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Postby Monster » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:07 pm

Robert Harris wrote:
First of all, why would you think that the motorcycles were "roaring" when
they were traveling at 8-14mph? At that speed, they were barely audible
most of the time.


It depends on the motorcycle. Harley Davidsons, for example, have a horrendous roaring fart noise, no matter what speed they're going. The faster they go, the worse the fart noise becomes.
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Postby Robert Harris » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:31 pm

Monster wrote:
Robert Harris wrote:
First of all, why would you think that the motorcycles were "roaring" when
they were traveling at 8-14mph? At that speed, they were barely audible
most of the time.


It depends on the motorcycle. Harley Davidsons, for example, have a horrendous roaring fart noise, no matter what speed they're going. The faster they go, the worse the fart noise becomes.

Dr. Luis Alvarez did a frame by frame analysis and confirmed that the limo was traveling between 8 and 12 mph on Elm St.

The HSCA experts brought in motorcycles during their listening tests in Dealey Plaza and confirmed that they were completely drowned out by the gunshots.

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Postby Austin Harper » Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:48 pm

Monster wrote:
Robert Harris wrote:
First of all, why would you think that the motorcycles were "roaring" when
they were traveling at 8-14mph? At that speed, they were barely audible
most of the time.


It depends on the motorcycle. Harley Davidsons, for example, have a horrendous roaring fart noise, no matter what speed they're going. The faster they go, the worse the fart noise becomes.

My neighbor has a Harley that he warms up in his driveway at 5:00. "Roaring" is the correct word, even at an idle.
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Postby Robert Harris » Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:31 pm

Austin Harper wrote:
Monster wrote:
Robert Harris wrote:
First of all, why would you think that the motorcycles were "roaring" when
they were traveling at 8-14mph? At that speed, they were barely audible
most of the time.


It depends on the motorcycle. Harley Davidsons, for example, have a horrendous roaring fart noise, no matter what speed they're going. The faster they go, the worse the fart noise becomes.

My neighbor has a Harley that he warms up in his driveway at 5:00. "Roaring" is the correct word, even at an idle.

No one doubts that motorcycles can be noisy, but not nearly as noisy as high powered rifle shots.

A noisy vacuum cleaner generates between 70-80 decibels. Since levels double every 10 decibels, 90db, the point at which involuntary startle reactions occur as well as permanent hearing loss with extended exposure, is 2-4 times louder than the vacuum.

The shock wave from Oswald's rifle, was measured at street level, at 130 decibels - 16 TIMES LOUDER than 90db. This is why we see people simultaneously ducking and spinning around, following frames 285 and 313. Make sense?

But we see nothing like that, prior to 285, all throughout the motorcade. Check out these vids of movies taken in Dallas prior to the motorcade's arrival in Dealey Plaza. Do you see anyone ducking, shielding their ears, etc? Move the timer to about 2:15. Notice the motorcycles all over the place, going considerably faster than they did in Dealey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GleA2BHxGcM

Do you see anything like this?

http://jfkhistory.com/ducking.gif

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Postby gorgeous » Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:16 pm

JFK death and afterlife...https://youtu.be/KJ2woNocfUc
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Postby psychiatry is a scam » Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:32 am

has anyone mentioned Robert Stack and lords of the mafia tv show -
that explains why new Orleans mafia leader had JFK killed ?
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Postby Austin Harper » Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:35 pm

Has anyone mentioned that Lee Harvey Oswald was actually Dr. Sam Beckett having leaped back in time?
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Postby gorgeous » Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:51 pm

the remote viewer in my video^^ said time seemed to slow down as JFK was killed......I wonder if the focus of all those watching in shock caused that to happen....the grey aliens have said time can be slowed down, speeded up and even stopped....
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Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:16 am

Nope. Your viewer is a remote holding viewer, recalling the replays in slow mo... :roll:
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:58 am

gorgeous wrote:.....the grey aliens have said time can be slowed down, speeded up and even stopped....

