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Can someone debunk the Alderney UFO Sighting?

Post by GTAAddictionz » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:19 pm

To give you some background, the Alderney UFO Sighting took place on the 23rd of April 2007. A pilot reported seeing two large yellow disk objects about a mile in diameter hovering in the distance. Radar also picked up these objects, and people on the ground also reported them. A few years prior, the same disk object was spotted over Paris by an airbus A320 Pilot. All this and more is on the wiki page:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Al ... O_sighting

Hope someone can debunk it, thanks.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:26 pm

You mean a similar "disk looking object"....or did they note the same serial numbers?

No need to debunk. anything that happens only once, maybe twice..... who cares.
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You have to prove it, not us.
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Post by GTAAddictionz » Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:26 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:You have to prove it, not us.
I don't understand? I don't want to prove it, I want to debunk it but so far I've gotten nowhere.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:31 am

GTA: your position is fair, but too often new posters here do so as a ruse. to overcome this reasonable suspicion, you have to put a bit more personal work into it. EG, but not limited to: what evidence of the event(s) are persuasive to you?....and so forth.

But gawds comment still stands.....and it may be that you need to adopt it yourself. There are MILLIONS of unexplaned occurrences in life. My standard has been stated: it has to be regularly recurring to have any interest at all. Why are you interested?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:34 am

GTAAddictionz wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:You have to prove it, not us.
I don't understand? I don't want to prove it, I want to debunk it but so far I've gotten nowhere.
You don't have to debunk it, whoever is claiming it's a Greyhound full of little green men has to prove it.
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Re: Can someone debunk the Alderney UFO Sighting?

Post by Monster » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:11 am

GTAAddictionz wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:You have to prove it, not us.
I don't understand? I don't want to prove it, I want to debunk it but so far I've gotten nowhere.
It has to be bunked, not debunked. It doesn't start in the bunked state. It starts in the state of "durrr, I dunno whattitis".
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Re: Can someone debunk the Alderney UFO Sighting?

Post by TJrandom » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:11 am

GTAAddictionz wrote:To give you some background, the Alderney UFO Sighting took place on the 23rd of April 2007. A pilot reported seeing two large yellow disk objects about a mile in diameter hovering in the distance. Radar also picked up these objects, and people on the ground also reported them. A few years prior, the same disk object was spotted over Paris by an airbus A320 Pilot. All this and more is on the wiki page:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Al ... O_sighting

Hope someone can debunk it, thanks.
Take your pick, or come up with one of your own…

The pilot bumped his head…
The pilot was drunk…
The pilot is a UFO nutter…
The pilot got paid for making it up…
It was a reflection of the sun on water…
Weather balloons…
A flock of geese…
Swamp gas…
Clouds…
Alien UFOs…

But please note – it doesn`t become Alien UFOs just because you exhausted the other possibilities in the list. It only becomes a previously unidentified `Alien UFO` when an alien craft is captured and examined and thus is no longer a UFO because it has been identified.

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Re: Can someone debunk the Alderney UFO Sighting?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:57 am

GTAAddictionz wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:You have to prove it, not us.
I don't understand? I don't want to prove it, I want to debunk it but so far I've gotten nowhere.
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Re: Can someone debunk the Alderney UFO Sighting?

Post by Gord » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:03 am

According to wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Alde ... O_sighting
...retired captain Duboc considered it to have been of a size comparable to that of the Alderney UFOs (perhaps 500 m across)....

..."I estimated them to be up to possibly a mile across."... [Ray Bowyer]
1. One mile is equal to approximately 1600 metres, not 500 metres.

2. "It is notoriously difficult to estimate the true size of an unknown object seen in the open air...."
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Re: Can someone debunk the Alderney UFO Sighting?

Post by Poodle » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:35 am

What's to debunk, anyway? A pilot reported seeing something bright in the sky (a very possible event). He estimated its distance at 40 miles but stated he didn't know how big it was (an almost impossible thing to do, so we can safely put that down to later embellishment). UK aviation authorities investigated the pilot's report (as they are obliged to do - it's their job) and reported that any such object within their detection range, other than known aircraft, must have been stationary and within French airspace (a pretty diplomatic way of saying they saw nothing at all).
UFOnuts working procedure is faulty - the logic seems to be 'if someone denies a UFO event by saying that they saw nothing, they must be lying, therefore we can invent all the details for the event, thus proving it true'.
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Post by JO 753 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:08 pm

Its embarrassing! Lets see how many uv your comments show a 'last edited by' after taking the time to read the entire article. :mrgreen:

I'm sure few uv you will bother.

