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Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:10 am

gorgeous wrote:telegraph-----Three scientists investigating melting Arctic ice may have been assassinated, professor claims Cambridge Professor Peter Wadhams suspects the deaths of the three scientists were more than just an ‘extraordinary’ coincidence


Are you really that stupid Gorgeous?

Peter Wadhams, professor of ocean physics at the university of Cambridge, complained to the Independent Press Standards Organisation (Ipso) that he had been inaccurately quoted in an article by the paper’s environment editor, Ben Webster. He said the piece had damaged his scientific reputation.

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gorgeous wrote:telegraph-----Three scientists investigating melting Arctic ice may have been assassinated, professor claims Cambridge Professor Peter Wadhams suspects the deaths of the three scientists were more than just an ‘extraordinary’ coincidence


Are you really that stupid Gorgeous?

Peter Wadhams, professor of ocean physics at the university of Cambridge, complained to the Independent Press Standards Organisation (Ipso) that he had been inaccurately quoted in an article by the paper’s environment editor, Ben Webster. He said the piece had damaged his scientific reputation.

Yeah, but: https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ipso-rules

The Times did not misrepresent one of the world’s leading Arctic experts in a report on his claim that three British scientists investigating ice thickness may have been assassinated two years ago, the UK’s press regulator has ruled....

...The scientist complained that the Times had breached the press code on the points of accuracy, protecting confidential sources and providing a fair opportunity for response.

But the press regulator said that a recording provided by the Times had shown that Wadhams had made all of the comments attributed to him and that “off the record” (not for publication) sections of the interview had not been used. Although Webster had failed to follow up with a promised call before publication, Ipso ruled that this did not constitute a breach of confidentiality.

Wadhams, head of the polar ocean physics group in the department of applied mathematics and theoretical physics, is considered controversial by some for his claims that summer Arctic sea ice will disappear within a few years, a shorter timespan than predicted by other scientists.

Wadhams appears to have made the comments and at one point believed them to be true; he was upset that his claims weren't hidden behind anonymity, and that his reputation had been damaged by his own views being made public.

https://www.desmogblog.com/2015/07/29/c ... e-murdered

...Webster’s story, carrying the headline Climate scientist fears murder by hitman, quoted Wadhams as saying the deaths were “too bizarre to be accidental”.

In the story, Professor Wadhams, an expert in ocean physics at the University of Cambridge, is also said to have questioned if his own near miss with a lorry might also be linked to the deaths of his colleagues.

Professor Seymour Laxon died in January 2013 after falling down stairs at a New Year's Eve party in the UK.

Dr Katherine Giles, a colleague of Laxon’s, was killed a few months later while riding her bicycle to work at University College London.

Dr Tim Boyd also died in January 2013 while walking near his home in Scotland after apparently being struck by lightning.

But in his complaint to IPSO, which Wadhams shared with DeSmog, he states that he had told Webster that “for a short time” he had thought the three may have been killed, but that it was “very clear” that after all three were investigated they were indeed accidents.

In the complaint, Wadhams says that he had requested to Webster that the conversation about the deaths be “completely off the record” because he “did not want to be made out to be a crazy person”. He says he “did not make any of the statements enclosed in quotation marks by the reporter”....

If the recording shows that he did in fact make those statements as Ipso says it does, then he has only himself to blame for speaking so uncritically to a reporter.

Here's an edited-down version of the Times article posted on a [climate change denial] site that doesn't require logging in: https://www.thegwpf.com/climate-scienti ... by-hitman/
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...all disappeared in DeSmog...
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Postby gorgeous » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:00 pm

agent killed princess Diana https://youtu.be/V7L-8Oae5GA
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Postby gorgeous » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:30 pm

Diana told her lawyers: 'I will die in a car crash' | Daily Mail Online



www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-508382 ... crash.html


Jan 15, 2008 - Princess Diana foretold her own violent death two years before the Paris car crash, the inquest heard ... if Diana ever told her who "they" were,.
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Postby gorgeous » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:40 pm

The claims echo what was reported in a book by royal biographer Ingrid Seward in 2015.

