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Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby RP150 » Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:46 pm

There have been claims circulating all over the Internet about the new date for the rapture which this year is 23rd September. Here is a link to the claim, this has also been tied in with the asteroid claim on this same date.

http://www.tribulation-now.org/2014/11/ ... om-kippur/

My thoughts

This uses the so called prophetic year (360 days) as this claim originates from the book of daniel which is old testament the more likely system would be the Hebrew calendar which is 354 days, this would place the date of the rapture as being December last year.

Would love to hear people's thoughts on this.

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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby scrmbldggs » Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:12 pm

They are a little late. Or overly hopeful. That so-called Rapture already happened. And they weren't taken.

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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Poodle » Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:27 pm

RP150 wrote:There have been claims circulating all over the Internet about the new date for the rapture which this year is 23rd September. Here is a link to the claim, this has also been tied in with the asteroid claim on this same date.

http://www.tribulation-now.org/2014/11/ ... om-kippur/

My thoughts

This uses the so called prophetic year (360 days) as this claim originates from the book of daniel which is old testament the more likely system would be the Hebrew calendar which is 354 days, this would place the date of the rapture as being December last year.

Would love to hear people's thoughts on this.


Sorry, RP150, but thoughts on what, exactly? There's no asteroid on a collision course (believe me, we'd know) and a gang of fundamentalists are, yet again, predicting doom. Why should anyone waste time thinking about something which is predicted with stultifyingly monotonous regularity and is never correct?

Besides which, those aliens inside the moon won't let it happen.

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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Gord » Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:53 pm

The concept of "the Rapture" is fairly new, and does not come from early Christianity. The first known use of the word "Rapture" in this context is from the 18th century.

The claims of the end of the Earth have been happening for 2000 years now. Asteroid 2007 TD was supposedly going to hit the Earth on September 23rd 2011 (in case you haven't noticed, it didn't) and somehow destroy the Earth, even though 2007 TD is only 35-75 metres in diameter and would probably create an air-burst (similar to the Tunguska event) without leaving a crater. Hardly Earth ending. It would certainly be catastrophic for anyone in the area, though.
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby TJrandom » Sun Jun 14, 2015 11:02 pm

Gord wrote:... It would certainly be catastrophic for anyone in the area, though.


Or rapturous... :lol:

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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Gord » Sun Jun 14, 2015 11:07 pm

Catarapturic.
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Tom Palven » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:09 am

RP150 wrote:There have been claims circulating all over the Internet about the new date for the rapture which this year is 23rd September. Here is a link to the claim, this has also been tied in with the asteroid claim on this same date.

http://www.tribulation-now.org/2014/11/ ... om-kippur/

My thoughts

This uses the so called prophetic year (360 days) as this claim originates from the book of daniel which is old testament the more likely system would be the Hebrew calendar which is 354 days, this would place the date of the rapture as being December last year.

Would love to hear people's thoughts on this.


Yeah, you'd like to think that the date passed, Gord, but this is the Real Rapture, so mark your calendar!
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Tom Palven » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:09 am

RP150 wrote:There have been claims circulating all over the Internet about the new date for the rapture which this year is 23rd September. Here is a link to the claim, this has also been tied in with the asteroid claim on this same date.

http://www.tribulation-now.org/2014/11/ ... om-kippur/

My thoughts

This uses the so called prophetic year (360 days) as this claim originates from the book of daniel which is old testament the more likely system would be the Hebrew calendar which is 354 days, this would place the date of the rapture as being December last year.

Would love to hear people's thoughts on this.


Yeah, you'd like to think that the date passed, Gord, but this is the Real Rapture, so mark your calendar!
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby TJrandom » Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:15 am

I have a piano concert on that date - so could we move it back a day or so? Thanks in advance.

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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Gord » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:37 am

Tom-Palven wrote:
RP150 wrote:There have been claims circulating all over the Internet about the new date for the rapture which this year is 23rd September. Here is a link to the claim, this has also been tied in with the asteroid claim on this same date.

http://www.tribulation-now.org/2014/11/ ... om-kippur/

My thoughts

This uses the so called prophetic year (360 days) as this claim originates from the book of daniel which is old testament the more likely system would be the Hebrew calendar which is 354 days, this would place the date of the rapture as being December last year.

Would love to hear people's thoughts on this.

Yeah, you'd like to think that the date passed, Gord, but this is the Real Rapture, so mark your calendar!

whut? :|
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby TJrandom » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:42 am

I think he means that this is the real rapture before the real real rapture next year and the real real real rapture the year after that, and the.... well, you get the picture....

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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Poodle » Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:00 pm

IT'S ALL TRUE!!!

On September 23rd, asteroid 2015 GA14, measuring some 25 to 57 metres across, will approach Earth with a minimum separation of ... errrmmm ... 18.6 million miles.

TAKE COVER!

Convenient measure ... The Moon is 238,000 miles away.

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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Gord » Sat Aug 01, 2015 3:48 am

TJrandom wrote:I think he means that this is the real rapture before the real real rapture next year and the real real real rapture the year after that, and the.... well, you get the picture....