GTA, you will find that UFO skeptics are not true skeptics at all, kuz they immediatly beleev any explaneration that soundz 'normal' no matter how poorly it fits the facts.

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Post by Gord » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:46 pm

JO 753 wrote:Its embarrassing! Lets see how many uv your comments show a 'last edited by' after taking the time to read the entire article. :mrgreen:
Why, what are you seeing that none of the rest of us who have read the article saw?
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Re: Can someone debunk the Alderney UFO Sighting?

Post by TJrandom » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:59 pm

JO 753 wrote:Its embarrassing! Lets see how many uv your comments show a 'last edited by' after taking the time to read the entire article. :mrgreen:

I'm sure few uv you will bother.

GTA, you will find that UFO skeptics are not true skeptics at all, kuz they immediatly beleev any explaneration that soundz 'normal' no matter how poorly it fits the facts.

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Darned it... I tried to edit your post but the fourm software doesn`t recognize it as an edit. :roll:

Whew... fixed a misspelling before Gord nailed it.... So edit does work... :lol:
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Post by JO 753 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:56 pm

Gord wrote:Why, what are you seeing that none of the rest of us who have read the article saw?
Wu? Do I gotta pik apart every reply? Thats alot uv work.

OK, quit nagging1 I'l do it, but I got sum important TV watching to do, so itl take a wile
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Post by Gord » Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:57 am

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Gord wrote:Why, what are you seeing that none of the rest of us who have read the article saw?
Wu? Do I gotta pik apart every reply?
Ummm, no? I mean, if you've got anything interesting to add that you found in the article but that no one else has mentioned, then I'd like to read it too. But if that's too much work for you, then by all means just make these little posts that include no useful information. Heck, soon you'll be an obnoxious weed too!
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Post by JO 753 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:11 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:No need to debunk. anything that happens only once, maybe twice..... who cares.
Thats an unsientific attitude. A theory needz only needz 1 counter example to blow it outa the water. The No Alien Spasecraft Viziting Earth theory iz blown so far out uv the water that its on its way to another galaxy!
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Post by JO 753 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:19 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:My standard has been stated: it has to be regularly recurring to have any interest at all. Why are you interested?
So, all uncommon events didnt happen az far az youre conserned? Everything that happened only wuns in your life gets deleted or iz there a low count per-yir limit?
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Re: Can someone debunk the Alderney UFO Sighting?

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JO 753 wrote:... The No Alien Spasecraft Viziting Earth theory iz blown so far out uv the water that its on its way to another galaxy!
Does that theory exist? I thought it was a put up or shut up theory. However, so far, there being ZERO evidence for Alien Spacecraft Visiting Earth, playing along here - What blows it out of the water, much less the galaxy?

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Post by Gord » Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:28 am

TJrandom wrote:
JO 753 wrote:... The No Alien Spasecraft Viziting Earth theory iz blown so far out uv the water that its on its way to another galaxy!
Does that theory exist? I thought it was a put up or shut up theory. However, so far, there being ZERO evidence for Alien Spacecraft Visiting Earth, playing along here - What blows it out of the water, much less the galaxy?
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Post by JO 753 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:28 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:You don't have to debunk it, whoever is claiming it's a Greyhound full of little green men has to prove it.
If they made that spesific claim, yes. But they didnt. All they did wuz report a siting uv 2 clearly unnnatural objects that were obviously beyond our sivilization'z current ability to create.