Seward wrote in the Daily Mail : "At first it was thought that, though the car crash in the Pont de l’Alma tunnel was serious, Diana had not been killed.

"According to one witness present when the Queen heard the initial news, she mused out loud: ‘Someone must have greased the brakes.’
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Postby Poodle » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:38 pm

"Someone must have greased the brakes" is so unlikely to be a Queenie quotation as to be immediately discounted. She did drive a lorry around in the war, but I seriously doubt she knows her way around the braking system of a car.
In short, that's a pile of crap.

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Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:04 pm

...unless it's such a common way of saying something was (might have been) fishy (with the car), that just about anyone knows of it? Like "grease the skids".

However, I'm not claiming she ever said anything claimed, tho...
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Postby Poodle » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:09 pm

I could believe she'd said "Someone must have interfered with the braking system" in other circumstances, but 'greased the brakes" simply isn't Queenish. Besides, she doesn't 'muse out loud'. Besides again, she was quite fond of Diana. I think the condition of the car would have been the last thing on her mind.

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I hear she does drive a mean Jag, tho. :-P
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Postby gorgeous » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:37 pm

Poodle wrote:"Someone must have greased the brakes" is so unlikely to be a Queenie quotation as to be immediately discounted. She did drive a lorry around in the war, but I seriously doubt she knows her way around the braking system of a car.
In short, that's a pile of crap.

---------you need to be a mechanic to talk about brakes? she probably ordered the hit...
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Postby gorgeous » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:39 pm

she resented Diana's poplularity....Diana was getting a divorce,knew too much about the royal truth and dirty secrets....they believed she would tell it all.....then the monarchy would be over...they do what they need to to keep their luxury...
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Postby gorgeous » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:24 pm

In 1993 The New York Times Magazine exposed the Queen’s penchant for sleeping with her underlings in an article quoting the columnist Nigel Dempster telling the author Christopher Hitchens, ‘Get hold of a picture of Prince Andrew and then one of Lord Porchester at the same age. You’ll see that Prince Philip could never have been Andy’s father’.

Tellingly, The Queen did not dare challenge the article. She did however use the tax payer’s money to increase the budget for the Buckingham Palace Press Office – the outfit set up decades ago to buy the silence of media owners and editors.
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gorgeous wrote:
Poodle wrote:"Someone must have greased the brakes" is so unlikely to be a Queenie quotation as to be immediately discounted. She did drive a lorry around in the war, but I seriously doubt she knows her way around the braking system of a car.
In short, that's a pile of crap.

---------you need to be a mechanic to talk about brakes? she probably ordered the hit...
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=25876&p=592863#p592853


gorgeous wrote:she resented Diana's poplularity....Diana was getting a divorce,knew too much about the royal truth and dirty secrets....they believed she would tell it all.....then the monarchy would be over...they do what they need to to keep their luxury...
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=25876&p=592863#p592854


gorgeous wrote:In 1993 The New York Times Magazine exposed the Queen’s penchant for sleeping with her underlings in an article quoting the columnist Nigel Dempster telling the author Christopher Hitchens, ‘Get hold of a picture of Prince Andrew and then one of Lord Porchester at the same age. You’ll see that Prince Philip could never have been Andy’s father’.

Tellingly, The Queen did not dare challenge the article. She did however use the tax payer’s money to increase the budget for the Buckingham Palace Press Office – the outfit set up decades ago to buy the silence of media owners and editors.
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=25876&p=592863#p592863


:hmm: That looks a lot like a lot of libelous blather...
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Postby gorgeous » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:07 pm

phillip complained to his buddies he always found the queen in his bed...annoyed him....phillip had orgies and many affairs...they all do....books about it all...
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Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:09 pm

gorgeous wrote:phillip complained to his buddies he always found the queen in his bed...annoyed him....phillip had orgies and many affairs...they all do....books about it all...
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=25876&p=592876#p592871

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Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:06 am

gorgeous wrote:agent killed princess Diana
This story has already been debunked and the video leaves out all the funny bits
http://www.snopes.com/retired-mi5-agent ... ess-diana/
https://policehour.co.uk/2017/06/fake-n ... -deathbed/

"There was no truth to the story, which originated with YourNewsWire, a fake news site."

