Rachel Maddow to the rescue!

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Re: Rachel Maddow to the rescue!

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:17 pm

Its disturbing how accepted the cry of "partisan attack" is in our culture. If you accept partisan sourced material, then you are leading the country to Third World Country type retaliations rather than the shining light the USA supposedly represents.

But hold on: its rather obvious that the parties are LOATHE to take action against their own. If law enforcement can't act upon contra party partisan claims/documents/facts.....then the elected class and deep state would be given permission to run even more roughly over our shod.

Poodle is so right: not a word about the accuracy of data, and even that doesn't matter if it provides a clue/hint/start for an investigation that bears fruit.

THE COUNTERFACTUAL IS TRUE: Every new administration should prosecute the previous one. Only way to keep them honest. Now, by and large, the USA does not do that............................. and we are totally corrupt as a result.

A fine balance.........we still need to work on.
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Re: Rachel Maddow to the rescue!

Postby JO 753 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:12 pm

The US iz not totally corrupt. Its a constant battle to keep it from going that way, but compared to many other nationz, we are incompetent bunglerz at corruption.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:43 pm

Jo: I won't argue the fine distinction you want to make, and that is there. But we are totally corrupt in too many areas. Its true.... you can't pay off a cop to get out of a ticket....but the fraud takes place at another level....like too many of the laws we have that do result in fines or jail. THAT is corruption too......not just payoffs in the Halls of Congress which is what our "Democracy" runs on......and what Wallstreet Runs on.

I suspect Jo.............its is "in fact" worse than you think. ......................but not "totally" corrupt for the comfort that gives you.
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Postby JO 753 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:00 pm

I get wut your saying.

Insted uv the petty incomplete localized corruption found in plasez like China Pakistan Zimbawbwe, we hav institutionalized it, made it part uv the structure.

With the top 4 peepl on the Forbez 400 list owning more than the bottom 170 million sitizenz az evidens for this, I haf to agree with you.

OK, my pozition iz reversed.
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:23 pm

JO 753 wrote:The US iz not totally corrupt. Its a constant battle to keep it from going that way, but compared to many other nationz, we are incompetent bunglerz at corruption.


I agree. Every country has corruption and must continually fight to minimise it.

Feel sorry for Western Europe and institutionalised "tipping". If I "tip big", I get a better seat at the restaurant. That's a form of corruption.

However I feel sympathy for the low wages of some workers and automatically tip. It's hard to balance all this out.

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Re: Rachel Maddow to the rescue!

Postby Tom Palven » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:00 pm

Here is Debbie Lusignan, The Sane Progressive, ripping into the Trump-Russia narrative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq63B_pSTUY

Lusignan is a former Sanders supporter and solid liberal, yet she attacks Robert Mueller as being a former Bush apparatchick, and uses a great phrase about liberals "staying married to the lie

Lusignan checks her facts and doesn't lie or mislead.
If one can be taught to believe absurdities, one can commit atrocities. --Voltaire

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:22 pm

Jo: well thanks..........but I didn't mean to reverse your position, just focus your attention elsewhere, and now it looks like we have thrown Matt into Limbo? I thought Western Europe has a formal "tip" situation where the service fee is added to your presented bill? Its not a tip...with the constant pressure from locale to locale to tip on top of the service fee.

Re the Institutionalize Fraud/Corruption we have...just saw a youtube on home distilling. The guy said only two States in the USA allow for home brewing without a Federal License. Some state make having a still alone illegal....even for making water or anything else. What is THAT but a form of corruption? Same with requiring 3 years of Beauty School to braid hair. The corruption just moved from thugs entering your shop to demand protection money, to thugs entering your shop and jailing your for not having a license.

But it is the out and out textbook corruption that takes place in politics.....aka: fundraising. RIGHT IN OUR FACES!!!

Congress creeps may join the team as out of work actors.........but they ALL leave congress multi-millionaires. Inside Trading is not illegal for CongresCreeps to do...even for industries they directly legislate. Program after program, law after law: pure fraud..... but its legalized.

Back in the late 70's I got stopped by a traffic cop in Tijuana for some infraction. I was expecting having to pay him off....but no....he just gave me a warning. Imagine that?
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Re: Rachel Maddow to the rescue!

Postby Poodle » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:01 pm

From the horse's mouth ...
Speaking from a UK perspective (which, at the moment, is the EU perspective) any service charges must be declared pre-transaction. Tipping is optional and is actually dying out as a result of minimum-earnings legislation. Most people in the UK now do not tip unless the service really has been good - as was the original point. Save your tips for the poor sods on zero-hours contracts - aka the fiddle to get around that minimum earnings stuff (and no, they don't work in restaurants).

