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Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby salomed » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:45 pm

The singular question of my post is:

Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

They either do, or they do not, to within, let us say, a millimeter of accuracy, when the image is printed and a ruler is used.

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If you have a printer and a calculator and a ruler you can check in minutes.
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby Monster » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:44 pm

salomed wrote:The singular question of my post is:

Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Probably not.

If you have a printer and a calculator and a ruler you can check in minutes.

Sounds like you already did the work. What did you find?

EDIT: Actually, what constants are you talking about?
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby Poodle » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:24 pm

Ermmmm. Oooh. It's a difficult one.

Err - maybe ... no. Well - I suppose they do, as they're your lines. As in they're not really there. Unless you're a leprechaun (yes, I can can see him poking his nose in from the upper right quadrant.

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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:34 pm

salomed wrote: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?.
No. They would only represent something if it said so in the diagram otherwise it is ambiguous.

Secondly, mathematical constants are generally represented with their supporting logic.
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Coincidence VS Encoded Mathematics
You are a woo follower who pretends that a unknown Elizabethan type setter, at a unknown printer shop in 1609AD secretly encoded mathematical shapes in some full stops and some line ends, on his title page for Shakespeare's sonnets, but not all full stops and line ends.

That is simply an old con artist trick where you artificially impose, in 2017, shapes, on an early text based document, by arbitrarily choosing some full stops and some line ends that by mere coincidence fit your preconceived shapes.

In reality, skeptics already know that Elizabethan mathematicians used normal wood block diagrams to to convey mathematical concepts in their mathematics books.

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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby Nobrot » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:43 pm

No

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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:51 pm

What is going on here?
Salomed is promoting a You tube video, by a musician called Alan Green. Alan Green after quitting as the Monkees musical director, claims that John Dee, Elizabeth I's alchemist, magically convinced an unknown typesetter to secretly encode the 2015 Google Map numerical reference to the Giza Pyramids in the title page of Shakespeare's Sonnets.


Reasons this is complete nonsense.
1) John Dee died in another city a year before the Sonnets were printed.
2) A type setter cannot define accurate shapes as printer's type blocks for text have fixed height and width.
3) The mathematics is completely bogus, and mixes up metres, cubits, feet and so on in singular calculations without conversion.
4) "Metres were first introduced 120 year after the Sonnets were printed. Cubits were first measured 170 years later. Magically, John Dee predicts the speed of light in metres.
5) The actual "hidden" speed of light in metres and co-ordinates for the Giza Pyramids, in the video, are actually wrong.
6) Salomed's "secret code" never appears again in any document and isn't a code at all.


Here is the video Salomed is promoting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upzjM7-83LE

Lovers of bull-shit can see metres, cubits, feet and so on in the original video that Salomed has deceptively removed.
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Salomed and Gorgeous have a lot in common. :lol:
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:23 am

Salomed has his leg pulled.

Alan Green, who put out the "woo" Shakespeare video, Salomed is promoting, also put out a book called "Manipulation Machine & Masters of Multimedia" about how the Monkees's producers tricked people.
:D

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He also released a single "I surrender" under the name Arlan Day that flopped. :D
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby Gord » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:41 am

:facepalm:

Okay, I'll play. Let's see what I get....

salomed wrote:The singular question of my post is:

Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

They either do, or they do not, to within, let us say, a millimeter of accuracy, when the image is printed and a ruler is used.

...

If you have a printer and a calculator and a ruler you can check in minutes.

Red lines:
Long: 146 mm
Short: 47 mm

Yellow lines:
Long: ...crap, the yellow lines didn't print out. :?

Blue lines:
Long: 125 mm
Short: 92 mm

Green lines:
Long: 141 mm
Short: 58 mm

I forget what I'm calculating. Long red divided by short red is supposed to equal pi, right?

146 / 47 = 3.11

Is that close enough?

Now, what was I doing with the blue and green lines again?
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:14 pm

Gord wrote:I forget what I'm calculating. Long red divided by short red is supposed to equal pi, right?

146 / 47 = 3.11

Is that close enough?

No. You're about two days late. :-P
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby Angel » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:05 pm

salomed wrote:The singular question of my post is:

Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

They either do, or they do not, to within, let us say, a millimeter of accuracy, when the image is printed and a ruler is used.