"An 80-year-old retired MI5 agent, John Hopkins, has made a series of astonishing confessions since he was released from hospital in London on Wednesday and told he has weeks to live. Hopkins claims to have been involved in 23 assassinations for the British intelligence agency between 1973 and 1999, including Princess Diana.
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Mi5 does not kill anyone. Mi5 and Mi6 uses the British Army's SAS to do "wet work".

John Hopkins can't remember anyone else he killed because John Hopkins doesn't exist. The story was fake from start to end.
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Postby gorgeous » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:13 am

well if it's debunked...it must be false...
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Where are the requested citations?
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:38 am

gorgeous wrote:well if it's debunked...it must be false...
There was no story to debunk in the first place. Yournewswire is a joke webpage.

"Bombshell: Hillary Clinton’s Ties To Russia Could Topple US Government"
"CIA Agent Confesses On Deathbed: ‘We Blew Up WTC7 On 9/11"
"Lindsay Lohan: Pedos Run Hollywood And They Murdered Heath Ledger"
"Donald Trump: Vaccines Cause Autism"
"Retired MI5 Agent Confesses On Deathbed: ‘I Killed Princess Diana"

http://yournewswire.com/category/conspiracies/

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Postby gorgeous » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:51 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
gorgeous wrote:phillip complained to his buddies he always found the queen in his bed...annoyed him....phillip had orgies and many affairs...they all do....books about it all...
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=25876&p=592876#p592871

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-----from book about the royals...forgot which one...was banned in England..
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:07 am

gorgeous wrote: -----from book about the royals...forgot which one...was banned in England..

Name this book banned in England? In fact.....name any book banned in England? :D

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Postby gorgeous » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:10 am

maybe this one ------The Royals by Kitty Kelley — Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists



www.goodreads.com/book/show/177905.The_Royals



Rating: 3.6 - ‎1,772 votes
Very interesting expose on the royal family of England. ..... and while the palace had this book essentially banned in England because the queen was ....
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gorgeous wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
gorgeous wrote:phillip complained to his buddies he always found the queen in his bed...annoyed him....phillip had orgies and many affairs...they all do....books about it all...
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=25876&p=592876#p592871

Provide proper citations.

-----from book about the royals...forgot which one...was banned in England..
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gorgeous wrote:maybe this one ------The Royals by Kitty Kelley — Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists



http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/177905.The_Royals



Rating: 3.6 - ‎1,772 votes
Very interesting expose on the royal family of England. ..... and while the palace had this book essentially banned in England because the queen was ....
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=25876&p=592919#p592919


Then quit shooting off your mouth if all you can prove is that what you are spewing is a bunch of lazy lies.
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Postby gorgeous » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:13 am

don't tell me what to do..not lies ..truth..good book^^
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gorgeous wrote:don't tell me what to do..not lies ..truth..good book^^
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As another user said, you're either an absolute imbecile, or a rotten to the core liar. One does not exclude the other, I opt for both.
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:43 am

gorgeous wrote:from book about the royals.....was banned in England

gorgeous wrote: maybe this one ------The Royals by Kitty Kelley —


That book is not banned in the UK. Why do you lie so much? :lol:

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Postby Austin Harper » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:42 pm

Do you mean this one that's available on Amazon for £13.07?
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Postby OlegTheBatty » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:30 pm

That's probably the one. Banning a book often drives the price up.
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Postby Gord » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:53 pm

It doesn't appear to have been banned; instead, publishers in Britain didn't want to be sued: http://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/22/world ... ng-it.html

London Journal; How to Review 'The Royals' Without Viewing It
By SARAH LYALLSEPT. 22, 1997

...They can't buy the Warner Books volume from British bookstores, because it hasn't been -- and never will be -- published here. They can't order it on the Internet from American stores or booksellers, which are under stern orders not to send copies to British addresses. And they can't learn about it from Britain's usually voluble newspapers, which, in a heroic example of nimble-footed journalism, have written long articles about the book without actually describing its contents.

