" cares about anyone else other than "Angel". My cat knows more about Bible than Angel.

It's pure and simple trolling to get personal attention. At school she would have been in class, making farting noises to get attention.
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Postby Angel » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:33 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:M E

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I think she might be quite young as compare to you and I.

That or just not bright enough to know how to dialog properly.

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I sure hope so!!!!
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Postby scrmbldggs » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:44 pm

Angel wrote:
Angel wrote:I find knowledge in the bible when read either way as I am able & willing to adapt.
Matthew Ellard wrote:What knowledge did you gain from the Bible concerning your "God" killing all innocent children in the flood? Would that be How to commit genocide? :lol:


Have you even read the bible?

Angel, among those who discuss those texts here, you might find more that actually have read - if not in depth studied - them than in any church group or among those who'd beat down your door using that book...

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Postby Gnostic Bishop » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:45 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
Angel wrote:
Angel wrote:I find knowledge in the bible when read either way as I am able & willing to adapt.
Matthew Ellard wrote:What knowledge did you gain from the Bible concerning your "God" killing all innocent children in the flood? Would that be How to commit genocide? :lol:


Have you even read the bible?

Angel, among those who discuss those texts here, you might find more that actually have read - if not in depth studied - them than in any church group or among those who'd beat down your door using that book...


Which bible. There are quite the number of Christian sects and they all read their bible differently be they the same one or not.

As with slavery, some get a go ahead from scriptures while other see anti-slavery.

Some Christian sects say that gays and women are all equal to everyone else while most sects are homophobic and misogynous.

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Re: This is incontrovertible proof that God is evil. God does not live by his own golden rule.

Postby scrmbldggs » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:59 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
Angel wrote:
Angel wrote:I find knowledge in the bible when read either way as I am able & willing to adapt.
Matthew Ellard wrote:What knowledge did you gain from the Bible concerning your "God" killing all innocent children in the flood? Would that be How to commit genocide? :lol:


Have you even read the bible?

Angel, among those who discuss those texts here, you might find more that actually have read - if not in depth studied - them than in any church group or among those who'd beat down your door using that book...


Which bible. There are quite the number of Christian sects and they all read their bible differently be they the same one or not.

As with slavery, some get a go ahead from scriptures while other see anti-slavery.

Some Christian sects say that gays and women are all equal to everyone else while most sects are homophobic and misogynous.

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I didn't specify any single one since, to the best of my knowledge, those who study that subject earnestly don't adhere to one interpretation but look at all available copies, unless they're taking an interest in one specific version and its history.

As for me, just the fact alone that at some time some decided to combine the mishmash into an even more contradictory version (and even now make changes as discoveries or want and need suit), simply cracks me up to no end...

I understand that you think highly of the teachings you considered valid. I, otoh, find all of it an often amusing and at other times horrifying example of human thought, frailty and uncertainty and inventiveness. To allay fears, or to lift oneself up to special status...

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Re: This is incontrovertible proof that God is evil. God does not live by his own golden rule.

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:58 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
Angel wrote:
Angel wrote:I find knowledge in the bible when read either way as I am able & willing to adapt.
Matthew Ellard wrote:What knowledge did you gain from the Bible concerning your "God" killing all innocent children in the flood? Would that be How to commit genocide? :lol:


Have you even read the bible?

Angel, among those who discuss those texts here, you might find more that actually have read - if not in depth studied - them than in any church group or among those who'd beat down your door using that book...


Which bible. There are quite the number of Christian sects and they all read their bible differently be they the same one or not.

As with slavery, some get a go ahead from scriptures while other see anti-slavery.

Some Christian sects say that gays and women are all equal to everyone else while most sects are homophobic and misogynous.

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I didn't specify any single one since, to the best of my knowledge, those who study that subject earnestly don't adhere to one interpretation but look at all available copies, unless they're taking an interest in one specific version and its history.

As for me, just the fact alone that at some time some decided to combine the mishmash into an even more contradictory version (and even now make changes as discoveries or want and need suit), simply cracks me up to no end...