A valid explanation to dispel the most likely theory - extraterrestrial vizitorz - woud require conclusiv evidens.
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Post by JO 753 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:43 am

TJrandom wrote:Take your pick, or come up with one of your own…
Good sample sentens for the dictionary entry for explaineration!
The pilot bumped his head…
The pilot was drunk…
The pilot is a UFO nutter…
The pilot got paid for making it up…
Exept the passenjerz, 2 other pilots in other planez many milez away, several obzerverz on the ground and radar back him up. You didnt read the article, did you?
It was a reflection of the sun on water…
Weather balloons…
A flock of geese…
Swamp gas…
Clouds…
Alien UFOs…
Nun uv wich fit the reported facts.
But please note – it doesn`t become Alien UFOs just because you exhausted the other possibilities in the list. It only becomes a previously unidentified `Alien UFO` when an alien craft is captured and examined and thus is no longer a UFO because it has been identified.
Incorrect. It iz only nessusary to conclude that its not sum natural fenominon and iz a manufactured object beyond our teknolojy.

You can propoze a theory uv alternate dimensionz, hidden human sivilizationz or us from the future, but they are even farther out than vizitorz from other planets, so require sum sort uv evidens beyond pure speculation.
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Post by JO 753 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:47 am

Gord wrote: 1. One mile is equal to approximately 1600 metres, not 500 metres.

2. "It is notoriously difficult to estimate the true size of an unknown object seen in the open air...."
You are taking the statements intended to convey the fact that they were very big out uv context. They are not required to provide presise measurements to be credible.
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Post by JO 753 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:08 am

TJrandom wrote:Does that theory exist?
'Theory' iz the rong word, really, but its wut iz uzed in the common vernacular to cover hypothosis and that fraze I cant think uv rite now that iz uzed by political yammererz theze dayz for the competing spin the partyz offer up on the latest skandel.
I thought it was a put up or shut up theory.
An unreazonable request for unobtainable evidens.
However, so far, there being ZERO evidence for Alien Spacecraft Visiting Earth, playing along here - What blows it out of the water, much less the galaxy?
The word 'evidence' iz iz not the same az 'proof', but it haz been worn out by misuse, so I created a fresh version, 'evidens' with a solid definition wich you hav read alredy.

This particular UFO event iz just more fuel for the rocket propelling the debunked No Alien Vizitorz hypothosis.

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Post by JO 753 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:18 am

So far, nobody haz offered up a hoax hypothosis.

Still possible for all I no. All I'v red iz the wiki article, so that coud be completely fake. I never even herd uv Alderney befor this!

Or it coud hav been jiant balloonz, maybe a publisity stunt for a major movie that got scuttled befor it wuz finished and therez a cover up for sum crime involved, so thats wy it haz not been settled for 11 yirz.
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JO 753 wrote:
TJrandom wrote:Take your pick, or come up with one of your own…
Good sample sentens for the dictionary entry for explaineration!
The pilot bumped his head…
The pilot was drunk…
The pilot is a UFO nutter…
The pilot got paid for making it up…
Exept the passenjerz, 2 other pilots in other planez many milez away, several obzerverz on the ground and radar back him up. You didnt read the article, did you?
It was a reflection of the sun on water…
Weather balloons…
A flock of geese…
Swamp gas…
Clouds…
Alien UFOs…
Nun uv wich fit the reported facts.
But please note – it doesn`t become Alien UFOs just because you exhausted the other possibilities in the list. It only becomes a previously unidentified `Alien UFO` when an alien craft is captured and examined and thus is no longer a UFO because it has been identified.
Incorrect. It iz only nessusary to conclude that its not sum natural fenominon and iz a manufactured object beyond our teknolojy.

You can propoze a theory uv alternate dimensionz, hidden human sivilizationz or us from the future, but they are even farther out than vizitorz from other planets, so require sum sort uv evidens beyond pure speculation.
Yes, I read the article - every word of it. Sure, I listed some unlikely examples - Geese for example, but I left out mosquito and bat swarms, and no doubt oodles of other more-likely-than-alien possibilities of naturally occurring phenomena. To conclude it was Alien you either must exhaust all possible naturally occurring events, including natural occurrences we currently know nothing of - OR grab some of that Alien physical material. He said/she said, wink wink, just doesn`t cut it.

To conclude that it is a manufactured object beyond our technology - you need to discover the manufacture process to conclude that it is manufactured, and then compare that process to our manufacture technology. Neither of these has been accomplished for any UFO story yet - agreed?