Do_these_4_lines_represent_4_constants_sml.jpg

If you have a printer and a calculator and a ruler you can check in minutes.



Who first asked the question?
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What angle are they coming from?
Where are they going?

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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby salomed » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:21 pm

My apologies I resized the image down to 600 by 600 so that the forum would accept it and, obviously, it is not possible to get Pi at that resolution.

Here is the original high res version:

http://imgur.com/a/Xx97Y

Pi is there:

1470/468=3.141

What about the other constants?
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby Gord » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:30 am

salomed wrote:My apologies I resized the image down to 600 by 600 so that the forum would accept it and, obviously, it is not possible to get Pi at that resolution.

As I've said before, the image will always be different from the original. Every time you change it in any way, you will be changing it in other ways as well, ways you have not anticipated. This is why researchers must always go to the originals in order to validate their measurements.

Also, since I printed it out on my printer, that will create yet more measurements problems. It won't matter whether I use the low-res or the high-res version, the printed versions will match sufficiently for me to get the same measurement errors. My printed copies from the same machine printed out with the same printing program will almost perfectly overlie. The accepted amount of error in your request ("a millimeter of accuracy") is larger than the difference in my printouts.
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby salomed » Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:25 am

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salomed wrote:My apologies I resized the image down to 600 by 600 so that the forum would accept it and, obviously, it is not possible to get Pi at that resolution.

As I've said before, the image will always be different from the original. Every time you change it in any way, you will be changing it in other ways as well, ways you have not anticipated. This is why researchers must always go to the originals in order to validate their measurements.

Also, since I printed it out on my printer, that will create yet more measurements problems. It won't matter whether I use the low-res or the high-res version, the printed versions will match sufficiently for me to get the same measurement errors. My printed copies from the same machine printed out with the same printing program will almost perfectly overlie. The accepted amount of error in your request ("a millimeter of accuracy") is larger than the difference in my printouts.



But you were only out by less than 2mm. You found Pi.
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Postby Poodle » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:45 am

What's the precise size of the original, salomed?

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Postby salomed » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:07 am

Poodle wrote:What's the precise size of the original, salomed?


It matters not. We deal in ratios. It could be the size of a billboard.

Do you agree Pi is there?
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Poodle wrote:What's the precise size of the original, salomed?


It matters not. We deal in ratios. It could be the size of a billboard.

Do you agree Pi is there?

Since pi is irrational, technically pi isn't there.
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

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salomed wrote:
Gord wrote:
salomed wrote:My apologies I resized the image down to 600 by 600 so that the forum would accept it and, obviously, it is not possible to get Pi at that resolution.

As I've said before, the image will always be different from the original. Every time you change it in any way, you will be changing it in other ways as well, ways you have not anticipated. This is why researchers must always go to the originals in order to validate their measurements.

Also, since I printed it out on my printer, that will create yet more measurements problems. It won't matter whether I use the low-res or the high-res version, the printed versions will match sufficiently for me to get the same measurement errors. My printed copies from the same machine printed out with the same printing program will almost perfectly overlie. The accepted amount of error in your request ("a millimeter of accuracy") is larger than the difference in my printouts.

But you were only out by less than 2mm. You found Pi.

Not true. My measurement was accurate to within one millimetre and I didn't find pi, I found 3.11.

Now, what do you want me to do with the blue and the green lines?
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby salomed » Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:28 pm

Gord wrote:Not true. My measurement was accurate to within one millimetre and I didn't find pi, I found 3.11.


As said. You used the 600 by 600 pixels. You can see how close you are even at that low resolution.

Pi is there, 3.141.
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:10 am

Poodle wrote:What's the precise size of the original, salomed?
salomed wrote: It matters not. We deal in ratios. It could be the size of a billboard. Do you agree Pi is there?
Skeptics deal in ratios. You, a "wooist", have now refused to answer my direct question six times, to state the size of the original document to allow calculation of the height/width ratio, which Alan Green admits to fudging.

You are a typical small time wooist liar. You claim to have found the world's most amazing coincidence but have never bothered to check the basic surrounding evidence for your woo claim.
:lol:

An as Gord properly states, Pi does not appear on the document and Elizabethans in 1609AD did not have millimeter rulers or home computers to find these magical hidden secret codes about John Dee anyway.
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:30 am

Salomed is having his leg pulled.

