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Why we have yet to be contacted by aliens.

Postby Gnostic Bishop » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:17 pm

Why we have yet to be contacted by aliens.

Spaceship Earth is religiously and politically in chaos. Corruption is rampant in all of our social political and economic system. Those are mostly led by corrupt officials, be they Popes, Presidents or our Plutocrat owners.

The only reason that aliens would travel between planetary systems, a time and energy using endeavor, would be for trade and curiosity as to the other types of entities aliens will encounter.

Variety and security of life would be the prime concerns to aliens as boredom within their peaceful Shangri-La’s would be the greatest force that they would fear and try to alieve with space travel and meeting various species.

Spaceship Earth is being rejected as a place to visit. Aliens know that they would add to the chaos that we already suffer, and that their security would be jeopardized by an association with Spaceship Earth.

Imagine yourself as a representative of an alien race. Of the millions of possible safe havens, species and cultures you could visit, would you choose a chaotic place like Spaceship Earth to visit?

Your answer my friend is why we have yet to contacted.

We are far from ready for any alien race to contact us and that situation will not change until we bring order to Spaceship Earth.

If you can think demographically and in galactic terms, which an alien race would have to do, then the solution to our chaos and disorder will come to your mind.

It will include a world leader and government, which would be what any alien Captain would look for. If an alien visited today and asked to be taken to our leader or Captain, his request could not be granted as we have yet to elect either. To think a Captain of an alien species would waste his time and resources on us is quite a foolish thought. Our chaos is also our enemy and until we bring our chaos to heel, we will remain alone in the universe.

Chaos in religious and political systems is any alien’s Captains first enemy. Our chaos is what has made aliens shun our Spaceship Earth.

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Postby Hex » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:33 pm

Maybe, or maybe space is just so {!#%@} huge and no other beings in our galaxy has been able to traverse those distances in any meaningful way. Even just "radio" contact is a slim bet. What we use to talk to each other becomes so degraded once it leaves the confines of Earth it'd be difficult to pick up if it was of "alien origin" after many light years of travel. Even if we decided to only use light for conversation it'd still be very difficult to be noticed, let alone understood.
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Postby TJrandom » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:41 pm

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Maybe we have been contacted many times over. Just like little school boys throwing rocks, maybe aliens have been throwing pebbles our way to see what reaction it would bring. How else to explain the meteorites that crash down every so often? After we thrown a few back, then we can get down to real communication.

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Postby gorgeous » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:03 pm

they've been here as long as humans have been here....-----“I can assure you that, given they exist, these flying saucers are made by no power on this Earth.”
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Postby OlegTheBatty » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:13 pm

The alien astrophysicists determine that their sun will go nova soon. They have about a century, so they build a shitload of starships, load them up with aliens and send them off, hoping that at least one will find a planet where they can survive. That's who finds us, and they don't give a {!#%@} about no immigration policies.

The trouble with constructing arguments based on an understanding of alien psychology is that we have a sample size of none.
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:42 pm

gorgeous wrote:they've (aliens) been here as long as humans have been here
Do you mean aliens have been on Earth for 195,000 years and done absolutely nothing? Those lazy fat bastard aliens! :lol:

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OlegTheBatty wrote:
The trouble with constructing arguments based on an understanding of alien psychology is that we have a sample size of none.

Stuff and nonsense! Aliens post here all the time. Gorgeous, for example.
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Re: Why we have yet to be contacted by aliens.

Postby Hex » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:59 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:The trouble with constructing arguments based on an understanding of alien psychology is that we have a sample size of none.

Even having one sample will only tell us the motivations of that species. It'll tell us precious little about other species. So, essentially we'll always be at step one if we ever start engaging with other life forms on other planets.
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Postby OlegTheBatty » Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:18 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:
The trouble with constructing arguments based on an understanding of alien psychology is that we have a sample size of none.

Stuff and nonsense! Aliens post here all the time. Gorgeous, for example.


Being alien is not the only prerequisite. Functional brain cells is another.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:26 am

Hex wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:The trouble with constructing arguments based on an understanding of alien psychology is that we have a sample size of none.

Even having one sample will only tell us the motivations of that species. It'll tell us precious little about other species. So, essentially we'll always be at step one if we ever start engaging with other life forms on other planets.

