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Saudis just threatened America

Postby Flash » Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:27 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-threatens-to-sell-off-us-assets-if-congress-passes-911-bill-a6987281.html
I don't know if Americans realize but there are literally thousands of classified documents having to do with the Saudi role in 9/11 episode and something like 28 pages classified and blacked out in the 9/11 report itself. The Congress is about to consider pressing Obama to declassify those documents as well as repealing the law passed after 9/11 that does not allow the American citizens to sue foreign governments. This law was passed after the 9/11 in order to specifically protect the Saudis from being sued by the families of those killed in the disaster.

So what happens? The Saudis freak out and threaten the US with the financial Armageddon.
Officials in Saudi Arabia have reportedly told the Obama administration they will sell off hundreds of billions of dollars of American assets if Congress passes a bill that would allow the Saudi government to be held responsible for any role in the September 11 attacks.


On the eve of President Barack Obama’s visit to Saudi Arabia, the New York Times said the White House had been lobbying Congress to block the bill’s passage and that the threat from Saudi Arabia had been the subject of intense talks.


Can you imagine this? A piss pocket medieval tyranny threatens the Empire and the Empire shits bricks. Screw the freedom of information, transparency and any fairness that the victims of 9/11 deserve, the Saudi lobbyists in Washington probably will have bribed enough people in Congress and the government to stop this disclosure.

Those medieval {!#%@} by the way, seem to know what is in those classified documents and blacked out 28 pages of the report and they are afraid of something. Otherwise they would not raise such a stink about it.

The question is, who prevented Americans from finding out what's in all those classified documents and who told the Saudis. Who was the great American patriot who spilled the beans for hard cash? it's easy to imagine isn't it?

But who tries to screw the Americans and keep the Saudis happy now? We all know that, Obama.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:58 am

Congress can pass a law declassifying those documents...... if they wanted to. Obama could do it too..... if he wanted to.

Always amusing: the shock of the obvious.

I blame Snowden....he missed a cache.
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Postby TJrandom » Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:02 am

So what if they sell assets? Make it a fire sale and the buyers will get a bargain. I`m freeing up some cash right now.

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Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:10 pm

Flash wrote: I don't know if Americans realize but there are literally thousands of classified documents having to do with the Saudi role in 9/11 episode and something like 28 pages classified and blacked out in the 9/11 report itself. .
I haven't got a clue what's going on here but.....

If Saudi Arabia were an oppressive regime ( which it probably is) and it spied on its own people ( which it probably does) and those bits of information gathered by an oppressive regime (which they probably gathered) crossed over with something the USA needed to know ( which it probably did) then everyone should probably keep that quiet ( which is probably what's going on)

Imagine some bloke in a suit, saying to the Saudi's in 2001 "Please just tell us everything. We will do everything to keep your name out of it. We just have to get to the bottom of this quickly". If I made you President tomorrow, and this were the case, what would you say, from fifteen years ago? There is no right answer. It's just interesting.

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Postby gorgeous » Sun Apr 17, 2016 3:28 pm

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Postby gorgeous » Sun Apr 17, 2016 3:30 pm

no, most Americans don't know the role the Saudis played in 911.....-------

How US covered up Saudi role in 9/11 | New York Post

nypost.com/2016/.../how-us-covered-up-saudi-role-in-91...

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----------5 hours ago - In its report on the still-censored “28 pages” implicating the Saudi government in 9/11, “60 Minutes” last weekend said the Saudi role in the ...

How the FBI is whitewashing the Saudi connection to 9/11 ...

nypost.com/.../saudi-role-in-911-being-whitewashed-by-f...

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Apr 12, 2015 - They tracked at least one suspect's re-entry into the US. The Saudi-9/11 connection in Florida was no small part of the overall 9/11 investigation ...
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Postby gorgeous » Sun Apr 17, 2016 3:44 pm

wiki------House of Bush, House of Saud: The Secret Relationship Between the World's Two Most Powerful Dynasties is a 2004 book by Craig Unger that explores the relationship between the Saudi Royal Family and the Bush extended political family.-------- Unger asserts that the groundwork for today's terrorist movements and the modern wars that have sprung up about them was unintentionally laid more than 30 years ago with a series of business deals between the ruling Saudis and the powerful Bush family. The Saudis received investments and military protection in exchange for cooperation on lucrative oil deals. The author claims that the result has been a shady alliance between "the world's two most powerful dynasties." Unger writes, "Never before has an American president been so closely tied to a foreign power that harbors and supports our country's mortal enemies."
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The Bush-Saudi Connection

