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Grill flame 1981-1983 CRV technology (35 pages)


"Exploration and development of co-ordinate remote viewing (CRV) has gone through many phases: from random experimenting in 1974 ultimately to its substantive contents now isolated into a primary, but standardized, training course. Based strictly upon the increasing success of trainees, it is anticipated that the CRV procedures will continue to increase in value as a practical applications tool."

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1984 SRI RV reliability, enhancement and evaluation doc. Hal Puthoff - prepared for DIA

Key Findings
The key findings of the Grill Flame RV Enhancement effort were:


"Evidence continues to accumulate, in our laboratory and elsewhere, that remote viewing is a real phenomenon, and is not degraded by distance or shielding.

Evidence gathered to date permits the tentative conclusion that remote viewing abilities can be developed by appropriate training procedures.

Analysis by intelligence specialists indicates that remote viewing has potential for U.S. intelligence applications.

At this stage of development, descriptive content (e.g., sketches, configurations) appears to be more reliable than analytic content (e.g., function, complex technical data), but steady progress is being made on the latter".

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Improving Real-Time ESP by Suppressing the Future: Trans-Temporal Inhibition.," paper presented at Electro 77, Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers, New York City, 1977 - Charles T. Tart.

This document details the discovery that individuals successfully using telepathy to perceive real time targets are simultaneously and unknowingly using precognitive ESP to suppress their perception of future targets.
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Postby Upton_O_Goode » Thu May 11, 2017 3:15 pm

I'm finding it difficult to get good information on 9/11 these days. An old friend of mine going back more than half a century, now nearing the age of 80, has gone completely round the bend on conspiracy theories. He sees the Mossad at work everywhere, and has even personally examined a list of victims of 9/11, searching for "Jewish names." (He believes Jews were underrepresented among the victims---obviously the result of a tip-off from the Mossad, which---mysteriously---was not intercepted by a single Gentile anywhere in New York!) Not exactly a scientific approach. But then, this is a man, an unreconstructed Southerner, who believes the Civil War and the Confederacy had nothing to do with slavery, and the South would have abolished it voluntarily by 1880. He also firmly believes that climate change is a deliberate hoax, and he's not at all sure about evolution---doesn't think human beings were part of it. And no, he's not a total idiot. He has a PhD from an Ivy League university.

The mistake all these conspiracy theorists make is that they take an agnostic position. We---at least we non-engineers---can't explain, for example, the peculiar symmetry in the collapse of Building #7, which is admittedly at odds with the computer model NIST demonstrated. They season this with a hint of a coverup (NIST won't publish its data or its models), and they reach the gigantic non sequitur that it's all a conspiracy by forces unknown. Then, they rapidly follow up by telling use that THEY KNOW what those forces were. After that, it's all down the rabbit hole.

The whole scenario has a strong resemblance to typical creationist arguments: You don't know every detail of how a species evolved, and you have to conjecture some of it? Well, that proves you know nothing, and it immediately follows that God Did It.
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And this is precisely why I'm finding it difficult to get good information. This video is packed with implications and innuendos that, if true, are very serious. But how to get unbiased information? That's my problem. I can't trust the scenarios that are carefully framed by the 9/11 truthers, and the official report is essentially a black hole. I know Amy Goodman conducted a debate between some 9/11 truthers and the engineers at Popular Mechanics who wrote a book rebutting the claims of the truthers. And I still came away shaking my head. Just too many claims and counterclaims for me to process all at once. I'll just have to look at the claims patiently, one at a time, and then see what the responses are. In the meantime, there seems no doubt that it WAS the 19 named individuals who hijacked the planes.

Passengers on Flight 93 are known to have spoken over cell phones to their families just before they died, and nothing has yet come out contradicting the claim that the flight was hijacked by Arab terrorists and crashed in a field in Pennsylvania. Now Flight 93 didn't take off in secret. It must have gone somewhere. So why make the claim that it didn't come down in the field where it was said to come down? The claim is that there was no wreckage there. I seriously doubt that. Does anyone think the government can just kidnap and hide a whole planeful of ordinary citizens? That's what the truthers seem to be asking us to believe. They even claim the cell phone conversations were physically impossible. That claim makes me very suspicious of their other claims.
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Upton_O_Goode wrote:...the peculiar symmetry in the collapse of Building #7, which is admittedly at odds with the computer model NIST demonstrated....