But I am glad you concluded that Alien UFOs (on my list) - didn`t fit the reported facts (`facts` used loosely).

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Post by TJrandom » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:04 am

JO 753 wrote:...
I thought it was a put up or shut up theory.
An unreazonable request for unobtainable evidens.
Certainly not an unreasonable request - unless of course you have already conceded that no evidence exists, or can exist. Personally, I am waiting for physical crafts and alien little green men. Actually, they don`t need to be green to satisfy me. - just not human and of course, not of this earth.

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Post by Gord » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:05 am

JO 753 wrote:
...retired captain Duboc considered it to have been of a size comparable to that of the Alderney UFOs (perhaps 500 m across)....

..."I estimated them to be up to possibly a mile across."... [Ray Bowyer]
Gord wrote:1. One mile is equal to approximately 1600 metres, not 500 metres.

2. "It is notoriously difficult to estimate the true size of an unknown object seen in the open air...."
You are taking the statements intended to convey the fact that they were very big out uv context. They are not required to provide presise measurements to be credible.
No, I'm taking their estimates of the sizes of the things they claim they saw and pointing out that it's very difficult to estimate the sizes of things seen in the open air.

Given that 1600 metres and 500 metres are the two estimates, I don't see why you would be against this observation of mine. However, the claim in the wikipedia article was that 1600 metres and 500 metres are "of a comparable size". That seems like a silly thing to say.

Since one is over three times the size as the other, it's also easy to posit that neither of them are correct, or that they were seeing two different things.
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Post by Gord » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:07 am

JO 753 wrote:So far, nobody haz offered up a hoax hypothosis.
What would be the point? The descriptions we've been given are so vague, there's not much point speculating on anything.
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Post by JO 753 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:16 am

TJrandom wrote:Yes, I read the article - every word of it.
So wy did you offer up discrediting the pilot az a hypothosis? Everybody involved woud hav to be similarly impaired andor lying.

Sure, I listed some unlikely examples - Geese for example, but I left out mosquito and bat swarms, and no doubt oodles of other more-likely-than-alien possibilities of naturally occurring phenomena.
Theze are also attempts to discredit the witnessez bekuz theyd haf to be on LSD to make such extreem misidentificationz. That then runz into a problem uv the pilots still sumhow being able to do their jobz.
To conclude it was Alien you either must exhaust all possible naturally occurring events, including natural occurrences we currently know nothing of - OR grab some of that Alien physical material. He said/she said, wink wink, just doesn`t cut it.
Nope.

You are effectively offering an unspesified hypothosis that ALL the witnessez were making the same mistake, that they were all so stoopid, so wakt out on haloosinojenic jrugz, or each subject to sum variety uv debilitating effects that they sumhow were mass haloosinating the same thing.

Can you find any newz reports from the airport about them staggering off the planez in an adled stupor? Anybody hospitalized for overdose? Even 1 report uv 1 person?
To conclude that it is a manufactured object beyond our technology - you need to discover the manufacture process to conclude that it is manufactured, and then compare that process to our manufacture technology. Neither of these has been accomplished for any UFO story yet - agreed?
Not agreed.

Yes, its possible, but segjesting that we coud make wun if we saw how they are constructed duznt help your case unless you find evidens that we did actually make them without copying an alien craft.

The only thing we can make that big that can get off the ground iz sum sort uv liter than air vehicle. Hiding such a project woud be quite a feat and then hiding them after they hav been spotted woud be virtually impossible.

It duznt take an enjineering degree to conclude that a 500 meter to 1 mile wide flying disk iz beyond our teknolojy IF it iz not uncovered within a reazonable time period and proven to be a balloon. That iz only for the description I red uv this event. they were not reported to hav taken off at extreem speed az in many other reports, so it left open the balloon possibility for a wile.
But I am glad you concluded that Alien UFOs (on my list) - didn`t fit the reported facts (`facts` used loosely).
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Post by JO 753 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:31 am

There are reports about this from newz outlets from 2007, so the bogus wiki article idea iz out.