I understand that you think highly of the teachings you considered valid. I, otoh, find all of it an often amusing and at other times horrifying example of human thought, frailty and uncertainty and inventiveness. To allay fears, or to lift oneself up to special status...


I do think highly of those teachings I have embraced, no argument, but as an Gnostic Christian and free thinkers and esoteric ecumenists who is always seeking God, God as defined as the best rules and laws to live life by, I am always ready to drop an inferior law to a superior one.

I think it healthy to let my thinking evolve along with the rest of the world. Even after my apotheosis, I set aside the God I found, raised the bar of excellence and seek anew.

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Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:14 pm

Angel wrote:Have you even read the bible?
Yes. That is how I knew you were making up stories from the Bible that weren't actually in it. :lol:

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Postby Abdul Alhazred » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:57 am

On the subject of slavery --

Old Testament:
Permitted. Ordained by God.
Carefully regulated, never permanent or hereditary, so not as bad as Roman or ante-bellum USA slavery.

New Testament:
Just assumes Roman style slavery exists (without explicitly saying ordained by God) and tells masters and slaves how to behave.
1) Be a nice master.
2) Be an obedient slave, but not when it comes to violating religious morality.

Not all that "revolutionary" from the point of view of the time, let alone now.

Take THAT, liberal Christians. :pr:
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Postby Angel » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:42 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
Angel wrote:
Angel wrote:I find knowledge in the bible when read either way as I am able & willing to adapt.
Matthew Ellard wrote:What knowledge did you gain from the Bible concerning your "God" killing all innocent children in the flood? Would that be How to commit genocide? :lol:


Have you even read the bible?

Angel, among those who discuss those texts here, you might find more that actually have read - if not in depth studied - them than in any church group or among those who'd beat down your door using that book...


Honestly that's what I was hoping but I have
yet to see proof.
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Postby Angel » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:44 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
Angel wrote:
Angel wrote:I find knowledge in the bible when read either way as I am able & willing to adapt.
Matthew Ellard wrote:What knowledge did you gain from the Bible concerning your "God" killing all innocent children in the flood? Would that be How to commit genocide? :lol:


Have you even read the bible?

Angel, among those who discuss those texts here, you might find more that actually have read - if not in depth studied - them than in any church group or among those who'd beat down your door using that book...


Which bible. There are quite the number of Christian sects and they all read their bible differently be they the same one or not.

As with slavery, some get a go ahead from scriptures while other see anti-slavery.

Some Christian sects say that gays and women are all equal to everyone else while most sects are homophobic and misogynous.

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Postby Lausten » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:58 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Lausten wrote:
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
If you are not going to read scriptures literally, then there is no God or Jesus either.

And if you are going to read the scriptures literally enough to believe in a real Jesus, then you have to indicate how much of the bible to scrap and how much is truth.

Good luck with that kind of chintzy apologetics.

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Just what does "read the scriptures literally" mean anyway? I can see some simple answers, like it literally means God created the world in 6 days. But you run into trouble on page 2 with a slightly different creation story. Or if you take the 683 laws literally, how do you handle the contradictions, not to mention the various covenants, however many there are. And there are no literal instructions for getting to heaven.

I like Majid Nawaaz's term "vacuous" reading. It implies that you are reading an isolated passage with no sense of the context, not even of the other canonical scripture that came before it, let alone the historical context, the translations, the copy errors, etc.


I hear you.

I think that vacuous reading are good words to describe what believers are doing when reading their holy books.

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Postby Gnostic Bishop » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:10 pm

I do not believe in the supernatural.

Those who read vacuously do.

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Postby gorgeous » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:46 pm

what is supernatural? non-physical beings and dimensions?
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Postby Gnostic Bishop » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:10 pm

gorgeous wrote:what is supernatural? non-physical beings and dimensions?


Those as well as talking serpents and donkeys and water walking men.

I would include the delusion that a God would condemn souls and then turn around and die in their stead. That is not supernatural so much as pure idiocy.