The video Salomed is promoting is by the Alan Green, a musician. Alan Green was musical director of the Monkees and wrote a book called "Masters of the Multimedia, Manipulation Machine" about how the Monkees didn't play instruments or sing and were mere actors hired to appear in a TV band. Alan is promoting his new Musical "The Bard" about Shakespeare.

Alan made a video about Shakespeare claiming John Dee, an alchemist was a time traveller and had secret codes hidden in Shakespeare;s works. This included the speed of light in metres and the current Google map reference for the Giza Pyramids. Alan Green openly admits that the hidden value for the speed of light and hidden location for the pyramids is not accurate at all and is only a close approximation.

Gord worked this out a week ago by doing the measurements himself of the "magic measurements hidden" in the Sonnets page. The hidden measurements aren't there. Salomed is now desperate to prove they are, even though he knows that no printer could make any accurate shapes with text type face blocks.

Is everyone (other than Salomed) getting the joke yet?
:lol:

Here is a song specifically for Salomed
"I'm a believer"
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Is everyone (other than Salomed) getting the joke yet? [/color] :lol:


I will let you throw the first custard pie Matthew.

Send me a screen grab or photo of you seeing for yourself if Pi is there.

It is there. You have made 28 images this thread, none of them test the OP hypothesis, they just commit fallacy after fallacy.
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:12 pm

salomed wrote:Send me a screen grab or photo of you seeing for yourself if Pi is there.
Gord has already done this. Pi isn't there. nor is Pi in any of the other lines that you ignore.

STOP PRESS
Rude word encoded by Shakespeare onto tropical fish.
Salomed and his crack team of unemployed musicians, today discovered that Shakespeare secretly encoded a rude word onto a fish. Admittedly, the letters are not exactly formed correctly and are all different sizes and there are other markings that don't mean anything......but there it is.......the rude word.

Team leader, Salomed says "Yes this is not just a coincidence but obviously a message from Shakespeare that John Dee was. indeed, a time traveller. This cannot simply be a coincidence because I say so."

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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:48 pm

STOP PRESS
Salomed and his crack team of unemployed musicians, today, discovered that Enid Blyton and Shakespeare conspired to encode the circumference of the Earth in kilometres onto a page in the 1954 publication "The Big Noddy Book".
Noddy Mathematical Formulas 2.jpg



Salomed explains
"Yes, if you ignore everything else, you can clearly see that Noddy is looking at Big Ear's foot. Big Ears foot is 1/26.71 the height of the page. If you times 26.71 by the number of letters in Enid Blyton you get 2671. Then if you times this figure by the number of letters in "The Big Noddy Book" you get 40,075. The circumference of the Earth is 40,075 kilometres."

"Further evidence is the obvious "equals sign" that William Shakespeare told Enid Blyton to place in exactly the right place in the equation. I know this is not a mere coincidence because I say so." :D
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby salomed » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:25 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
salomed wrote:Send me a screen grab or photo of you seeing for yourself if Pi is there.
Gord has already done this. Pi isn't there. nor is Pi in any of the other lines that you ignore.


No he has not. They are there. Gord used the wrong image as stated. You cannot get Pi from any 600 by 600 pixel space.

Show me why they are not. Don't rely on the opinion of another. Do your own science.

Take the image. Show that pi is not there.

http://imgur.com/a/Xx97Y

Pi is there:

1470/468=3.141

It is there.

DO THE SCIENCE Matthew. It will take you far less time than all of your silly little insult pictures.
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Ongoing deception by Salomed.

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:50 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote: Gord has already done this. Pi isn't there. Nor is Pi in any of the other lines that you arbitrarily ignore.
salomed wrote: No he has not. They are there. Gord used the wrong image as stated. You cannot get Pi from any 600 by 600 pixel space.

Gord, previously wrote: Let's see, the 1st line measures roughly 3 centimetres, the second line measures roughly 6.4 centimetres. That's 6.4 / 3, which comes to 2.13. Sure, if you think 2.13 is close enough to 1.9 to count. Otherwise, no, it's not.
I'll do the value for what he calls π as well. I measure roughly 6.4 centimetres for the long line (oh, haha, it's the same line as in the first equation! :sweatdrop: derp, I'm dumb) and just under 2 centimetres for the short line (between 1.95 and 2.00 -- I'll call it 1.98). That's 6.4 / 1.98, which comes to 3.23. Is 3.23 equal close enough to π to count?


