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The real causes of the Egyptair disaster

Postby Flash » Mon May 23, 2016 9:53 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3603127/Egypt-deploys-submarine-capable-diving-10-000ft-search-downed-EgyptAir-jet-flight-data-suggests-plane-downed-fire-toilet.html
This inexhaustible source of information on everything imaginable the Daily Mail reports that there are still other possible reasons for the disaster; an ufo and an Israeli F16.

EgyptAir flight MS804 may have been brought down after getting caught up in Israeli air force exercises over the Mediterranean Sea, it has been claimed.


Two Turkish airline pilots claim they saw a UFO flying over their plane around an hour before MS804 crashed.
They said the object had green lights and passed by their passenger jet as they approached Istanbul's Ataturk Airport from Bodrum at around 11.30pm on Thursday.


I think there still are other possible causes the investigators ought to, well, investigate.
Space turd hitting both engines at the same time, the wild animals breaking out of their cages and eating the pilots, and the classic one; you know how some people freak out and try to open the doors during the flight? Well, this time somebody had succeeded.
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I believe they* will find, after careful consideration, that it ran into the Moon.



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Postby psychiatry is a scam » Tue May 24, 2016 12:42 am

wonder how the maintenance of that jet compares with the maintenance of air force one ?

if flying is safe , the maintenance should be the same ? :burn:
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psychiatry is a scam wrote:wonder how the maintenance of that jet compares with the maintenance of air force one ?

if flying is safe , the maintenance should be the same ? :burn:

Some turd world airline would do the same standard of maintenance as Air Force One? Not on this planet.
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Flash wrote: I think there still are other possible causes .....Space turd hitting both engines at the same time,
This demands further investigation. Was it an alien space turd, an evil Russian secret space turd or a patriotic, all American space turd?
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psychiatry is a scam wrote:wonder how the maintenance of that jet compares with the maintenance of air force one ?

if flying is safe , the maintenance should be the same ? :burn:

Some turd world airline would do the same standard of maintenance as Air Force One? Not on this planet.

One would think so but my confirmation bias tells me that American workmanship has been going down.
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psychiatry is a scam wrote:wonder how the maintenance of that jet compares with the maintenance of air force one ?

if flying is safe , the maintenance should be the same ? :burn:

Some turd world airline would do the same standard of maintenance as Air Force One? Not on this planet.

One would think so but my confirmation bias tells me that American workmanship has been going down.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue May 24, 2016 3:23 am

Aren't the cold hard materialistic reality oriented FACT of the matter that flying has long been the safest mode of travel and getting better all the time. I think thats a wrap.
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Postby Aztexan » Tue May 24, 2016 4:02 am

I think technically time travel is the safest mode of transportation since to date no one has died from it.
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Aztexan wrote:I think technically time travel is the safest mode of transportation since to date no one has died from it.
Apparently I'm going to die in seven years time, from my time travel trip from last year, but we can worry about that later :D

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Aztexan wrote:I think technically time travel is the safest mode of transportation since to date no one has died from it.

Hmmph! Show me a time traveler who hasn't died from it.
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Postby Aztexan » Wed May 25, 2016 12:16 am

Well I haven't died yet so... :neener:
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed May 25, 2016 12:51 am

Time travel is safe until you leave the portal open and dinosaurs or Morlocks pour through. This happens all too often but gets fixed. One day though...................
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Ok stop it. You're scaring me.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Aren't the cold hard materialistic reality oriented FACT of the matter that flying has long been the safest mode of travel and getting better all the time. I think thats a wrap.


could you state the facts that the claim is based on ?

website wood bee ok -

how much safer is it to fly than drive - really ? by ransom stephens 1/24/11
has a paragraph that uses the number - (about 300 billion) trips by car per year - and only 720 million flights
the 300 billion could be much higher based on what you call a trip .
I can get in my car , drive around the block - now that is one complete trip and I feel much safer than flying .
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed May 25, 2016 10:13 pm

scambait: I think the statistic is per mile traveled. Not trips. And its true even including the intentional downing of aircraft. Trips ≠ Clever.
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Postby Flash » Wed May 25, 2016 11:14 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3609314/Was-MS804-struck-METEOR-Russian-space-officials-warned-rock-entered-Earth-s-atmosphere-break-region-day-jet-vanished.html
Yes, the Daily Mail where I get all of my information about the world from confirmed today that it was probably a space turd that destroyed the Egyptair plane.