Thankfully the Error of Small Samples is well known. Often ignored, but well known.
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Postby Gnostic Bishop » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:37 pm

Hex wrote:Maybe, or maybe space is just so {!#%@} huge and no other beings in our galaxy has been able to traverse those distances in any meaningful way. Even just "radio" contact is a slim bet. What we use to talk to each other becomes so degraded once it leaves the confines of Earth it'd be difficult to pick up if it was of "alien origin" after many light years of travel. Even if we decided to only use light for conversation it'd still be very difficult to be noticed, let alone understood.


That is a possibility but we should remember that if there are alien races, some would have developed a way to communicate and or travel those huge distances, as they could be thousands of years older than mankind.

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Postby Gnostic Bishop » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:39 pm

TJrandom wrote::beamup:

Maybe we have been contacted many times over. Just like little school boys throwing rocks, maybe aliens have been throwing pebbles our way to see what reaction it would bring. How else to explain the meteorites that crash down every so often? After we thrown a few back, then we can get down to real communication.


Their pebbles, given that many others come to us naturally, would just be ignored as natural phenomenon.

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Hex wrote:Maybe, or maybe space is just so {!#%@} huge and no other beings in our galaxy has been able to traverse those distances in any meaningful way. Even just "radio" contact is a slim bet. What we use to talk to each other becomes so degraded once it leaves the confines of Earth it'd be difficult to pick up if it was of "alien origin" after many light years of travel. Even if we decided to only use light for conversation it'd still be very difficult to be noticed, let alone understood.


That is a possibility but we should remember that if there are alien races, some would have developed a way to communicate and or travel those huge distances, as they could be thousands of years older than mankind.

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1. Prove that.

2. How would they know to look here?

3. Why would they look here?
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Postby Gnostic Bishop » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:47 pm

[quote="gorgeous"][/quote]

Snipped for brevity.

I think it strange that you would think an alien Captain, with all his ability to use remote sensing machines, would follow us about yet not make contact.

Is that what you would do if a Captain with superior technology?

If so, to what purpose?

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Postby Gnostic Bishop » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:50 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:The alien astrophysicists determine that their sun will go nova soon. They have about a century, so they build a shitload of starships, load them up with aliens and send them off, hoping that at least one will find a planet where they can survive. That's who finds us, and they don't give a {!#%@} about no immigration policies.

The trouble with constructing arguments based on an understanding of alien psychology is that we have a sample size of none.


It is a lot safer, given the problems of integration and assimilation to a strange or different culture, even within the same species, to mind an uninhabited planet instead of one with an intolerant species like ours.

A Captain would turn his nose up at us and find a safer haven.

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
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Hex wrote:Maybe, or maybe space is just so {!#%@} huge and no other beings in our galaxy has been able to traverse those distances in any meaningful way. Even just "radio" contact is a slim bet. What we use to talk to each other becomes so degraded once it leaves the confines of Earth it'd be difficult to pick up if it was of "alien origin" after many light years of travel. Even if we decided to only use light for conversation it'd still be very difficult to be noticed, let alone understood.


That is a possibility but we should remember that if there are alien races, some would have developed a way to communicate and or travel those huge distances, as they could be thousands of years older than mankind.

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1. Prove that.

2. How would they know to look here?

3. Why would they look here?


When speaking of aliens, there is no such thing as proof as we have yet to confirm that they exist.

As to why they would seek contact, as the O.P. speculates, curiosity and trade.

That seems to be what motivated humans in the past to seek out new lands. Some will see conquest as an option since humans are/were into that but I would like to think that aliens are not nearly as war mongering as we are.

Human's love was, as our epitome of entertainment and drama, --- and I hope that we get past or replace that epitome with something else.

If aliens have not, then conquering us would be on their agenda and as you can see, since they have not done so, it likely is not.

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Okay, BS then. Got it.
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Snipped for brevity.

I think it strange that you would think an alien Captain, with all his ability to use remote sensing machines, would follow us about yet not make contact.

Is that what you would do if a Captain with superior technology?

If so, to what purpose?

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Postby Lance Kennedy » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:33 pm

The simplest explanation for no alien contact is no aliens.