(Oh - Rachel Maddow is bloody brilliant. So there).

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Re: Rachel Maddow to the rescue!

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:13 pm

Poodle:

1. Isn't there a "standard" service charge on top of the menu price of the food you eat virtually everywhere? Its been 10 years since I visited the EU. South America and Asia is "all over the place."

2. I'm confused. My apple mash perks away at a slow rate slowly becoming less sweet....but when I stir my mash and put two cups of mash into two cups of sugar water.....the 4 cups do not bubble at all. I assume the two cups of mash are "alive" and it acts like the yeast is killed by the sugar mixture? So....I pour the failed yeast activation into my 7 gallon bucket...and the whole thing keeps slowly bubbling away. Makes no sense to me.....

3. I am getting more interested in home distilling...as I have all the parts, just need to "do it." Ha, ha.....thing is, I'm drinking the HCider so fast....Its hard to see where I will get the wort to distill?....but I assume some day I will have more apples than I can drink....then I will distill. I'm going to use a basic pot still with a short reflux tower....I like the look over just a pipe coming out of a cooker. I do think the store bought stills, expecially to copper or the all glass ones are a piece of ART...and I could buy them for that purpose alone (Like the Samovar I bought years go?)....but as part of my hobby is "being cheap", I'll avoid that for the time being. You'll be amused: I'm going to use my 6 gallon ALUMINUM pressure cooker....because I don't like the idea of buying another one of the same size just to have Stainless. I've read the pros and cons and the pros all seem to misstate facts. Everyone cooks with aluminum...so why not? My 40 year old pot is pit free after gallons of chili made in it with high acid tomato sauces and such.

Like I said: keeping everything as cheap as can be. Most expensive thing for me so far has been the cost of the yeast.

My favorite: air locks for $3 each. Very cheap....but why not run a ten cent tube into a glass of water? Thats the cheap part of the hobby. ymmv
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Re: Rachel Maddow to the rescue!

Postby Poodle » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:29 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Poodle:

1. Isn't there a "standard" service charge on top of the menu price of the food you eat virtually everywhere? Its been 10 years since I visited the EU. South America and Asia is "all over the place."

2. I'm confused. My apple mash perks away at a slow rate slowly becoming less sweet....but when I stir my mash and put two cups of mash into two cups of sugar water.....the 4 cups do not bubble at all. I assume the two cups of mash are "alive" and it acts like the yeast is killed by the sugar mixture? So....I pour the failed yeast activation into my 7 gallon bucket...and the whole thing keeps slowly bubbling away. Makes no sense to me.....

3. I am getting more interested in home distilling...as I have all the parts, just need to "do it." Ha, ha.....thing is, I'm drinking the HCider so fast....Its hard to see where I will get the wort to distill?....but I assume some day I will have more apples than I can drink....then I will distill. I'm going to use a basic pot still with a short reflux tower....I like the look over just a pipe coming out of a cooker. I do think the store bought stills, expecially to copper or the all glass ones are a piece of ART...and I could buy them for that purpose alone (Like the Samovar I bought years go?)....but as part of my hobby is "being cheap", I'll avoid that for the time being. You'll be amused: I'm going to use my 6 gallon ALUMINUM pressure cooker....because I don't like the idea of buying another one of the same size just to have Stainless. I've read the pros and cons and the pros all seem to misstate facts. Everyone cooks with aluminum...so why not? My 40 year old pot is pit free after gallons of chili made in it with high acid tomato sauces and such.

Like I said: keeping everything as cheap as can be. Most expensive thing for me so far has been the cost of the yeast.

My favorite: air locks for $3 each. Very cheap....but why not run a ten cent tube into a glass of water? Thats the cheap part of the hobby. ymmv


I've had to quote that so I can see it while I'm answering ...

1. No - a service charge is whatever the proprietor decides upon. The TAX on the service charge is fixed.
2. Yeast produces alcohol (and therefore waste carbon dioxide) in an anaerobic environment. It reproduces in an aerobic environment. Stir in oxygen and guess what happens - it divides instead of excreting alcohol. No bubbles.
3. Homework. Make VERY. VERY sure that you understand the chemistry of distillation before you try it. You have two possible products - ethyl alcohol and methyl alcohol. You do NOT want to produce the methyl version.

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Re: Rachel Maddow to the rescue!

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:16 pm

Poodle: thanks as always.
1. Yes....I'm confusing the service change with a tip. Seem to do about the same thing in my memory.