Say what?
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Upton_O_Goode wrote:...the peculiar symmetry in the collapse of Building #7, which is admittedly at odds with the computer model NIST demonstrated....

Say what?


Hmm, maybe I've been misled. One of the truther videos purports to show the video demonstration given by NIST, in which Building #7 collapses inward. If that's what NIST really showed, then it is at variance with actual footage of the collapse, which shows the sides of the building remaining perfectly vertical during the collapse. If the truthers lied about this, I need not investigate any further.
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entire plane and passengers missing still....believe it... ----Where is MH370? Search for missing airline nears end with no ...



www.cnn.com/2016/11/02/asia/mh370-malay ... es-search/
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This rejection of Ted Olson’s story by American Airlines, the Pentagon, and especially the FBI is a development of utmost importance. Without the alleged calls from Barbara Olson, there is no evidence that Flight 77 returned to Washington. Also, if Ted Olson’s claim was false, then there are only two possibilities: Either he lied or he was duped by someone using voice-morphing technology to pretend to be his wife.17 In either case, the official story about the calls from Barbara Olson was based on deception. And if that part of the official account of 9/11 was based on deception, should we not suspect that other parts were as well?

The fact that Ted Olson’s report has been contradicted by other defenders of the official story about 9/11 provides grounds for demanding a new investigation of 9/11. This internal contradiction is, moreover, only one of 25 such contradictions discussed in my most recent book, 9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press.
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globalresearch---Ted Olson’s Report of Phone Calls from Barbara Olson on 9/11: Three Official Denials^^
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gorgeous wrote:This rejection of Ted Olson’s story by American Airlines, the Pentagon, and especially the FBI is a development of utmost importance. Without the alleged calls from Barbara Olson, there is no evidence that Flight 77 returned to Washington..........


You copied and pasted this, without citation or accreditation from the conspiracy theorist David Griffin
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ted-olson- ... nials/8514

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gorgeous wrote:entire plane and passengers missing still....believe it... ----

Yep. It proves your "remote viewers" can't find anything. :lol:

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Upton_O_Goode wrote:
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Upton_O_Goode wrote:...the peculiar symmetry in the collapse of Building #7, which is admittedly at odds with the computer model NIST demonstrated....

Say what?


Hmm, maybe I've been misled. One of the truther videos purports to show the video demonstration given by NIST, in which Building #7 collapses inward. If that's what NIST really showed, then it is at variance with actual footage of the collapse, which shows the sides of the building remaining perfectly vertical during the collapse. If the truthers lied about this, I need not investigate any further.

I don't know what they might be lying about, but I do remember discussions of the facade of #7 collapsing at "free-fall speeds". The facade is the exterior of the building which is attached purely for decorative purposes. If it detached from the main structure, then you could have the inside collapsing inward while the outer surface collapses at a different angle.
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Gord wrote:
Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Gord wrote:
Upton_O_Goode wrote:...the peculiar symmetry in the collapse of Building #7, which is admittedly at odds with the computer model NIST demonstrated....

Say what?


Hmm, maybe I've been misled. One of the truther videos purports to show the video demonstration given by NIST, in which Building #7 collapses inward. If that's what NIST really showed, then it is at variance with actual footage of the collapse, which shows the sides of the building remaining perfectly vertical during the collapse. If the truthers lied about this, I need not investigate any further.

I don't know what they might be lying about, but I do remember discussions of the facade of #7 collapsing at "free-fall speeds". The facade is the exterior of the building which is attached purely for decorative purposes. If it detached from the main structure, then you could have the inside collapsing inward while the outer surface collapses at a different angle.


Aha! No, I wasn't concerned about the free fall speeds. But you've explained it nicely to a non-engineer like me, for which I thank you. It's still a bit of a puzzle, though. The outer facade remains a nearly perfect rectangular parallelepiped during the collapse. It's not plausible that the interior structural part would all buckle symmetrically. In that respect, the NIST video, which shows an inward collapse, seems realistic. The NIST model refers only to the interior structural part, and the video shown on television shows only the outer facade. They are two different things. The question then reduces to this: Could the outer facade retain its shape while its interior support buckles asymmetrically? Don't ask me; I'm not an engineer.