Occam's Razor suggests that the simplest explanation is the most likely. Occam tells us that alien civilisations are either very rare or non existent in our galaxy.

This is not certain, of course, but is nevertheless the most likely of all the myriads of weird and wonderful explanations offered by equally weird people.

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Lance Kennedy wrote:The simplest explanation for no alien contact is no aliens.

Occam's Razor suggests that the simplest explanation is the most likely. Occam tells us that alien civilisations are either very rare or non existent in our galaxy.

This is not certain, of course, but is nevertheless the most likely of all the myriads of weird and wonderful explanations offered by equally weird people.

What's wrong with "out of range"?
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Postby Hex » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:57 pm

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Lance Kennedy wrote:The simplest explanation for no alien contact is no aliens.

Occam's Razor suggests that the simplest explanation is the most likely. Occam tells us that alien civilisations are either very rare or non existent in our galaxy.

This is not certain, of course, but is nevertheless the most likely of all the myriads of weird and wonderful explanations offered by equally weird people.

What's wrong with "out of range"?

All of this, all of it is pure speculation. We are at our infancy exploring the galaxy and we know very, very little. We are just starting to confirm that planets seem to be much more common than what was previously thought, but even that is in a relatively small sample size considering the size of our galaxy, so all this old timey thinking pretty much has to be discarded. Plus we are only seriously looking for other possible life as we know it. The universe has surprised on on multiple occasions and I don't think it is anywhere near to being done in that regard. I'd speculate that includes just what type of life is out there.

I watched a program about the law of averages and how it relates to life springing up in the universe and how we place in those averages. I won't go into the complexities of how they reached their conclusion, but essentially they put Earth in the upper percentile or rarity for intelligent life. What that all equates to is even though intelligent life would be rare, given the size of just our galaxy, by the maths of this thought experiment there could be around 30,000 other intelligent species just within our own galaxy. It didn't include life that hadn't reached the "intelligent" threshold nor did it address where on the technological scale those intelligent species would be. Still that is a lot of possibilities and of course it is only one speculative scientific answer to that question.

All I'm saying is the more we learn the more confident we can be on trying to make objective statement, we just are not anywhere close to that point.
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Hex wrote:All of this, all of it is pure speculation.

I didn't know that! :roll:
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:What's wrong with "out of range"?


Nothing in our galaxy is "out of range". There are three methods I know of that, in theory, could drive a starship at a velocity of 0.1 to 0.5 of light speed. Any sufficiently advanced civilisation will, eventually, develop at least one. The average distance between stars in our galaxy is 4 light years. Allowing for slow acceleration/deceleration, that means that on average, it will take something like 10 to 60 years to travel between stars. If new colonies are then established, and that species expands, then it will take between 500,000 and 20,000,000 years to fully colonise the entire galaxy.

Lots of assumptions here, which determine the length of time required. But even 20 million is absolutely NOTHING compared to the age of the galaxy.

If only a very small number of civilised aliens ever develop, it is possible they could all be stay at home types. But if there are a large number (Like Hex's estimate of 30,000), then it is statistically inevitable that at least one will be expansionist, and the greatest probability (given the age of the galaxy) that the first expansionist species began a long time ago. In other words, if there are lots of civilised aliens, they will have reached us long before Homo sapiens ever evolved.

Since there is absolutely not clear evidence that this ever happened (not even a fossil alien coca cola can), then the conclusion is that alien civilisations are very rare.

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:What's wrong with "out of range"?


Nothing in our galaxy is "out of range".

Crap. Anything more than about a 100 light years from here would know we exist. Marconi's "S" signal would be their first clue.
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Re: Why we have yet to be contacted by aliens.

Postby Hex » Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:35 am

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Hex wrote:All of this, all of it is pure speculation.

I didn't know that! :roll:

The way people are talking in this thread, I had my doubts.
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Crap. Anything more than about a 100 light years from here would know we exist. Marconi's "S" signal would be their first clue.


It would appear we are talking of two different things. When you said "out of range" I thought you meant too far to travel that distance. However, since you mean too far to have detected our radio signals, I agree. Most of the galaxy is way out of range.

I would still insist on my point, though. Any expansionist alien civilisation has had more than ample time to colonise the entire galaxy. The fact that we have not seen any such probably means they do not exist.

