Rachel Maddow to the rescue!

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Post by landrew » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:56 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Unfortunately, Matt uses the same hard hitting belittling approach to all issues: whether he is right or WRONG.

He really should develop a second style.
One sure sign you have an immature opponent cornered in a debate, they go for the personal attacks. Instead of owning the fact that you may have helped to settle the argument by losing it. I wouldn't expect an apology, but you need to know when to back off.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:01 pm

By "you need to know when to back off" do you mean "moi?" Exactly where should I back off?===>not when responding to you I would think??

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:By "you need to know when to back off" do you mean "moi?" Exactly where should I back off?===>not when responding to you I would think??

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Sorry, I didn't mean you. I meant the "you" metaphorically.
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Re: Rachel Maddow to the rescue!

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:20 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Unfortunately, Matt uses the same hard hitting belittling approach to all issues: whether he is right or WRONG.


That's the odd thing about being a lawyer and stating that Clapper was exonerated at law. You have to look up and cite legal cases. That's how I could say Nothing illegal happened.

American Civil Liberties Union v. James Clapper, No. 13-3994 (2013)

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:12 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Unfortunately, Matt uses the same hard hitting belittling approach to all issues: whether he is right or WRONG.


That's the odd thing about being a lawyer and stating that Clapper was exonerated at law. You have to look up and cite legal cases. That's how I could say Nothing illegal happened.

American Civil Liberties Union v. James Clapper, No. 13-3994 (2013)
No....you are just plain WRONG, even as a lawyer. READ the fricking link: one judge ruled the activities Snowden leaked on were ILLEGAL VIOLATIONS OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. Another judge said it was the program Snowden leaked on was legal. The public was in an uproar so the LAW WAS CHANGED making the subject moot.

Clapper has nothing to do with it.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:15 am

landrew wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:By "you need to know when to back off" do you mean "moi?" Exactly where should I back off?===>not when responding to you I would think??

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Sorry, I didn't mean you. I meant the "you" metaphorically.
Clean up my typos and I can be quite confrontational, insightful, challenging, informative (always stretch goals) but never metaphorical.
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American Civil Liberties Union v. James Clapper, No. 13-3994 (2013) [/quote]
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Clapper has nothing to do with it.
Sooo..... Clapper, director of the DNI had nothing to do with the DNI (which directs the NSA) and the court case against him? You really are retarded. :lol: :lol: :lol:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:No....you are just plain WRONG, even as a lawyer. READ the fricking link: one judge ruled the activities Snowden leaked on were ILLEGAL VIOLATIONS OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. Another judge said it was the program Snowden leaked on was legal.
and what was the court's ruling? No law was broken.

"The court ruled that phone users had no reasonable expectation of privacy that would give them Fourth Amendment rights. Citing the 1979 Smith v. Maryland decision as precedent, the court found that, under the Fourth Amendment, individuals have no expectation of privacy for information they provide to third parties, like phone companies.[7][8][9] Because all the data collected by the NSA is voluntarily revealed to the phone companies by users, they cannot expect it to remain private. They find no reason Smith v. Maryland (1979), which found that similar phone metadata was outside the expectation of privacy, would not apply to the NSA's program"

Do you have another magic ruling that says otherwise? The second court appeal was dropped. :lol: :lol:

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:36 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:The 10 Biggest Revelations From Edward Snowden's Leaks

https://mashable.com/2014/06/05/edward- ... _oZLGg3PqU

I'll go with No 1 on the list. US Laws changed as a result of the leak. No doublt, that law being violated as I type.
From the Link: "Privacy advocates have challenged the legality of the program in court, and one Judge deemed the program unconstitutional and "almost Orwellian," while another one ruled it legal.
The uproar caused by this first story has led President Barack Obama to endorse a reform to the program, and the House of Representatives to pass the first law that tries to change it."

The link of the judge ruling the activities ILLEGAL and Orwellian: https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/sh ... 3cv0851-48 or Klayman v Klayman.

It is idiotic, disingenuous, and downright stupid to say that a law is legal by referencing the lawsuit that found it legal while totally ignoring the lawsuit that found it illegal. =======>THEN THE LAW WAS CHANGED, making the issue moot.

Yes Matt: find a bag of white and black marbles all mixed up and throw away all the white ones. Now you have a bag of black marbles.

Brilliant!
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:49 am

All to the point: if one court agrees with Snowden that his leaked material showed an illegal Orwellian violation of Constitutional rights...…………...NO ONE...…..can legitimately say his activities were not justified. No matter what happens in the courts later or elsewhere.
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Post by JO 753 » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:44 pm

Dont take it personal. He will progress to starting every post with 'you idiot' if he disagreez with anything and anybody (exept Pyrrho).

Think uv it az a repetativ stress war injury from hiz battle agenst neo-Nazi holocost denyrz.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:15 pm

I don't mind any name calling at all....filtered out as non-substantive. But then: so is everything else he posts. I do believe Matt is capable of being insightful but not yet, not once, have I seen him admit to a mistake or misspeak. He's a legend in his own mind. One kind of woo, fighting all the other kinds.
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Being hunted by a posse, doesn't always make you the hero of the story.
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Post by Tom Palven » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:42 am

Ya figya Rachel will be all over this story?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/01/us/p ... e=Homepage
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Post by JO 753 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:36 am

Red Drift , Rachelz book about the U.S. military.

Coud hav been titled 'Spinning in their Gravez' bekuz uv how the military haz bekum wut the founderz feared.

Lots uv stuff I didnt no about the Reagan yirz. He wuz even crookeder than I thot. I dont no how anybody can think the Republicanz are the 'party uv law & order' with only Bush seniorz administration failing to produse a jiant skandle starting at Nixon. (Trump made the claim a few daze ago, tokking to hiz rally chumps about the Kavenaugh skandle)

Its a quick read, at least it seemz like it sins the last book I slogged thru, The Federalist Paperz. Rachelz habit uv repeating iz substantially curtailed in print compared to her show.
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Post by Tom Palven » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:49 am

Interesting, JO.

I wasn't aware of Rachelz book, Drift, but it seems like something I could wholeheartedly agree with.

This is from an Amazon review:

Customer Review
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Ike, we should have listened
ByJoseph Palenon April 27, 2012
Format: Kindle EditionVerified Purchase

This book is basically about the old Eisenhower warning: Beware the "Military-Industrial-Complex", and how a gradual modification of constitutional safe guards fed and cared for the monster, so that it grew. Whether intentionally (War is profitable for the provider - as G. B. Shaw inferred over a century ago), or just by taking the easiest path, we have drifted into the present situation where American wars have become a consistent part of our culture - hence the title: Drift...

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Post by Tom Palven » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:45 am

Drift arrived from Amazon yesterday.

It is dedicated to Dick Cheney.
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