2. Thank You. That distinction was not clear to me. In fact, the last video I watched (a transexual in a bikini...but as most are: a fun person) emphasized the need for oxygen in the first 12 hours of pitching the yeast. NOW ITS CLEAR: to aid in the reproduction to "activate" them. In the 5-6 years I've dipped into this issue....never so clear as you just stated. Killed by the oxygen, not the sugar.........and not killed, just busy dividing instead of fermenting. Hmmm...how come no foam or activity at all then???? Perhaps thats the difference between being dormant vs alive? And...there was no activity for 24 hours. Seems to me it should kick up after awhile? I'll try this again on my next batch and just let it sit "forever." I'd do it now, but I think I'm maxed out on the sugar. Other aspect of my hobby ways: be patient.

3. What chemistry? The only issue is the aluminum entering the distillate which should be indicated by taste, color of the product or pitting of the pot? I have no taste but can see color...but a color change sounds "drastic" and I am probably confusing that with too much water vapour just clouding the tail? There must be different quality of aluminum as this pot is OLD and has cooked a whole lot of tomatoes. Its mirror smooth. Same issue kinda with Stainless. There is cheap stainless that will rust, so I assume pit as well?

I'm sure you'll be amused....that transexual made another point of not needing to be too clean. Rested her stirring stick on the ground inbetween takes. I think to a limit that is true. almost as if "the experts" want to sell sanitizing products and the like? I've been sterlizing "once" at the start with cheap bleach, and then after that just keeping things "clean" by running water over them. Good quality water here in Sacramento. Tastes good, low chlorine if any (I assume but there is no taste)...good for baking and for brewing.......don't need that distilled water from the store.

ymmv.

Edit: Just for grins: her she is. Lives in Los angeles.

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Re: Rachel Maddow to the rescue!

Postby Poodle » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:48 pm

Here you go, bobbo ...
When you ferment a sugar solution with yeast, you get a solution of methyl and ethyl alcohols plus some esters 'n' stuff which give you flavour. That's raw wine which may or may not improve with long-term anaerobic storage. That's OK, in the ratio they're present, as evidenced by thousands of years of fermented beverages designed (don't let anyone fool you) to get you as pissed as you like. You may be sick, you may have a hangover, but in general you're OK. But methyl alcohols (they're the nasty ones which can, and do, mess you up in all kinds of ways) are particular creatures, When you heat their environment, they're the first ones to jump out of solution into the gaseous state and crawl up your tubes (if you see what I mean). In the first four fluid ounces from a distillation, you'd be a very lucky man to see a trace of an ethyl. So - guess what you do. You gather that first four (five if you're being really careful) fluid ounces of distillate and you (here's the pain) throw it away. Don't argue. Centuries of folk chemistry is tied up here, and it all says "THROW IT AWAY".
If you do that, you will retain your vision into old age and you will retain the ability to post on this forum. You will also retain your sanity because you will not have poisoned yourself. All methyl alcohols (think methylated spirits) are toxic. Therefore, do not keep them in your beverages.

And I'm sorry - that's a bloke :D



And how the hell did this get onto a Rachel Maddow thread? I blame you, bobbo.

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Re: Rachel Maddow to the rescue!

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:17 pm

I am responsible....thought about starting a brew thread, but didn't think I would be yammering on about it as I have....but the questions keep coming as the homebrew is ongoing.

Yes, the toxic head methanol is to be used for fire starting or paint stripping but the issue was what that has to do with distilling from an aluminum pot? If it pits, colors, or smells==I'll stop. Until then, chili beans have always been a friend of mine.

I "think" according to modern sensibilities......no one can tell what she/he is as its mostly an internal process. She/he does not give it away in the video but iirc she uses a girls name....as much as any name is gender id'ing. I'm sure she has a laugh with some of the double entendre film shots she uses. Earthworms have sex........fairly boring subject........... EXCEPT for our own. Much of life is like that.
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Postby JO 753 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:24 am

AUaUghh! My eyez!

Therez at least 1 thing in that video that shoud be banned!
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Postby JO 753 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:26 am

PS. I didnt watch the vid. Just going by the preview pik. Like the horrible Sonobelo commercialz they play on the local stationz all day.
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Re: Rachel Maddow to the rescue!

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:36 am

JO 753 wrote:AUaUghh! My eyez!

Therez at least 1 thing in that video that shoud be banned!


You mean putting the stir stick on the ground? ((Ha, ha................."could be"!!)). I thought he/she was OK...could be fun to know. It was his/her girl friend that kinda creeped me out.

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