Odd that there duznt seem to be any follow up storyz uv the British or French military sending fiter jets to investigate. Not too many reazonable explanationz uv why.
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Post by TJrandom » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:23 am

JO - I hadn`t thought of cocaine... a cocaine party that included gorgeous in his attempt at joining the mile high club would explain a mass hallucination of galactic proportions. And I have known people who did their jobs remarkably well on drugs without staggering, so not out of the realm of realistic possibilities.

Just because someone thinks they have seen an object of such massive size doesn`t mean they have indeed done so. But it is a possibility and if it can be touched and examined, I will become a true believer.

Why just early this morning I saw a UFO in the western sky, and within minutes it disappeared below the horizon. It appeared to be pretty small - not much bigger than a carnival balloon, but on a second look it appeared to be massive – easily 3,474 km in diameter. And it glowed too. And I am not a lunatic, I tell you – honest. My best guess is that little object was really massive - likely about 8.09942316 × 10 to the 19 in short tons. And I bet that others saw it too. No natural phenomena possible, so it just must be a UFO. :roll:

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Post by Poodle » Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:46 am

JO 753 wrote:... Nun uv wich fit the reported facts ...
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Post by JO 753 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:25 am

OK, reported obzervationz.
TJrandom wrote:JO - I hadn`t thought of cocaine... a cocaine party that included gorgeous in his attempt at joining the mile high club would explain a mass hallucination of galactic proportions. And I have known people who did their jobs remarkably well on drugs without staggering, so not out of the realm of realistic possibilities.
I dont recall ever hearing that cocaine cauzed halusinationz. Then therez the other planez and the ground based witnessez.
Why just early this morning I saw a UFO in the western sky, and within minutes it disappeared below the horizon. It appeared to be pretty small - not much bigger than a carnival balloon, but on a second look it appeared to be massive – easily 3,474 km in diameter. And it glowed too. And I am not a lunatic, I tell you – honest. My best guess is that little object was really massive - likely about 8.09942316 × 10 to the 19 in short tons. And I bet that others saw it too. No natural phenomena possible, so it just must be a UFO. :roll:
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There is a stand of tree to the east of me. In winter airplanes from Lambert Field fly past them and their lights wink on and off in a random pattern. One of my cousins insisted that what he was seeing was a UFO and the lights were sending Morse code. I slapped him. The same thing happened when the Moon rose one night, mysterious indeed, quite enough to send my cousins into a tizzy.

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Post by TJrandom » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:58 pm

I note that our OP isn`t back, so just another drive by I assume. Also noteworthy, is that his pseud ends with a Z, just like one of our members likes to end some wordz.

JO - the moon? Who knew - a natural phenomena after all... no doubt, just like that reported Alderney hallucination. :)

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Post by JO 753 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:28 am

Matt haz him pegged az a sock puppet for MSV77 whoever that iz. search.php?author_id=20256&sr=posts
Odd that he mentioned Nite Gallery, kuz I'v been watching that and bringing it up in forumz lately. Maybe I shoud set up a survailens camera in my bed room to see If I'm doing a Tyler Durden thing.
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JO 753 wrote:Matt haz him pegged az a sock puppet for MSV77 whoever that iz. search.php?author_id=20256&sr=posts
Odd that he mentioned Nite Gallery, kuz I'v been watching that and bringing it up in forumz lately. Maybe I shoud set up a survailens camera in my bed room to see If I'm doing a Tyler Durden thing.
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Post by JO 753 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:23 pm

JO 753 wrote:'Theory' iz the rong word, really, but its wut iz uzed in the common vernacular to cover hypothosis and that fraze I cant think uv rite now that iz uzed by political yammererz theze dayz for the competing spin the partyz offer up on the latest skandel.
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Post by GTAAddictionz » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:53 pm

TJrandom wrote:I note that our OP isn`t back, so just another drive by I assume. Also noteworthy, is that his pseud ends with a Z, just like one of our members likes to end some wordz.

JO - the moon? Who knew - a natural phenomena after all... no doubt, just like that reported Alderney hallucination. :)
So, you just assume I'm him because my username has a z at the end of it? Also, is this JO guy with or against the stort here?

I honestly don't get it, I've made 2 simple posts asking for something to be debunked, albeit some people are very helpful, some people ridicule me?