Not only did Gord determine you were fabricating your mathematical claims, but you have been lying non stop to promote the book by Alan Green, "Dee-constructing Shakespeare", Alan being the former musical director of the Monkees. In fact you have been actively deceptive by re-working Alan Green's original graphic to remove any mention of metres, Egyptian cubits and feet from a 1609AD title page. (Metres were not created until 170 years later)

Here is the original graphic you asked us to review in the other thread.

Sonnets.jpg


Your other lies and deceptions include:
Technical
1) Fixed type-face blocks cannot have their widths or heights adjusted to create geometric shapes in 1609AD
2) You arbitrarily ignore most punctuation marks to get your geometric shape to roughly fit some punctuation marks.
3) You lied and said the shapes were "encoded" but can't explain what magic 1609AD code allows you ignore most punctuation marks.
4) You are pretending to forget that Alan Green claims the magic code is "evidence" that John Dee was a time traveller, who used Shakespeare to define the location of the Giza Pyramid's 2012 Google Maps reference number.
5) You are pretending to forget that Alan Green used 100% bogus mathematics which you are simply copying here.


Motive of unknown Type setter?
Why would an unknown type setter, in 1609AD, want to secretly encode mathematics in the Title page of Shakespeare's Sonnets, using measured lines on a unknown few punctuation marks , when no one can see it, as the common ruler doesn't yet exist? Simultaneously, other Elizabethan printers are happily producing books on mathematical shapes using woodblock prints.
Elizabethan matematics.jpg


Coincidence VS Encoding
You avoid this fact like the plague. For the thousands of pages of Elizabethan printed text, by mere coincidence, there will be some punctuation marks, on some pages, that are very close ratios to the speed of light, Pi, the distance between Paris and London, the photon light frequency of red, and so on. This is called coincidence.

You simply cherry picked those few punctuation marks that loosely fit the shapes you are imposing and then you ignore all other punctuation marks.

You are lying and pretending that you know of a magical code that allows you to ignore 90% of the punctuation marks and only use those punctuation marks that almost fit your ridiculous claim. Write down this systematic 1609AD "Code" for us.
:lol:

Salomed to go away.
You are very aware I know how the Sonnet pages were printed ( Quatro 8 pages on one sheet) and the size of the page blocks. I asked you for this exact measurement six times to show you the height/width ratio and your ongoing deception. You have run away six times as you know you are cheating.


Full Bat {!#%@} Crazy / Alan Green / Hidden geometry in Shakespeare's Sonnets
Here is Alan Green's original video that you are pretending to forget. Can everyone, other than Salomed, see the really bad mathematics and anachronisms going on here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmdebTnrUaM&list=PLoSJzdgiZ_XIZQDm5DAaaCavgkdV8xb5e
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby Gord » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:24 am

salomed wrote:...Gord used the wrong image as stated. You cannot get Pi from any 600 by 600 pixel space....

Pixel count doesn't matter once I've printed it out. The image is then covering the full page, regardless of the original pixel count.

If you want accurate measurements you have to go back to the original source. You cannot rely on an image that has been manipulated several times, which is what you've been using.
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby salomed » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:25 am

Gord wrote:
salomed wrote:...Gord used the wrong image as stated. You cannot get Pi from any 600 by 600 pixel space....

Pixel count doesn't matter once I've printed it out. The image is then covering the pfull page, regardless of the original pixel count.

If you want accurate measurements you have to go back to the original source. You cannot rely on an image that has been manipulated several times, which is what you've been using.


If that is your argument, then you really are scraping the bottom of the reason barrel. Your argument would work the other way round, if we couldn't find the ratios we could use your excuse but the fact that we can find a ratios demonstrably makes your argument utterly redundant.


You will now say "you cannot find the ratios."

But you can.
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:39 am

salomed wrote: You will now say "you cannot find the ratios."

I already have the height/width ratio of the title page's print run.

What is it Salomed?
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby Poodle » Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:04 pm

It matters not. All it means is that circles become pseudocircles, right angles become wrong angles and derived ratios become BS. So nothing changes at all - the entire proposition is BS.