As mystery continues to surround the disappearance of EgyptAir MS804 a bizarre new theory has emerged claiming that the plane was brought down by a meteor fragment.
According to the claim, a 10,000-tonne meteor travelling at speeds of up to 67,000mph broke up in the Earth's atmosphere on May 17.
Reports claim Russian space officials warned fragments of the meteor could still have been falling to Earth on May 19, when MS804 lost contact with air traffic controllers at 00.30GMT


The meteor fragment my ass... the space turd.
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Postby psychiatry is a scam » Wed May 25, 2016 11:19 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:scambait: I think the statistic is per mile traveled. Not trips. And its true even including the intentional downing of aircraft. Trips ≠ Clever.


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Flash wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3609314/Was-MS804-struck-METEOR-Russian-space-officials-warned-rock-entered-Earth-s-atmosphere-break-region-day-jet-vanished.html
Yes, the Daily Mail where I get all of my information about the world from confirmed today that it was probably a space turd that destroyed the Egyptair plane.

As mystery continues to surround the disappearance of EgyptAir MS804 a bizarre new theory has emerged claiming that the plane was brought down by a meteor fragment.
According to the claim, a 10,000-tonne meteor travelling at speeds of up to 67,000mph broke up in the Earth's atmosphere on May 17.
Reports claim Russian space officials warned fragments of the meteor could still have been falling to Earth on May 19, when MS804 lost contact with air traffic controllers at 00.30GMT


The meteor fragment my ass... the space turd.

Oh for {!#%@}'s sakes.

First of all, it wasn't a "10,000 tonne meteor". They're confusing this with this and this. Asteroids do not streak across the sky except in time-lapse images, and 10,000 tonne meteors do not strike the Earth without someone noticing.

The claim is that the meteor on May 17th (called a "bolide", which is basically just a very bright meteor) was a fragment of an asteroid that hit the atmosphere and broke up. The plane crashed on May 19th. That would mean the alleged meteor that allegedly hit MS804 and allegedly came from the alleged asteroid would have been falling around the Earth (AKA "orbitting") for about two days before it miraculously managed to locate the plane.

Is it possible? Yes. Is it possible to win every single lottery draw on the planet that is made on any particular day without losing a single one? Also yes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/e ... 63fae86214

The report makes no reference to how this supposed scenario was confirmed and the theory was quickly debunked by aviation analyst Phil Derner of NYCAviation.com....

...“I think the odds of a meteor hitting the aircraft are the same as a mid-air collision with Icarus.”

Indeed, there are no documented instances of a meteorite striking an aeroplane. And as Scientific American points out: “A meteorite impact need not be a catastrophic event. Presumably it would cause a deadly explosion only if it hit a critical part of aircraft.”
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The plane crashed on May 19th. That would mean the alleged meteor that allegedly hit MS804 and allegedly came from the alleged asteroid would have been falling around the Earth (AKA "orbitting") for about two days before it miraculously managed to locate the plane.

And why is this such an incomprehensible notion? Is there any evidence that some fragments of meteors that break up in the atmosphere can't physically be thrown into an unstable Earth orbit and fly around for a few days?
And the experts say no, just as they did when they told us the margarine was good for us, the continents didn't move, and the sun revolves around the Earth.

And here we have one of the experts, Phil, the aviation, probably atmospheric and outa space, as well as the tarot card reading specialist.
The report makes no reference to how this supposed scenario was confirmed and the theory was quickly debunked by aviation analyst Phil Derner of NYCAviation.com....

It was "quickly debunked". This is what the Huffington Post experts are for. Debunk something before anybody regains consciousness. Well done Phil.
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“I think the odds of a meteor hitting the aircraft are the same as a mid-air collision with Icarus.”


Well, hitting Santa Claus on his way from the North Pole and Icarus on his way down would be hard to do. But what about all those planes that have disappeared without trace? Can Phil categorically deny that they were hit by some "space turd" Of course he can. He is an expert and an expert can deny anything.

And now for your entertaining pleasure ladies and gentlemen, more experts, this time from the Scientific American.

Indeed, there are no documented instances of a meteorite striking an aeroplane. And as Scientific American points out: “A meteorite impact need not be a catastrophic event. Presumably it would cause a deadly explosion only if it hit a critical part of aircraft.”