http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm

The Bush-Saudi Connection. --------- -Salem bin Laden, Osama's brother, has conducted all his American affairs through James Bath, a Houston crony of the Bush family. Bath's former business partner Bill White testified in court that Bath had been a liaison for the C.I.A. In 1979 Bath invested $50,000 in Arbusto, George W. Bush's first business venture. Rumor had it that Bath was acting as Salem bin Laden's representative. "In conflicting statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing Bath, then acknowledged his stake in Arbusto and that he was aware Bath represented Saudi interests." (4) --------(Bush Sr. was the head of the CIA)------- With C.I.A. funding, Osama bin Laden imported engineers and equipment from his father's Saudi construction company to build tunnels for guerrilla training centers and hospitals, and for arms dumps near the Pakistan border. After the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan, the C.I.A. and the Pakistani intelligence agency sponsored the Taliban organization, a government composed of the fanatic Wahhabi Islamic sect, the same sect that is the state religion in Saudi Arabia.

In addition to doing aviation business with Saudi sheiks, Bath was part owner of a Houston bank whose chief stockholder was Ghaith Pharaon, who represented the Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI), a criminal global bank with branches in 73 countries. BCCI proceeded to defraud depositors of $10 billion during the '80s, while providing a money laundry conduit for the Medellin drug cartel, Asia's major heroin cartel, Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein, the C.I.A., and Islamist terrorist organizations worldwide.------------- In The Conspirators, Al Martin describes an instance of the latter. He says that the Gulf Oil Drilling Supply, of New York, Miami, and Bahrain, was Jeb Bush's favorite artifice for oil and gas frauds:


"The fraud was rather simple. Richard Secord arranged through then Vice President George Bush Sr.'s old friend, Ghaith Pharaon, the then retired head of Saudi intelligence, for Gulf Oil and Drilling to purchase from the Saudi government oil and gas leases in the Gulf which were effectively worthless." =---------- The leases would be embellished to appear extremely valuable and then used as loan collateral. Great American Bank and Trust of West Palm Beach subsequently failed under the weight of unpaid Iran-Contra loans.


"Also, in the case of Gulf Oil Drilling Supply, there was some moderately large international lending to that company. As you would suspect, it was principally out of the old George Bush friendly banks--Credit Lyonnais and Banque Paribas, which, combined lent $60 million dollars to Gulf Oil Drilling Supply, which, of course, was defaulted on later." ---------------- Springmann observed that 15 of the 19 people who allegedly flew airplanes into buildings in the United States got their visas from the same CIA-dominated consulate in Jeddah. As a special favor to residents of Saudi Arabia (including non-Saudi citizens), applicants for non-immigrant visas can apply at private travel agencies and receive their visa through the mail. During the months following the 9-11 attack, 102 applicants received their visas by mail, 2 more were interviewed, and none were rejected. ----------------Apparently it is not only the Saudis' oil riches that insulates them from criticism, but also their calculated distribution of largesse. The Saudis have contributed to every presidential library in recent decades. Not surprisingly, former ambassadors to Saudi Arabia from the United States end up being apologists for the corrupt, despotic Saudi regime. The Saudis have arranged that American ambassadors to their country not speak Arabic. The American embassy in Saudi Arabia gets all its information about the reactionary regime from the rulers.


Some of the Washington politicians who found the Saudi connection lucrative include Spiro Agnew, Frank Carlucci, Jimmy Carter, Clark Clifford, John Connally, James Baker, George H. W. Bush, William Simon and Caspar Weinberger----------------------------lots more details in the article
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Postby gorgeous » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:08 pm

A Void in the History of September 11th - The New Yorker

www.newyorker.com/news/daily.../twenty-eight-pages


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Sep 9, 2014 - In 2002, the Bush Administration redacted a congressional report on Saudi involvement in the 9/11 attacks.
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Postby ElectricMonk » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:27 pm

On this, gorgeous is 100% right - most 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, as everyone knows.
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Postby gorgeous » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:33 pm

I'm always right .. :D --------- ..the 'hijackers' were just patsies themselves....the planes were remote controlled, the remote viewers saw them trying to get control of the planes but they were unable to do it...they were on automatic pilot...remember it was within a couple of hours the govt told us exactly who they were, how they did it...the script was already written......
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Postby TJrandom » Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:34 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:On this, gorgeous is 100% right - most 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, as everyone knows.


That is why the US went to war against Iraq... :roll: :oops: :cry:

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:07 pm

The redacted material is about the Saudi involvement in the 911 attack. This permits for a wide range of fact collection, assumptions, speculations and conclusions from nearly harmless to quite damning.

My guess: the report delves into members of the Royal Family, not the top political leaders or Kings, directly supporting the religious elements of the country that organized the attack. The Kings KNOW this is going on, but do not stop it. So... not directly involved, just as responsible as can possibly be other than pulling the trigger.

In this regard, the House of Saud is much like the Republican Party and the evil top .01% of the Already Too Rich. Completely captured and operating at the will of those who keep them in power.