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Postby salomed » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:22 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
salomed wrote: You will now say "you cannot find the ratios."

I already have the height/width ratio of the title page's print run.

What is it Salomed?
:D



What we are testing for is ratios between the lengths of lines made by joining two dots in this image:

Do_these_4_lines_represent_4_constants_sml.jpg


If the constants are there, there is more investigation to be done:

Is it a hoax?
A coincidence?
An Elizabethan mystery?
Something else?

If the ratios are not there then there is nothing to investigate.

Are the ratios there?

I think yes, with certainty, after investigating myself.
If you think no, you need to show why not. You cannot just say they are not.
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Re: Salomed is lying through his teeth

Postby Poodle » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:26 pm

salomed wrote:Are the ratios there?

I think yes, with certainty, after investigating myself.
If you think no, you need to show why not. You cannot just say they are not.


How long have you been here salomed? Not a single one of us is obliged to show anything, except you. You have done nothing but ASSERT that you have shown something (and, of course, you haven't). Even so, a couple of members HAVE done something and reported their results, but you have summarily dismissed them. And you'll go on dismissing absolutely anything which may damage your fantasy. You have become a True Believer, and I'm severely disappointed in you.

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Re: Salomed is lying through his teeth

Postby salomed » Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:46 pm

Poodle wrote:
salomed wrote:Are the ratios there?

I think yes, with certainty, after investigating myself.
If you think no, you need to show why not. You cannot just say they are not.


You have done nothing but ASSERT that you have shown something (and, of course, you haven't).

That is just not true. In this and the other thread I have shown my own workings that correlate with the video and with truth.

Poodle wrote:Even so, a couple of members HAVE done something and reported their results, but you have summarily dismissed them.


It is remarkable how close they got given that they were using too small an image (my fault). None have tried on the larger image.

Do you want me to tell you what constants are there so you can go looking for them? Kind of spoils the "blind" nature of the attempt.

And you'll go on dismissing absolutely anything which may damage your fantasy.


I just want someone to show me that they are not there or agree that they are. This is no fantasy.

and I'm severely disappointed in you.
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Re: Salomed is lying through his teeth

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:24 pm

salomed wrote: You will now say "you cannot find the ratios."
Matthew Ellard wrote:I already have the height/width ratio of the title page's print run.

What is it Salomed?
:D
salomed wrote:What we are testing for is ratios ......
No Salomed. We are testing for you cheating and now can prove it using one fundamental ratio

You don't know the height/width ratio of the original title page and thus don't know the accuracy of your JPEG download and thus don't know the lengths of your magic hidden circles and lines......which didn't fit exactly in your manipulated image, anyway and totally missed other marks .. It is that simple. You have been lying through your teeth. :lol:

The Shroud of Turin./ Salomed's cheating
Everyone knows the image of Jesus on the Shroud of Turin is bogus and just a medieval painting. If you covered the body of Jesus with a shroud the image, when the shroud is flattened out, would look like a very fat Michelen Tyre man and not a human. Salomed has continuously avoided stating the height/width ratio of the Sonnets title page because, firstly, he never checked this first basic step, but secondly to hide computer manipulation of Sonnets images downloaded from the internet, which have already been shown to have different aspects.



salomed wrote:If the ratios are not there then there is nothing to investigate.
You have my permission to resign from the forum, now, for cheating and lying. :lol:

PS. Tell me about George Eld's four printing presses at the White Sheep sign, on Fleet Lane. (Fleet Street) :D

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Collateral damage

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:48 pm

I imagine Alan Green is thrilled that Salomed is promoting and arguing about Alan's new books and forthcoming book, on a skeptic forum.

Search engines now arrive here, where potential buyers and reviewers, can read all Alan Green's deceptions.
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Re: Salomed is lying through his teeth

Postby salomed » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:41 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
salomed wrote: You will now say "you cannot find the ratios."
Matthew Ellard wrote:I already have the height/width ratio of the title page's print run.

