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False Flag Conspiracies

Postby Tom Palven » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:18 am

Conspiracy buffs may especially like the second to last paragraph. Something to watch for in the future:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/03/pau ... inwash-us/
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:33 am

I'm not a conspiracy buff....but it upsets me I don't find anything interesting in the entire very short blurb.

The second to last paragraph is about the blond reporters advising ISIS will be coming to America? How is that a conspiracy as opposed to pretty rational speculation, if not reporting on what is already happening?
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:14 pm

"All of these bombing attacks have anomalies that the media never notices. Whatever officials say is reported as factual. How these bombings serve Washington’s agendas is never mentioned. The bombings often have the same pattern—brothers who conveniently leave their IDs at the scene. I suppose that having hit on an explanation that worked, the explanation is used repeatedly."

Take a piece of paper, cut a small hole in it. Put it over a map of the US. The hole is directly over Alexandria, Indiana, Population Who Cares. It is thus obvious that the United States is composed of small towns.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:24 pm

Gawd: Thats the penultimate paragraph, not the second to last. I don't understand your hole in the paper, but my gut tells me you think the quoted material is BS. I do regardless.

Tom: People who criticize conspiracy theorists should have a bit more on the ball?
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:40 pm

I liked that paragraph. It exemplifies tunnel vision, as illustrated by my map analogy.

As for the second to last, LIBERALS IZ EBUL!!!!!
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Postby ElectricMonk » Thu Mar 31, 2016 2:14 pm

False Flag conspiracies are the best: they are the perfect excuse for incompetence.
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Postby gorgeous » Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:22 pm

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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:35 pm

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Postby Matthew Ellard » Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:01 am

The expression "False flag" has simply been expanded by media into something which it isn't and people are really talking about non evidence based "propaganda". They are two very different concepts and everyone is mixing up tradecraft and propaganda terminology. .


A false flag was when a country would deal or investigate another country using a proxy agent pretending to represent a friendly third party nation. Thus the false "flag" represents nationhood. It has nothing to do with evidence or propaganda. A classic example would be the "old KGB' in the 1920's who used "Swiss" businessmen to raise money from Western governments to defeat the Russian government for "the Trust". The KGB simply ran the anti Communist Russian network, so they could control the situation. That's a private False Flag in tradecraft.

Non evidence based public propaganda , is when an existing set of facts in a scenario is changed around to suggest another activity is taking place. Occasionally, the perpetrators will "salt & pepper" bits of fake evidence to achieve that. However all the real evidence still remains in place. "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" document is a good example of "salt & peppering".

Let's look at a current "activity" together.
At the moment the Huffington Post and Sydney Morning Herald are investigating bribery in the oil industry after receiving copies of 3000 emails and other documents from an unnamed source.


http://www.smh.com.au/world/why-you-sho ... nulfk.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/ ... =australia

The first question to ask is "How on Earth did this individual source get their paws on such a wide range of emails and not be clearly identifiable?" ( Perhaps he didn't. Perhaps a larger signals intelligence organisation that monitors these communications did)

"What is the probable goal of the leak?" Well considering that we are talking about bribing government officials in Turkey including the son of the President, it would appear to be an attempt to ruin existing Western based oil sales networks in an volatile market where another country wants to establish control of oil sales.

"Who has been saying the same sort of thing recently?" Gosh. Let me think. A large country with an enormous signal intelligence organisation, recently accusing the Turkish President's son of accepting bribes based on satellite intelligence. I have no idea, who this could be.

Get to know your media tools.
By shear coincidence and totally unrelated, The Sydney Morning Herald and its sister publications at Fairfax, have been paid for three years to include another newspaper as an insert every three months. They share advertising revenue on the local pages on the inserts. "Russia : Behind the headlines" is a fascinating insert newspaper. I imagine many many "get to know you" meetings happened along the way.


I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying you have to look at all the evidence in depth and also look for a motive.

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Postby gorgeous » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:41 pm

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Postby Tom Palven » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:28 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:[color=#000080]The expression "False flag" has simply been expanded by media into something which it isn't and people are really talking about non evidence based "propaganda". They are two very different concepts and everyone is mixing up tradecraft and propaganda terminology...I'm just saying you have to look at all the evidence in depth and also look for a motive.


Would Prince Humperdinck's trying to have Princess Buttercup murdered on the Guilderian frontier so that the Florintines would demand a war with Guilder be considered a false flag operation?
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I thought it was because they had the candles and no candle holder.

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Postby gorgeous » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:30 pm

planned it before ,wake up......wiki----Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban government, that originated within the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The plans detailed in the document included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.[2] The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.[3]
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Postby Pyrrho » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:09 pm

The use of phony conspiracy theories touting "false flag" nonsense to gain attention and clickthroughs is just plain despicable.
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Postby gorgeous » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:35 pm

not nonsense...real...documented, books written on it...ignoring the truth is despicable...
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:39 pm

gorgeous wrote:not nonsense...real...documented, books written on it...ignoring the truth is despicable...