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Postby gorgeous » Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:51 pm

you know...scientists are actually learning that non-physical dimensions do exist...don't you? and the bible has been edited many times. and distorted.......there is a great deal of allegory and symbolism in there, too...-------and the CIA seem to be believers...---- From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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According to author Gordon Thomas' 2007 book, Secrets and Lies, the CIA's Operation Often was also initiated by the chief of the CIA's Technical Services Branch, Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, to "explore the world of black magic" and "harness the forces of darkness and challenge the concept that the inner reaches of the mind are beyond reach". As part of Operation Often, Dr. Gottlieb and other CIA employees visited with and recruited fortune-tellers, palm-readers, clairvoyants, astrologists, mediums, psychics, specialists in demonology, witches and warlocks, Satanists, other occult practitioners, and more.[2]
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gorgeous wrote:you know...scientists are actually learning that non-physical dimensions do exist.
Time has been a non physical dimension in physics for 150 years Gorgeous. Didn't you know? :D

The ten other physical dimension, as predicted by string theory have been known since 1974.
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gorgeous wrote:the goal of MKOFTEN was to "test the behavioral and toxicological effects of certain drugs on animals and humans"......
Scopolamine has been used as a truth serum, by intelligence services, since 1922. Didn't you know? :D

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Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Those as well as talking serpents and donkeys and water walking men.

I would include the delusion that a God would condemn souls and then turn around and die in their stead. That is not supernatural so much as pure idiocy.

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And my personal favourite: The Emo pervert demon and the deranged pigs.

"On the other side of the sea, they arrived in the region of the Gerasenes. As soon as Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an unclean spirit came from the tombs and met Him. He had been living in the tombs and could no longer be restrained, even with chains. Though he was often bound with chains and shackles, he had broken the chains and shattered the shackles. Now no one had the strength to subdue him. Night and day in the tombs and in the mountains, he kept crying out and cutting himself with stones."

"There on the nearby hillside a large herd of pigs was feeding. So the demons begged Jesus, “Send us to the pigs, so that we may enter them.” *

"He gave them permission, and the unclean spirits came out and went into the pigs, and the herd of about two thousand rushed down the steep bank into the sea and drowned in the water."

*For once the bible isn't quite clear on this issue, was it the demon's intent to 'know' the pigs as in the biblical sense or merely to take possession of their mental faculties? Also we have a problem with the concept of 'the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few'. Jesus with just one 'Ping' from his all powerful all knowing mind destroys the livelihood of a whole village of Jewish swine herders condemning them all to...... Err hang on a bit, what the {!#%@} are Jews doing with two thousand pigs?
Sigh, it's all sooo confusing. I'm going back to my bible studies.
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gorgeous wrote:you know...scientists are actually learning that non-physical dimensions do exist.
Time has been a non physical dimension in physics for 150 years Gorgeous. Didn't you know? :D

The ten other physical dimension, as predicted by string theory have been known since 1974.
:lol:

-------------there you have it...the 'supernatural ' is real...told ya...
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-------"If quantum mechanics hasn’t profoundly shocked you, you haven’t understood it yet. Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real.” -― Niels Bohr, Essays 1932-1957 on Atomic Physics and Human Knowledge-------------------sounds supernatural to me...
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Matthew Ellard wrote: Time has been a non physical dimension in physics for 150 years Gorgeous. Didn't you know? :D The ten other physical dimension, as predicted by string theory have been known since 1974. :lol:

gorgeous wrote:there you have it...the 'supernatural ' is real...told ya...
String theory is not supernatural Gorgeous. Its a normal scientific theory.