What is it Salomed?
:D
salomed wrote:What we are testing for is ratios ......
No Salomed. We are testing for you cheating and now can prove it using one fundamental ratio

You don't know the height/width ratio of the original title page and thus don't know the accuracy of your JPEG download and thus don't know the lengths of your magic hidden circles and lines......which didn't fit exactly in your manipulated image, anyway and totally missed other marks .. It is that simple. You have been lying through your teeth. :lol:

The Shroud of Turin./ Salomed's cheating
Everyone knows the image of Jesus on the Shroud of Turin is bogus and just a medieval painting. If you covered the body of Jesus with a shroud the image, when the shroud is flattened out, would look like a very fat Michelen Tyre man and not a human. Salomed has continuously avoided stating the height/width ratio of the Sonnets title page because, firstly, he never checked this first basic step, but secondly to hide computer manipulation of Sonnets images downloaded from the internet, which have already been shown to have different aspects.



salomed wrote:If the ratios are not there then there is nothing to investigate.
You have my permission to resign from the forum, now, for cheating and lying. :lol:

PS. Tell me about George Eld's four printing presses at the White Sheep sign, on Fleet Lane. (Fleet Street) :D


What is important is the ratio between the dots, not the metric. Miles. millimetres, it matters not.

Is Brun's constant represented by the yellow line?
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby Poodle » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:17 am

The ratio between dots, no matter what it is, is irrelevant. Relevance, at least as far as your increasingly pathetic argument goes, is in the INTENT.
Here you go - being a bit of a historian, I recently dug up a rod made of some hardish metal alloy from a layer containing recognisable Bronze Age artefacts. The rod is exactly (and I mean exactly) 30 centimetres long. Well, I lied - it wasn't me doing the digging (just as it was neither you nor the real author of this historical fantasy making Elizabethan frontispieces). But everything else is true. I'm scratching my head about that rod, salomed - what do you think?
Hold on a moment while I preload the conditions ... What is important is the length of the rod, not anything else. Exactly 30 centimetres. Isn't that truly amazing? How could it be?

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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby salomed » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:44 pm

Poodle wrote:The ratio between dots, no matter what it is, is irrelevant. Relevance, at least as far as your increasingly pathetic argument goes, is in the INTENT.


I disagree. First we need to know if the constants are there before we discuss intent and agency.


Here you go - being a bit of a historian, I recently dug up a rod made of some hardish metal alloy from a layer containing recognisable Bronze Age artefacts. The rod is exactly (and I mean exactly) 30 centimetres long. Well, I lied - it wasn't me doing the digging (just as it was neither you nor the real author of this historical fantasy making Elizabethan frontispieces). But everything else is true. I'm scratching my head about that rod, salomed - what do you think?


False Analogy. Had you found ten rods and dividing the length of one of the rods into another yields five constants:

Pi
Phi
√2
√3
√5

And one of the rods was made of an alloy not discovered until 1916.

In this case I would think that certainly there is something odd about this which requires further investigation.

I would think it is amazing. Wouldn't you?
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby Poodle » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:09 pm

You keep skidding past the point, salomed. It wouldn't matter a damn if you could establish that there were elements in any image which could be used to produce every single constant the universe demands - all of them, all in one image. Unless you could also establish they they were MEANT to be there - the image was intentionally designed to contain them - then you are farting into the wind.
Why is it a false analogy? It wasn't an analogy in the first place. It was a straightforward and very simple question. How can a metal alloy rod of PRECISELY 30 cms length possibly find its way into Bronze Age deposits?

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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby salomed » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:23 pm

How can a metal alloy rod of PRECISELY 30 cms length possibly find its way into Bronze Age deposits?


If it wasn't an analogy I don't understand the point of this relevant to my original question. Please explain.


Poodle wrote:You keep skidding past the point, salomed. It wouldn't matter a damn if you could establish that there were elements in any image which could be used to produce every single constant the universe demands - all of them, all in one image.


It absolutely would matter. It would be at least the most amazing coincidence conceivable to me and I would question the reason for the information.


Unless you could also establish they they were MEANT to be there - the image was intentionally designed to contain them - then you are farting into the wind.


I guess we will have to disagree on this. As I understand the scientific method we start with an observation and try to go from that to the explanation.

You seem to be suggesting that we ignore the observation if we cannot come up with the explanation. Is that right?
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Re: Do these four coloured lines represent four key constants?

Postby Poodle » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:16 pm

No, it isn't.

Would a Bronze Age artefact measuring PRECISELY 30 centimetres in length not be equally amazing? Would it be more amazing if there were TWO of them, both precisely 30 cms in length? Ten of them? At what point would you be amazed?


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