A piece of space turd flying at thousands km/h hits a plane and everybody survives to take selfies and talk about it on tv shows. Yes, the turd hit us but god intervened and saved us, isn't that great?

Well again, what about all those planes that actually suddenly disappeared. You know, all those Bermuda Triangle vanished planes, Amelia Erhard, Malaysia 370 , and many more. Can the experts explain all that?
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Flash wrote:Gord wrote:
The plane crashed on May 19th. That would mean the alleged meteor that allegedly hit MS804 and allegedly came from the alleged asteroid would have been falling around the Earth (AKA "orbitting") for about two days before it miraculously managed to locate the plane.

And why is this such an incomprehensible notion?

It's not. I specifically said so in the very next line!

And the experts say no, just as they did when they told us the margarine was good for us, the continents didn't move, and the sun revolves around the Earth.

I'm pretty sure these are different "experts".

And here we have one of the experts, Phil, the aviation, probably atmospheric and outa space, as well as the tarot card reading specialist.
The report makes no reference to how this supposed scenario was confirmed and the theory was quickly debunked by aviation analyst Phil Derner of NYCAviation.com....

It was "quickly debunked". This is what the Huffington Post experts are for. Debunk something before anybody regains consciousness. Well done Phil.
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“I think the odds of a meteor hitting the aircraft are the same as a mid-air collision with Icarus.”


Well, hitting Santa Claus on his way from the North Pole and Icarus on his way down would be hard to do. But what about all those planes that have disappeared without trace? Can Phil categorically deny that they were hit by some "space turd" Of course he can. He is an expert and an expert can deny anything.

Phil doesn't need to categorically deny anything. He has excellent work as a groundhog.

And now for your entertaining pleasure ladies and gentlemen, more experts, this time from the Scientific American.

Indeed, there are no documented instances of a meteorite striking an aeroplane. And as Scientific American points out: “A meteorite impact need not be a catastrophic event. Presumably it would cause a deadly explosion only if it hit a critical part of aircraft.”


A piece of space turd flying at thousands km/h hits a plane and everybody survives to take selfies and talk about it on tv shows. Yes, the turd hit us but god intervened and saved us, isn't that great?

Well again, what about all those planes that actually suddenly disappeared. You know, all those Bermuda Triangle vanished planes, Amelia Erhard, Malaysia 370 , and many more. Can the experts explain all that?

Yes.

However, The Experts will not explain them with "space debris hit them" because there's no evidence of space debris hitting them. In fact, if there was that much space debris hitting planes, you'd expect space debris to also be hitting things on the ground at an equally alarming rate. How many shopping malls have been struck by meteors? How many sports stadiums? How many airport terminals?
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And the experts say no, just as they did when they told us the margarine was good for us, the continents didn't move, and the sun revolves around the Earth.

Gord:
I'm pretty sure these are different "experts".

Yeap, but what unites them all is this messianic urge to tell the rubble how things really are in the world.

Gord:
However, The Experts will not explain them with "space debris hit them" because there's no evidence of space debris hitting them. In fact, if there was that much space debris hitting planes, you'd expect space debris to also be hitting things on the ground at an equally alarming rate. How many shopping malls have been struck by meteors? How many sports stadiums? How many airport terminals?

But the rate is not alarming. A meteorite hit is indeed a rare occurrence. Very few planes have been hit and probably even fewer airport terminals, stadiums and the shopping malls. That's because there are gigantically more planes in the world than the shopping malls.

Look, if the meteorites did not land on Earth at all we would not have the meteorite hunters who actually find solid, often metallic fragments big enough to down a plane.
But they do hit houses as well, here;
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And by the way, our neighborhood mall probably gets hit all the time judging by the persistent leaks in the roof when it rains. Although if we were completely scientific about it we could say that the kids throwing the stones on the glass roof could be the culprits too. ;)
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Flash wrote:Flash:
And the experts say no, just as they did when they told us the margarine was good for us, the continents didn't move, and the sun revolves around the Earth.

Gord:
I'm pretty sure these are different "experts".

Yeap, but what unites them all is this messianic urge to tell the rubble how things really are in the world.

No, what unites them is your desire to unite them.