What I keep coming back to, though, is that a puzzle doesn't amount to a contradiction of the official version. And especially when the conspiracy theorists build such a high superstructure on a few puzzles. Just from the point of view of human motivation, assuming Bush-Cheney were behind the attacks (which I don't believe), why would they attack Afghanistan? Surely, if the motive was oil, they would have trumped up charges (as they later, in fact, did) against Saddam Hussein and attacked Iraq immediately.

I'll admit there are unsolved puzzles here. There always are. In that respect, the murder of Abraham Lincoln is not completely explained.
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Postby Gord » Fri May 12, 2017 2:19 pm

Parra...lula...pinniped? :befuddled:



When it comes to conspiracy theories, I always remember that episode of Voyager when Seven of Nine started seeing conspiracies everywhere because she had modified her regeneration cubicle to allow her to assimilate more data than usual. She starts to see connections everywhere, simply because she can't handle all the data.
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Gord wrote:Parra...lula...pinniped? :befuddled:

When it comes to conspiracy theories, I always remember that episode of Voyager when Seven of Nine started seeing conspiracies everywhere because she had modified her regeneration cubicle to allow her to assimilate more data than usual. She starts to see connections everywhere, simply because she can't handle all the data.


You've just described me exactly. How did you know my real name was Seven of Nine, and that I'm only pretending to be male? I do avoid outright conspiracy theories, but I make many allowances for the possibility of things that strike me as extremely implausible. In short, in a well-worn phrase, my mind is so open, my brain occasionally falls out.
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I try to avoid having a mind, I've heard it's a terrible thing to waste.
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Carlin knew 911 was staged... https://youtu.be/WkjHqB52JN4
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No he didn't.
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Nope.
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Maybe? :blink:
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Most Americans Buy 9/11 was an Inside Job: Chapman University ...



www.ocweekly.com/.../majority-of-americ ... chapman-...


Oct 28, 2016 - Majority of Americans Believe in 9/11 Conspiracies: Chapman U ... Here are the subjects and the corresponding
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Postby Poodle » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:52 pm

... and a lot of those people voted for Trump. Read into that what you like.
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gorgeous wrote:Most Americans Buy 9/11 was an Inside Job: Chapman University ...

Wrong. Most Americans believe their government is hiding something about 9/11. That does not mean they believe it was an inside job.

Again, here's gorg's source: https://blogs.chapman.edu/wilkinson/201 ... elling-us/

The government is concealing what they know about…
The 9/11 attacks 54.3%
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Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Retired commercial pilot. Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. 30,000+ total hours flown. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines aircraft that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC). Former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. •Video interview 9/11 Ripple Effect 8/07: "I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don't believe it's possible for, like I said, for a terrorist, a so-called terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding -- pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G's. And the aircraft would literally fall out of the sky. I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it." http://americanbuddhist.net


•Article 7/17/05: "The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple." … Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have "descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 280 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall without touching the lawn."…

"For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible - there is not one chance in a thousand," said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727's to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737's through 767's it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying." http://www.arcticbeacon.com


•Audio Interview 9/16/04: Regarding Flight 77, which allegedly hit the Pentagon. "The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles. … To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous...

It’s roughly a 100 ton airplane. And an airplane that weighs 100 tons all assembled is still going to have 100 tons of disassembled trash and parts after it hits a building. There was no wreckage from a 757 at the Pentagon. … The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77. We think, as you may have heard before, it was a cruise missile."
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gorgeous wrote:... The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77. We think, as you may have heard before, it was a cruise missile."


So then physical evidence from the pentagon came from a cruise missle? Put up or shut up.

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Funny... I didn`t know that cruise missiles had AA logo markings....

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Re: 9/11 Truthers are Dummies

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--------painted to fool public.......Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret) – FAA certified commercial pilot. Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. Graduate, U.S. Air Force War College. 34-year Air Force career. FAA certified Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic. •Essay: "In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. ...

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. …

As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history." http://www.physics911.net
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Re: 9/11 Truthers are Dummies

Postby scrmbldggs » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:31 pm

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Re: 9/11 Truthers are Dummies

Postby gorgeous » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:04 pm

Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:10 pm

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Re: 9/11 Truthers are Dummies

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:45 am

gorgeous wrote:- As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives .....
.....the remote viewers are still refusing to tell anyone where MH370 is or state who ordered 9/11, or where the alien bodies and UFOs are hiding.

We should all help Gorgeous in his campaign to lock up all "remote viewers" until they start telling the truth.
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