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Postby scrmbldggs » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:40 am

bobbo_the_Pharmacist wrote:...Politics.

Politics: “Poli” a Latin word meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures".

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Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:18 am

Flash wrote:Can you imagine this? A piss pocket medieval tyranny threatens the Empire and the Empire shits bricks.
I see this another way. Ten years ago, the Saudis could threaten to cut oil production and increase the cost of oil, to harm the USA's economy. They can't do that any more, due to alternative oil producers making up for reduced production.

The Saudi government is simply testing the water with new sorts of threats, which are half-arsed and won't work.

I think the USA State Department, has been fairly clever in slowly removing this old type of threat from the Saudis.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:28 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
bobbo_the_Pharmacist wrote:...Politics.

Politics: “Poli” a Latin word meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures".

Yep.......PoliLEACHES is more descriptive, but the Greeks went with ticks. Item #1589 for the next Constitutional Convention.
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Postby TJrandom » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:04 am

Is it too late to bomb them along the lines that the US did to Iraq? I am sure that the Bushies will gladly pay for it, and line up for tank duty. :burn:

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Postby Gord » Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:01 am

TJrandom wrote:
ElectricMonk wrote:On this, gorgeous is 100% right - most 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, as everyone knows.


That is why the US went to war against Iraq... :roll: :oops: :cry:

Pakistan. Right? They went to war with Pakistan? (I don't have a scorecard any more.)
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Re: Saudis just threatened America

Postby Flash » Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:48 am

http://news.antiwar.com/2016/04/20/obama-faces-chilly-reception-on-arrival-in-saudi-arabia/
So... Barry went to the Head Choppers Inc. aka the Saudi Arabia and at the airport there was nobody to even say hello to Barry and even ask him; what do you want?

Well, almost, some minor government official showed up to tell Barry where he can park his plane.
Saudi King Salman had been at the airport, broadcast on state TV greeting other arriving leaders for the GCC summit, by the time Obama got there, he and the TV crew were long gone, and only the local governor was there to meet with him.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-if-we-let-americans-sue-saudis-for-911-foreigners-will-begin-suing-us-non-stop/5520961
Before Barry made his haj to Mecca he was on the Charlie Rose show where he talked about maybe declassifying those 28 pages of the 9/11 report.
“But this has been a process which we generally deal through the intelligence community, and Jim Clapper, our director of intelligence, has been going through to make sure that whatever it is that is released, is not going to compromise some major national security interests of the United States, and my understanding is that he’s about to complete that process,”

Which of course means that some things will still be classified and blacked out and we won't really know for sure what's in the report.

Then, he complained to Charlie that if Americans are allowed to sue the foreign governments then the foreigners will be able to sue the Empire and that won't be good for nobody.
“If we open up the possibility that individuals in the United States can routinely start suing other governments, then we are also opening up the United States to being continually sued by individuals in other countries,” the commander-in-chief said.

Does this argument make sense? I don't know. Perhaps we could get an opinion from the politically savvy forum members? :mrgreen:
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Saudi Arabia Has Funded 20% Of Hillary's Presidential Campaign, Saudi Crown Prince Claims
Zero Hedge‎ - 4 hours ago--------------------------Hillary claims to support women and gays yet takes millions of dollars from the worst countries that kill and abuse women and gays.......Trump needs to ask her why that is acceptable...---------Hillary Clinton took money from the kings of four countries, GOP chief ...


www.politifact.com/.../hillary-clinton- ... -kings-f...

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Apr 20, 2015 - Says Hillary Clinton took "money from kings of Saudi Arabia and ... The kingdom gave between $10 million and $25 million to the Clinton Foundation ... The Sultanate of Oman gave the foundation between $1 million and $5
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Clintons' Persian Gulf Sheikhs Gave Them $100 Million | The Daily ...

dailycaller.com/.../exclusive-persian-gulf-sheikhs-gave-b...

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May 11, 2016 - The Clinton Foundation's ties go beyond support from governments. Four billionaire Saudis, along with groups the Dubai Foundation and ...
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Postby Aztexan » Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:31 pm

Money is speech, baby. Money is speech.
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Postby Flash » Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:30 pm

At least he paid him. It was a commercial exchange. Isn't capitalism wonderful?
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gorgeous wrote:
Saudi Arabia Has Funded 20% Of Hillary's Presidential Campaign, Saudi Crown Prince Claims
Zero Hedge‎ - 4 hours ago--------------------------Hillary claims to support women and gays yet takes millions of dollars from the worst countries that kill and abuse women and gays.......Trump needs to ask her why that is acceptable...---------Hillary Clinton took money from the kings of four countries, GOP chief ..


The Arab moguls are trying to out compete the Jewish oligarchs and buy as much of the US congress and all the important presidential candidates as quickly as possible.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:55 pm

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