.......but not confirmed..........or replicatable as the case may be.
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Postby gorgeous » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:41 pm

confirmed by whom?...the author on northwoods book got the info from the documents...
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:55 pm

Confirmed by other investigators of the issue. sufficient in number to form a rational position as opposed to simply an "outlier" opinion: aka...one not shared by almost everyone else.

There is not a single idea that is not supported by written documentation and some small group of people who believe it. 99.999 of such unconfirmed positions: .................. are ............... not .................. true.

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Re: False Flag Conspiracies

Postby gorgeous » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:57 pm

wrong
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:10 am

Well, I'm glad you cleared that up. would you agree to 99.998?
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Postby gorgeous » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:11 am

nope
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:13 am

Well then, your opposition will just remain a mystery...........confirmed by everyone else here.

See how that works?
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Postby Tom Palven » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:41 am

Pyrrho wrote:The use of phony conspiracy theories touting "false flag" nonsense to gain attention and clickthroughs is just plain despicable.


Aren't there actual false flag operations, and are they not despicable?
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Postby Gord » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:22 am

I use false flag operations to get at the cookie jar. I don't think that's despicable, I think it's cunning an effective.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:49 am

Tom Palven wrote:
Pyrrho wrote:The use of phony conspiracy theories touting "false flag" nonsense to gain attention and clickthroughs is just plain despicable.


Aren't there actual false flag operations, and are they not despicable?

The Nazis used an attack on a German radio station on the Polish border as the excuse to go to war in 1939. They even found bodies on the scene dressed in Polish uniforms. The dead guys were actually political prisoners dressed up by the Germans. Thus WWII began.

Not sure if that counts as despicable.
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"Despicable is as despicable does."
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Pyrrho wrote:"Despicable is as despicable does."

Sylvester would agree.
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Postby gorgeous » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:56 pm

Pyrrho...do you think conspiracies never happen? many think Pearl Harbor was a false flag, and the Tonkin incident, and 911, and others...
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Postby gorgeous » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:58 pm

Pearl Harbour memo shows US warned of Japanese attack - Telegraph



www.telegraph.co.uk › News › World News › North America › USA


Dec 4, 2011 - No Pearl Harbor conspiracy. 08 Dec 2008. It noted details of possible subversives in Hawaii, where nearly 40 per cent of inhabitants were of ...
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gorgeous wrote:Pyrrho...do you think conspiracies never happen? many think Pearl Harbor was a false flag, and the Tonkin incident, and 911, and others...

False Flag? You mean Japan never attacked Pearl Harbor???????

At least...... you are consistent.
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Postby gorgeous » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:11 pm

they knew it was coming and did nothing purposely or maybe the govt was more involved...they did want an excuse for war...
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:18 pm

False Flag..........if you are going to champion such things......... you should be somewhere in the ballpark when using the term.

What you are referencing is a potential Wag the Dog episode. ....................... I doubt it very much.
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Postby gorgeous » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:19 pm

wanttoknow---false flag incidents-------- Well, as documented by the New York Times, Iranians working for the C.I.A. in the 1950's posed as Communists and staged bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected president-----------------------------Have you heard that the anthrax attacks – which were sent along with notes purportedly written by Islamic terrorists – used a weaponized anthrax strain from the top U.S. bioweapons facility? Indeed, top bioweapons experts have stated that the anthrax attack may have been a CIA test "gone wrong." For more on this, see this article by a former NSA and naval intelligence officer and this statement by a distinguished law professor and bioterror expert ---------------------You might think Al-Qaeda is different. It is very powerful, organized, and out to get us, right? Consider this Los Angeles Times article, reviewing a BBC documentary entitled The Power of Nightmares, which shows that the threat from Al Qaeda has been vastly overblown (and see this article on who is behind the hype). And former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski testified to the Senate that the war on terror is "a mythical historical narrative."
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Postby ElectricMonk » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:33 pm

In a way it is very heartening that governments have to resort to False Flag operations to get their way: appearances matter, even in dictatorships.
Hard to imagine some historical leaders bothering with how their massacre looks like to citizens of other countries...
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Yeah...conspiracies happen...the garbage gorgeous posts, nope.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:50 am

Just sitting here.......it occurs to me there actually are quite a number of serious conspiracies/false flags/wag the dog/manipulating the story/etc that are quite important. Most importantly...getting us into wars and such. The first one I thought of was the Attack (sinking?) of the Maine which brought us the American Spanish War. Then I thought of the Gulf of Tonken Affair which got us deeper into VietNam. Then there was the yellow cake and smoking gun BS that got us into the Gulf WARS. Then, I actually had to "think up" our own Boston Tea Party...trying to blame the Indians or was that just show business????

So......conspiracies and false actions. They might be a small % of what really goes on..........but they strike me as important. Like how all those Nazi Subs pushed that iceberg into the path of Lusitania and killed Leo DiCaprio. Such a beautiful love story........people need to know and remember their history.
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gorgeous wrote:they knew it was coming and did nothing purposely

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