First Heard, f believed - Panama Papers==UPDATE

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Re: First Heard, believed = Panama Papers--UPDATE

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat May 07, 2016 4:27 pm

UPDATE: http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/ma ... injustices

Article claims criminal activity is revealed in the papers, but no specific example is given.....making that issue a bit suspect now.

Of interest is the praise for Snowden and disturbingly that so many news outlets were not interested in publishing the papers.

Our Media really is failing us on so many issues: eg--who is going thru the papers to find the actual frauds rather than just the structure to make fraud easier to hide?
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Re: First Heard, f believed - Panama Papers==UPDATE

Postby zeuzzz » Sat May 21, 2016 9:44 am

The Putin angle was just picked up initially by a lot of forms of media, because that's what they do with Russia. If they can squeeze an anti-russian / Putin angle out of the leaks they will, and did. I hear the link to Putin is pretty tenuos anyway.

In terms of your above question bobbo it's very easy for me to see how when trawling through these long lists of mega rich people and speaking to them before publishing papers that money would exchange hands at some point to stop certain things coming to light.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun May 22, 2016 2:40 am

zzzzzzzzzzz I disagree. The papers show people very close to Putin (childhood friends and old associates in the KGB) are the beneficiaries/controllers of very large investment portfolios even though they have no means of making money much less such large sums of money as to justify a Panama account. Money doesn't grow on trees you know, but if you are BFF with Putin, life is good.
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun May 22, 2016 6:24 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:zzzzzzzzzzz I disagree. The papers show people very close to Putin (childhood friends and old associates in the KGB) are the beneficiaries/controllers of very large investment portfolios even though they have no means of making money much less such large sums of money as to justify a Panama account. Money doesn't grow on trees you know, but if you are BFF with Putin, life is good.


This is a strange thread.

"An unprecedented leak of documents shows how this money has made members of Putin’s close circle fabulously wealthy. Though the president’s name does not appear in any of the records, the data reveals a pattern – his friends have earned millions from deals that seemingly could not have been secured without his patronage. Some of the reports focused on Roldugin, a childhood friend of Putin who is the godfather of the Russian leader’s eldest daughter. Roldugin was said to be at the center of transactions totaling about $2 billion that involved Bank Rossiya.

If any of you bothered looking.......Roldugin owns 12.5% stake in Russia and Eastern Europe’s biggest TV advertising firm, Video International, which turned over 86 billion rubles, two years ago. Secondly the company was establish in 1987 before Boris Yeltsin was president.

http://www.vi.ru/

Roldugin is also a Cellist. His business partner who established the company is also a well known Russian chess player. That's how Russian businessmen like to be known....as artists & poets. It's traditional. That's why Vladimir Putin plays perfect piano on Russian TV.......he's really a pianist who just happens to be President.

(There are heaps of Russian cultural differences that take time to pick up on)

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Re: First Heard, f believed - Panama Papers==UPDATE

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun May 22, 2016 6:56 am

Matt: yeah...I overstated the case there. I guess if Putin gives you the money/contract first then indeed you are rich on your own "merit"......ummm.....until Putin asks you "for a loan."
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon May 23, 2016 1:28 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Matt: yeah...I overstated the case there. I guess if Putin gives you the money/contract first then indeed you are rich on your own "merit"......ummm.....until Putin asks you "for a loan."


I have to be careful what I am saying here. There is corruption and cronies getting jobs. It's Moscow. :D

I'm simply suggesting that when the Oligarchs stripped former Soviet state assets and ran overseas, that other Russians bought the same undervalued companies and stayed in Russia and became rich anyway. Putin became friends with the guys who stayed behind to "get in".

Again this is all very murky. It would seem that different people at different times, became aware that Russian "soviet" state companies were incredibly undervalued. It would be hard to say if the good guys or bad guys worked this out first. My gut feeling is that the economic assessment division of the foreign KGB was probably aware and thus many subscribers who received these valuation reports, in other departments, took the opportunity to take the assets and run away. I think there is a bit of shame internally at the old KGB and that why they absolutely hate the oligarchs.

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Re: First Heard, f believed - Panama Papers==UPDATE

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon May 23, 2016 1:39 am

You really want to visit Russia again don't you! I did enjoy my 3 week cruise on the Volga. One of my best experiences ever. So good infact, it is one vacation I would enjoy taking over again.

But............here's a bottom line............do you think if Putin put money into reserve for himself, it would be in his own name anywhere?

Of course...everyone hates the rich, if they want to be rich themselves and have recognized they never will be. Kinda cute you say Putin became friends with the guys who stayed behind. You think the power dynamic runs in that direction????
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Re: First Heard, f believed - Panama Papers==UPDATE

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon May 23, 2016 1:50 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:You really want to visit Russia again don't you!
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:But............here's a bottom line............do you think if Putin put money into reserve for himself, it would be in his own name anywhere?
Again. I can't say. He has to put some money in the bank under his own name. If he put his "illegal" money through the same bank as the prime minister of England, Finland and Australia, he takes the risk of "loose lips" by bankers. As Western intelligence gathering concerning drug and arms-sales laundering, includes chatting to bankers, this would not be a great plan.


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