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I would still insist on my point, though. Any expansionist alien civilisation has had more than ample time to colonise the entire galaxy. The fact that we have not seen any such probably means they do not exist.

Prove they would do that.
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Okay, BS then. Got it.


Yes, you are full of it.

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gorgeous wrote:
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
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Snipped for brevity.

I think it strange that you would think an alien Captain, with all his ability to use remote sensing machines, would follow us about yet not make contact.

Is that what you would do if a Captain with superior technology?

If so, to what purpose?

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You know little of our worlds history.

Name any native people that we just observed minimally and did not conquer so as to take their resources?

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Okay, BS then. Got it.


Yes, you are full of it.

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Re: Why we have yet to be contacted by aliens.

Postby gorgeous » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:43 pm

didn't say we took their resources
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Re: Why we have yet to be contacted by aliens.

Postby gorgeous » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:46 pm

wiki-----Observational Methods[edit]

The least invasive of anthropological fieldwork methods, observational methods allow the researcher to gain valuable information about the group being studied without intruding on their privacy too much.
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Re: Why we have yet to be contacted by aliens.

Postby busterggi » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:02 pm

Aliens are landing here all the time but dogs eat their spaceships or kids spill water on the accidentally or they develope amnesia due to our yellow sun or they were us all along...just read some late '50's comics and you'll get all the answers.

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Re: Why we have yet to be contacted by aliens.

Postby Hex » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:11 pm

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I would still insist on my point, though. Any expansionist alien civilisation has had more than ample time to colonise the entire galaxy. The fact that we have not seen any such probably means they do not exist.

Prove they would do that.

If that were to happen then they cracked the code on how to get around all that pesky physics stuff.

Another thing I've read about is that it is possible that any alien, ancient, advanced civilizations have simply died out and somewhere out there are the remains of those civilizations and we are now in the epoc of the new beginnings of expansive civilizations. There maybe a civilization on the other side of our galaxy more advanced than us but not advanced enough to break out of their little corner. Conversely there maybe other civilizations in all kinds of different stages reflecting an equivalent to our past or near future.

I personally am fairly convinced there is other intelligent life somewhere in our galaxy, the odds seem to point that there is, but I've accepted I probably won't be alive to get that confirmation.
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Re: Why we have yet to be contacted by aliens.

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:16 pm

I'm confident of life being out there, but less so about "civilizations". It might be that one "intelligent" lifeform at a time is all we'd find in any galaxy. Just a SWAG, of course.
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Re: Why we have yet to be contacted by aliens.

Postby Hex » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:21 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I'm confident of life being out there, but less so about "civilizations". It might be that one "intelligent" lifeform at a time is all we'd find in any galaxy. Just a SWAG, of course.

Could be, but I find that fundamentally sad. I don't particularly like the thought that our galaxy is dependent on us to keep a living species going.

A pessimistic and optimistic thought all at the same time. ;)
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Re: Why we have yet to be contacted by aliens.

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:45 pm

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I'm confident of life being out there, but less so about "civilizations". It might be that one "intelligent" lifeform at a time is all we'd find in any galaxy. Just a SWAG, of course.

Could be, but I find that fundamentally sad. I don't particularly like the thought that our galaxy is dependent on us to keep a living species going.

A pessimistic and optimistic thought all at the same time. ;)

The galaxy really couldn't care if life survives or not.
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Re: Why we have yet to be contacted by aliens.

Postby Lance Kennedy » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:07 pm

There are numerous explanations as to why we have seen no aliens, including some in the past few posts. They are quite possible if there are few alien species. But if the number is as high as Hex's 30,000, they cannot all be explained away so blithely. Among 30,000, there will be some that are aggressive and expansionist, or just plain dedicated explorers. 30,000 will not all die off due to some weird accident.

He conclusions is that aliens are rare. Possibly none in our galaxy at all.

Hex. You missed my earlier point. You do not need to 'get around' the laws of physics. It is quite possible in theory to build starships able to travel ot 0.1 to 0.5 of light speed, and these are sufficient given enough time.

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Re: Why we have yet to be contacted by aliens.

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:24 pm

There's no reason to put any number on the alien planets.
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