Gord:
However, The Experts will not explain them with "space debris hit them" because there's no evidence of space debris hitting them. In fact, if there was that much space debris hitting planes, you'd expect space debris to also be hitting things on the ground at an equally alarming rate. How many shopping malls have been struck by meteors? How many sports stadiums? How many airport terminals?

But the rate is not alarming. A meteorite hit is indeed a rare occurrence. Very few planes have been hit and probably even fewer airport terminals, stadiums and the shopping malls. That's because there are gigantically more planes in the world than the shopping malls.

That's exactly what I'm saying. A meteor hit is a rare occurrence, therefore declaring a specific plane was destroyed by a meteor is speculation bordering on the nonsensical.

But they do hit houses as well, here;
A meteorite from a fireball that lit up the night sky over Northern California last week hit the roof of a Novato house and landed in the backyard, scientists say. - See more at: http://www.space.com/18156-meteorite-di ... s0LNn.dpuf

And therefore it's extremely rare and can't the declared the cause of a particular plane being lost.

You might as well claim it was a whooping crane, you've got about the same amount of evidence to support your claim.

And by the way, our neighborhood mall probably gets hit all the time judging by the persistent leaks in the roof when it rains. Although if we were completely scientific about it we could say that the kids throwing the stones on the glass roof could be the culprits too. ;)

It probably just about everything else beside meteors. Birds. The weather. Mexican rapist immigrants stealing your welfare job. And then, after all that, somewhere far down the list: Meteors.
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Postby psychiatry is a scam » Sun May 29, 2016 1:42 pm

when I first read about something breaking up in the atmosphere and pieces going into an unstable orbit ; I thought yea sure why not .
but stuff does not orbit in the atmosphere . once it hits the atmosphere it is 2 close .
gravity aint gonna let anything escape . as an example the video of the explosion in Russia shows the blast going down .

but damit , the explosion could have caused a few pieces to boost back into space

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You might as well claim it was a whooping crane, you've got about the same amount of evidence to support your claim...

It probably just about everything else beside meteors. Birds. The weather. Mexican rapist immigrants stealing your welfare job. And then, after all that, somewhere far down the list: Meteors.

Okay, so it's either a meteor or the whooping crane although a bird, never mind the whooping crane, can't fly at 10 000 meters, can it?

The flying Mexican rapist immigrants? Yeap, these guys can do anything.

psychiatry is a scam makes a good point I think, thank you pias, namely that anything broken up in the atmosphere will quickly burn or fall down. Remember the Shuttle Columbia disaster? It burned and fell to Earth.
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Re: The real causes of the Egyptair disaster

Postby Gord » Mon May 30, 2016 1:37 am

Flash wrote:Gord wrote:
You might as well claim it was a whooping crane, you've got about the same amount of evidence to support your claim...

It probably just about everything else beside meteors. Birds. The weather. Mexican rapist immigrants stealing your welfare job. And then, after all that, somewhere far down the list: Meteors.

Okay, so it's either a meteor or the whooping crane although a bird, never mind the whooping crane, can't fly at 10 000 meters, can it?

Sure it can! Why not? If necessary, I could strap one to a rocket for ya.

Might be easier for the plane to carry its own whooping crane on board, though. Just toss it out a window when you're ready, and let it jam up one of the engines.

psychiatry is a scam makes a good point I think, thank you pias, namely that anything broken up in the atmosphere will quickly burn or fall down. Remember the Shuttle Columbia disaster? It burned and fell to Earth.

I didn't want to say anything, but an asteroid that strikes the atmosphere at a shallow angle can bounce away into space, and if it breaks up, some of the pieces can fall to Earth at a later time.

I'm lazy, so read this if you're interested enough to want to know a little more: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/sho ... p?t=562456 I haven't read it all myself, 'cause I'm lazy, but I skimmed something and it seemed close enough, so meh, whatevs.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon May 30, 2016 1:53 am

I've never seen it but geese are seen flying OVER Mt Everest every year....and soaring birds have been reported ABOVE commercial airliners at flight levels 36000 and above. What they are breathing..... I don't know. Fewer lift molecules at altitude....... ain't nature great?
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bobbo the pragmatist wrote:
I've never seen it but geese are seen flying OVER Mt Everest every year....and soaring birds have been reported ABOVE commercial airliners at flight levels 36000 and above. What they are breathing..... I don't know. Fewer lift molecules at altitude....... ain't nature great?