The problem, of course, is Britain's tough libel law, which places the burden of proof on the defendant and means, in effect, that people sued for libel almost always lose actions brought against them. (The tabloids often try to skirt the law by picking on people unlikely to sue.)

Because Ms. Kelley would find it all but impossible to prove some of the book's more sensational assertions in court if she were sued, no publisher in its right mind would ever take on her book here....

Note the date this was written: 1997. The Defamation Act 2013 might protect foreign publishers now, I'm not sure....
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:40 am

Spycatcher was initially banned under The UK Official Secrets Act and is a unique case. The current prime minister of Australia, Malcolm Turnbull, was, back in the late 80's, Peter Wright's publisher's barrister. (Peter had moved to Australia to retire).

The book offered good evidence that a former director of Mi5 was a Soviet agent. Roughly ten year later another strange "tidbit" of information popped up, that the same bloke went on holidays with Kenneth Williams ( "Carry on") and his entourage to Morocco and Kevin Williams wrote this in his autobiography and no one noticed.
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" The book has sold more than two million copies.[3] In 1995, Wright died a millionaire from profits of his book.[10]"

Unrelated and roughly ten years before this, it was prohibited to mention Sir Anthony Blunt's name in media as he had been unmasked as a Soviet agent but worked for the Queen. In a really weird book "Mask of Treachery" an author, John Costello, set out all the accusations against Anthony Blunt without mentioning his name once.

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Postby Poodle » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:28 pm

I actually sent an email to Buckingham Palace about all of this. I did get a reply, but every time I try to copy it here I get a severe headache and the lizard population of my garden increases massively within 10 minutes. I'm going to have to monitor the situation before I can slough it all off.

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:? I... I mean, I'm sorry to hear that. :| ... ........ :laff: ........ :blush:
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Postby Poodle » Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:31 pm

Oh - a bit late, I know, but JUST FOR GORGEOUS ...

... Kitty Kelley's 'The Royals' is openly available on Amazon UK for as little as a single penny.

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Hey! I actually clicked on that, y'know! :evil:
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Hey! I actually clicked on that, y'know! :evil:

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Re: Why do people think conspiracy theorist is a synonymous with "irrational person"?

Postby gorgeous » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:41 pm

Surprisingly, "The Chapman University Survey on American Fears" from the Wilkinson College of Arts, Humanities, and Social Sciences finds much larger percentages of folks buying into conspiracies about alien encounters and global warming than about President Barack Obama's birth certificate and the moon landing.

Everyone agrees with one conspiracy or another. How conspiratorial are we? A third of those asked believe the government is concealing information about the North Dakota crash—an event Chapman totally made up.

This year's survey compilers asked questions about levels of belief in nine different popular conspiracies/conspiracy theories. Here are the subjects and the corresponding percentages of those who agreed or strongly agreed:

The 9/11 attacks 54.3%
The JFK assassination 49.6%
Alien encounters 42.6%
Global warming 42.1%
Plans for a one world government 32.9%
Obama’s birth certificate 30.2%
The origin of the AIDs virus 30.1%
The death of supreme court justice Antonin Scalia 27.8%
The moon landing 24.2%

"We find strong evidence that the United States is a strongly conspiratorial society," say survey takers. "Only about a fourth of Americans (26 percent) disagreed or strongly disagreed with all nine conspiracy theories. The remaining three-fourths (74 percent) of the population finds at least one conspiracy theory somewhat convincing; if not more than one. Fully 10 percent of the sample agreed or strongly agreed with all nine conspiracies."
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.


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