Time as a dimension is also not supernatural, If you had ever gone to school you would have performed basic mathematics including time as a mathematical factor.
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Postby gorgeous » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:26 am

do recall that...not physical......so would be supernatural to ^^^^bishop..
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"If quantum mechanics hasn’t profoundly shocked you, you haven’t understood it yet. Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real.” -― Niels Bohr,

gorgeous wrote:sounds supernatural to me...
Gorgeous, you twit. You don't know what quantum mechanics is. Bohr is referring to quantum mechanics. That's why he uses the words.......quantum mechanics. :lol:

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Everything we call real
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:30 am

gorgeous wrote:do recall that...not physical......
Nope. It time is a dimension, which you didn't know until ten seconds ago, as you never went to school. Time is a mathematical input factor in physics and formulas. :lol:

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Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:32 am

gorgeous wrote:Everything we call real
No. Only things concerning quantum mechanics. . That's why Bohr specifically says quantum mechanics.

Gorgeous? Tell all of us what quantum mechanics is? (You don't have a clue do you?)
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gorgeous wrote:you know...scientists are actually learning that non-physical dimensions do exist...don't you? and the bible has been edited many times. and distorted.......there is a great deal of allegory and symbolism in there, too...


The math show they do for a variety of numbers.

If they cannot even decide on the numbers non-physical dimensions, then there is no evidence at all for other dimensions or they could count them.

You push a speculations. I push facts.

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Nobrot wrote:
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Those as well as talking serpents and donkeys and water walking men.

I would include the delusion that a God would condemn souls and then turn around and die in their stead. That is not supernatural so much as pure idiocy.

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And my personal favourite: The Emo pervert demon and the deranged pigs.

"On the other side of the sea, they arrived in the region of the Gerasenes. As soon as Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an unclean spirit came from the tombs and met Him. He had been living in the tombs and could no longer be restrained, even with chains. Though he was often bound with chains and shackles, he had broken the chains and shattered the shackles. Now no one had the strength to subdue him. Night and day in the tombs and in the mountains, he kept crying out and cutting himself with stones."

"There on the nearby hillside a large herd of pigs was feeding. So the demons begged Jesus, “Send us to the pigs, so that we may enter them.” *

"He gave them permission, and the unclean spirits came out and went into the pigs, and the herd of about two thousand rushed down the steep bank into the sea and drowned in the water."

*For once the bible isn't quite clear on this issue, was it the demon's intent to 'know' the pigs as in the biblical sense or merely to take possession of their mental faculties? Also we have a problem with the concept of 'the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few'. Jesus with just one 'Ping' from his all powerful all knowing mind destroys the livelihood of a whole village of Jewish swine herders condemning them all to...... Err hang on a bit, what the {!#%@} are Jews doing with two thousand pigs?
Sigh, it's all sooo confusing. I'm going back to my bible studies.


I have read about this as well.

Apparently, Josephus used the same type of allegory or metaphor in his book of Rome's war against the Jews.

I got that from reading this gents work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJgvws0ZYUE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jewish_War

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Re: This is incontrovertible proof that God is evil. God does not live by his own golden rule.

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:47 pm

gorgeous wrote:-------"If quantum mechanics hasn’t profoundly shocked you, you haven’t understood it yet. Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real.” -― Niels Bohr, Essays 1932-1957 on Atomic Physics and Human Knowledge-------------------sounds supernatural to me...


Are you saying that you are not real or not made of real stuff?

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Re: This is incontrovertible proof that God is evil. God does not live by his own golden rule.

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:50 pm

gorgeous wrote:do recall that...not physical......so would be supernatural to ^^^^bishop..


Even thoughts are made up of sub-atomic particles. They are quite hard to see but scientists know that that is a true statement.

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Re: This is incontrovertible proof that God is evil. God does not live by his own golden rule.

Postby gorgeous » Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:39 pm

soo...all is energy...we are real but our bodies are not really solid...as when people follow aliens through walls...
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Re: This is incontrovertible proof that God is evil. God does not live by his own golden rule.

Postby Poodle » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:24 pm

The quantum wall test still awaits your attention.

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Re: This is incontrovertible proof that God is evil. God does not live by his own golden rule.

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:50 pm

gorgeous wrote:soo...all is energy...we are real but our bodies are not really solid...as when people follow aliens through walls...


Close your eyes and start walking. When you bump into nothing, then come back and tell me that you are not solid and I will believe you.

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