Do you have a link to that quotation from the "grey aliens" or was this just the voices in your talking again. :lol:

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Postby gorgeous » Sun May 08, 2016 1:41 pm

good info.....Cruz, Oswald, CIA ....Jim Marrs spoke often to Oswald's mother as he knew her...she repeatedly said her son worked for the govt ...Marrs states Oswald worked for the CIA and was in a 'safe house' in Dallas...said the govt was grooming Oswald since he was in high school....Rafael Cruz was a CIA operative...Cruz had several ex-CIA people on his campaign...said as I believe Cruz was told to stop his campaign as the truth was coming out....https://youtu.be/aSiABXdweJU
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Postby Tom Palven » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:13 am

Jacob Hornberger, a clear thinker not generally labeled a conspiracy nut, doesn't think as I do that the CIA is still withholding its JFK files simply because Oswald was an embarrassing CIA/KGB double agent:
http://fff.org/2016/01/19/who-killed-jfk/
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Postby Dave Reitzes » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:54 am

With another anniversary of the assassination fast approaching, kindly allow me to bump this thread. Please check out the links in the OP.

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Postby gorgeous » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:25 pm

Bush sr. ,then in the CIA ,at the library deposit to check out the CIA's handy work.... https://youtu.be/sZmhm83eC3g
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Austin Harper wrote:Has anyone mentioned that Lee Harvey Oswald was actually Dr. Sam Beckett having leaped back in time?
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Or that God is therefore responsible for the death of JFK?
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Dave Reitzes wrote:With another anniversary of the assassination fast approaching, kindly allow me to bump this thread. Please check out the links in the OP.

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Postby gorgeous » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:47 pm

unless you want the truth...
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Postby Tom Palven » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:39 am

The sealed documents about the Kennedy murder were supposed to be released after 25 years, then that was extended to 50 years, and now it's been 54 years and the CIA public relations dept. is still wrangling and appealing to Trump not to allow their complete release.

The simplest, Ockham's razor, reason for not releasing them is that Oswald was a double or triple agent working for both the CIA and Cuba or Russia, and this is just too embarrassing to admit.

More sinister (and more complicated) theories exist, including this:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/08/jac ... rder-coup/
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Tom Palven wrote:The simplest, Ockham's razor, reason for not releasing them is that Oswald was a double or triple agent working for both the CIA and Cuba or Russia, and this is just too embarrassing to admit.


The people who supplied the USA intelligence services information from the Soviet Union are still alive and living in Russia. Their names and contact methods would be in those documents concerning other matters. If you "blow them" in their old age for state prosecution, the next lot won't pass across information.

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Postby Tom Palven » Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:09 am

Oops, some files have been misplaced:
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cia-vo ... d-missing/
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Postby Tom Palven » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:24 am

Two-week countdown to records release:
https://www.fff.org/2017/10/11/will-tru ... s-release/
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Spoiler:
He's still dead.
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Will "the truth emerge from the shadows?"
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/406610-kenne ... ret-files/
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:34 pm

Tom Palven wrote:Will "the truth emerge from the shadows?"
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/406610-kenne ... ret-files/


"JFK, CIA, Mafia and Fidel Castro - Trump can finally allow the truth to emerge from the shadows"
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Postby Tom Palven » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:28 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:Will "the truth emerge from the shadows?"
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/406610-kenne ... ret-files/


"JFK, CIA, Mafia and Fidel Castro - Trump can finally allow the truth to emerge from the shadows"
Russia Today is simply still having fun with Trump. It's a whole genre in Russian media.


There are said to be over 3,100 Kennedy files still sealed that might help prove certain allegations such as the CIA having made over 600 attempts on Castro's life.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/10/no_ ... the-truth/

Obama told us 50 years after the fact that the CIA and British MI 6 overthrew the democratically-elected government of Iran in 1953.

We know that the US recently overthrew the governments of Iraq and Libya and is still making some effort to overthrow the government of Syria, and also has Iran and North Korea in it's sights again.

All evidence points to the CIA/CENTCOM orchestrating and funding the overthrow of democratically-elected President Morsi who remains in prison in Egypt, and all evidence also points to an attempted overthrow of democratically-elected President Erdogan in Turkey which the Pentagon and State Dept. deny.

These old suppressed Kennedy records are relevant today because if in fact they show that the CIA committed such acts as 600 attempts on the life of Castro, this might possibly alert some of the US public to get their heads out of the sand and take notice that their secret police have long been by far the world's largest and most expensive terrorist organizations.
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Matthew Ellard wrote:"JFK, CIA, Mafia and Fidel Castro - Trump can finally allow the truth to emerge from the shadows" Russia Today is simply still having fun with Trump. It's a whole genre in Russian media.