Oh I get it now...these soaring birds soar, really high and get hit by meteor fragments and sadly killed but on the way down they manage to hit passenger planes and destroy them. The experts then, let's not forget the experts, explain to the idiots (us) that it was a bird hit that brought down an airliner and not the meteor fragments.

That's why when you look at statistics the bird hits are much more numerous than the meteor hits. Yeap, you can prove anything with statistics. :mrgreen:
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Re: The real causes of the Egyptair disaster

Postby Gord » Mon May 30, 2016 1:58 pm

Flash wrote:you can prove anything with statistics

Can you prove that with statistics?
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Postby OlegTheBatty » Mon May 30, 2016 8:46 pm

Why do birds always get the blame? Why not witches on brooms?

One of these days, I'll prove it using statistics.
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Re: The real causes of the Egyptair disaster

Postby Flash » Mon May 30, 2016 11:17 pm

Oh you've got to get experts to prove stuff like this...always. A women has just become a midnight snack for a crocodile in Australia and I am sure the baffled TV stations around the world called in all the known crocodile experts on the planet who finally told the public an awful truth; yes sir, if one goes for a swim at midnight in the crocodile infested waters one will be eaten alive.

At least in this case all the experts had the same opinion about the incident. CNN for example, is plagued by experts who can't even agree with each other. If they call in ten experts on some matter they often end up with eleven different and often contradictory opinions. Broadcast that CNN to the astonished world.
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Postby Austin Harper » Tue May 31, 2016 6:20 pm

For the record, some large birds (vultures, cranes, geese) actually can fly to altitudes of ~10,000 m.
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Re: The real causes of the Egyptair disaster

Postby Gord » Tue May 31, 2016 6:22 pm

Austin Harper wrote:For the record, some large birds (vultures, cranes, geese) actually can fly to altitudes of ~10,000 m.

So can monkeys and small Russian dogs.
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Re: The real causes of the Egyptair disaster

Postby Austin Harper » Tue May 31, 2016 7:26 pm

Are you confusing 10,000 m (the altitude commercial airliners fly at) with 100,000 m (the generally recognized "edge" of space)?

(FYI Laika, the Russian dog flew up to a 1,659,000 m apogee)
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Re: The real causes of the Egyptair disaster

Postby Gord » Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:08 am

No, you have to reach 10,000 m on the way up to 100,000 m or higher.
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Re: The real causes of the Egyptair disaster

Postby gorgeous » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:09 pm

Here is a session by Daz Smith done in April 2016. His intent doing the session was to describe the most newsworthy event of May 2016, which turned out to be the EgyptAir Flight #804. https://youtu.be/jg-C5Cgk6Gc
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Re: The real causes of the Egyptair disaster

Postby gorgeous » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:44 pm

Daz^^said the attacking ship felt like a manmade ufo....very high tech ...
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Re: The real causes of the Egyptair disaster

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:42 am

gorgeous wrote:Daz^^said the attacking ship felt like a manmade ufo....very high tech ...


TOTAL FAIL
You are directly lying.

The idiot "remote viewer" never mentions the word UFO. You simply made that up.
He says "I didn't feel any life involved". You said he said man made UFO.

The idiot "remote viewer" draws a missile and claims it hit a jet. In reality the black boxes have been recovered and show that Egyptian Air 804 had smoke damage suggesting an internal fire.

Even more hilarious the idiot "remote viewer" states the jet crashed on dry land and embeds into the ground, when in reality it crashed in the sea.

However, using the standard cold reading technique of supplying three very different answers simultaneously, so any answer can be a"hit", the idiot "remote viewer" claims it is a missile and an energy beam simultaneously.


Here is his drawing of a missile
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Yet here is his simultaneous drawing of a laser energy weapon
Remote Viewing failure 2.JPG

...and here is his drawing of the plane crashing into dry land, where he writes "dry land". (The plane crashed in

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Re: The real causes of the Egyptair disaster

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:39 am

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The only real mystery about "remote viewing" is why did Courtney Brown, the cult leader, decide to start wearing a bright red wig and start dressing like David Caruso from CSI Miami? :lol:

Courtney Brown is mad as a hatter.......

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Re: The real causes of the Egyptair disaster

Postby gorgeous » Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:04 pm

near the middle he said it
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