Tom Palven wrote:There are said to be over 3,100 Kennedy files still sealed that might help prove certain allegations such as the CIA having made over 600 attempts on Castro's life.
I don't think it really was 600 attempts but I think it's widely accepted that the CIA attempted to kill Castro numerous times and considering the CIA sponsored Bay of Pigs was overt, it doesn't really mean much. The files probably name boys & girls from the CIA and informers from other organisations, who have now retired.....and it sometimes stops their pension cheques. :D

That's the circular problem. If a FBI officer convinced an agent (informer) to talk in the Castro activities in the 70s and the CIA then blows that agent, then a CIA officer attempting to convincing an agent (informer) today....isn't going to have much luck.

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Postby Tom Palven » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:19 am

This article in The Politico from May 25, 2015 states that the National Archives wants the agencies involved with the 3,600 previously unreleased Kennedy murder files to decide what to do with them soon in order to give the Archives some lead time to scan them before Oct. 26, 2017.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/w ... cia-118233

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Postby Tom Palven » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:16 am

Pompeo says that he doesn't want the remaining secret Kennedy files released. We may see if he takes his marching orders from Trump or from Big Brother.
http://theantimedia.org/cia-vicious-deep-state-trump/
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If I told you it was me on the Assy Groll, would you be okay with that?
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Well this release ought to keep the conspiracy crowd fed and happy for another 50 years.
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Pyrrho wrote:Well this release ought to keep the conspiracy crowd fed and happy for another 50 years.

They don't want to be happy.
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Pyrrho wrote:Well this release ought to keep the conspiracy crowd fed and happy for another 50 years.

They don't want to be happy.


if the remaining files are actually released I will be happy to be happy.

It's the Ollie North and Darth Cheney types and perhaps Matt who won't be pleased.
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Tom Palven wrote: It's the Ollie North and Darth Cheney types and perhaps Matt who won't be pleased.


I won't be upset if any JFK files are released. I'm sure someone would have read through the files and redacted the names of any retired or current working intelligence officers or informants who are still floating around.

The only people who will be upset are all the conspiracy theorists about to release their books.

To be frank, if the Russians had any dirt they would have played that hand decades ago.

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Tom Palven wrote:
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Pyrrho wrote:Well this release ought to keep the conspiracy crowd fed and happy for another 50 years.

They don't want to be happy.


if the remaining files are actually released I will be happy to be happy.

It's the Ollie North and Darth Cheney types and perhaps Matt who won't be pleased.

Are you seriously looking for a smoking gun? :roll:
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Tom Palven wrote: It's the Ollie North and Darth Cheney types and perhaps Matt who won't be pleased.


I won't be upset if any JFK files are released. I'm sure someone would have read through the files and redacted the names of any retired or current working intelligence officers or informants who are still floating around.

The only people who will be upset are all the conspiracy theorists about to release their books.

To be frank, if the Russians had any dirt they would have played that hand decades ago.

Same with the Moon landing. If the Russians, who were tracking the flight (probably hoping for a miss so they could gloat over the dying astronauts), had evidence that the transmissions weren't coming from the Moon they'd have been on the air in minutes.
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They will mine this release for material for their next books/podcasts/videos/appeals for donations, and smirk all the way to the bank. "Aha! Secret Service agent was wearing brown shoes! THAT PROVES IT!!!!!" etc.
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Pyrrho wrote:They will mine this release for material for their next books/podcasts/videos/appeals for donations, and smirk all the way to the bank. "Aha! Secret Service agent was wearing brown shoes! THAT PROVES IT!!!!!" etc.


That recent documentary, "The Watchmen" showed footage of The Comedian leaving the Grassy Knoll with his rifle.

Case closed.
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Pyrrho wrote:They will mine this release for material for their next books/podcasts/videos/appeals for donations, and smirk all the way to the bank. "Aha! Secret Service agent was wearing brown shoes! THAT PROVES IT!!!!!" etc.


I couldn't care less what kind of fun conspiracy theorists have between consenting adults.

Why do you apparently think that the remaining files should be closed to average taxpaying US citizens forever?
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