But he responded to RPnumbers, not to Gord. I'm Gord. Gord's not RPnumbers.
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby TJrandom » Sat Aug 01, 2015 5:10 am

If we rapture, it won`t much matter who we are....

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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby SiSter AbiGail » Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:26 pm

These fruit cakes are not going to be happy until we all die in agony! I got $20 says it don't happen.
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Postby xouper » Sat Aug 29, 2015 4:25 pm

When someone tells me a date for the end of the world, I hand them a contract that assigns ownership of all their stuff to me and that I will come by on the day after to take possession. When they decline to sign it, I point out they have just admitted a lack of faith in the prediction. That pisses them off. I win. :lol:

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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby SiSter AbiGail » Sat Aug 29, 2015 4:45 pm

xouper wrote:When someone tells me a date for the end of the world, I hand them a contract that assigns ownership of all their stuff to me and that I will come by on the day after to take possession. When they decline to sign it, I point out they have just admitted a lack of faith in the prediction. That pisses them off. I win. :lol:


I like it....Never thought of that.
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Cygnus_X1 » Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:04 pm

"There have been claims circulating all over the Internet about the new date for the rapture which this year is 23rd September"

Oh {!#%@}....I've just read how many sex partners the average person has in their life, and now have to bonk 9 people in 8 days.
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Monster » Tue Sep 15, 2015 5:24 pm

RP150 wrote:There have been claims circulating all over the Internet about the new date for the rapture which this year is 23rd September. Here is a link to the claim, this has also been tied in with the asteroid claim on this same date.

http://www.tribulation-now.org/2014/11/ ... om-kippur/

My thoughts

This uses the so called prophetic year (360 days) as this claim originates from the book of daniel which is old testament the more likely system would be the Hebrew calendar which is 354 days, this would place the date of the rapture as being December last year.

Would love to hear people's thoughts on this.

How many times does the world need to end! :evil:
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby xouper » Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:38 pm

Monster wrote:
RP150 wrote:Would love to hear people's thoughts on this.

How many times does the world need to end! :evil:

Given there are cats on this planet, I'd guess at least nine times.

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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:34 pm

Cygnus_X1 wrote:
Oh {!#%@}....I've just read how many sex partners the average person has in their life, and now have to bonk 9 people in 8 days.
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Cygnus_X1 » Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:08 pm

OMG....the world is still here ! And all the religious {!#%@}.

Never mind. There's always next year.
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Gord » Fri Sep 25, 2015 3:33 am

Is it over yet? I want to go to bed.
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Mladjoni » Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:00 pm

oh no not again, i bearly survived last 20 ones :D

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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

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The rapture did happen. All the good Christian are gone. Both of them.
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Gord » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:04 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:The rapture did happen. All the good Christian are gone. Both of them.

To where?
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:28 pm

Gord wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:The rapture did happen. All the good Christian are gone. Both of them.

To whetre?

Hell or Texas.
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby TJrandom » Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:42 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Gord wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:The rapture did happen. All the good Christian are gone. Both of them.

To whetre?

Hell or Texas.


Redundant.... :)

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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

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TJrandom wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Gord wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:The rapture did happen. All the good Christian are gone. Both of them.

To whetre?

Hell or Texas.


Redundant.... :)

Well spotted.
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Gord » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:34 am

Gord wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:The rapture did happen. All the good Christian are gone. Both of them.

To where?

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
TJrandom wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Gord wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:The rapture did happen. All the good Christian are gone. Both of them.

To whetre?

Hell or Texas.


Redundant.... :)

Well spotted.

How did you get your "t" in my "where"?
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby TJrandom » Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:21 am

Gord wrote:
Gord wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:The rapture did happen. All the good Christian are gone. Both of them.

To where?

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
TJrandom wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Gord wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:The rapture did happen. All the good Christian are gone. Both of them.

To whetre?

Hell or Texas.


Redundant.... :)

Well spotted.

How did you get your "t" in my "where"?


My guess is that it came from the rapure....

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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

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I see the drugs have kicked in.
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:31 am

I'm new here. Just joined because it looked interesting. Having some time on my hands of late, I've been looking into the repeated failures of the world to end when the modern prophets say it must. I come down particularly hard on Hal Lindsey, who started out some 45 years ago with "The Late, Great Planet Earth" fitting the USSR into Bible prophecy. He continued to do that until the USSR no longer existed. Then he gradually moved in the direction of demonizing Muslims. That's where he's been for the last 20 years. And yet he still has many followers, eager to forget his earlier dementia.

The one I'd really like to debunk is Jack Van Impe. I even went to the length of ordering some of his books to see if I could catch him out making idiotically bad predictions. Well, you can't. He makes sure that the only books you can buy from Amazon are "reprints" of earlier editions, with his howlers carefully edited out. He doesn't get them all, though. I have found a few that he missed. He kept extending the window for Argmageddon, first saying it had to be within 40 years of the founding of Israel, then deciding that, no, a generation might be as much as 70 years. That was safe; it expires this year, but so will he, probably, if he hasn't already. He's had some serious health problems of late. Anyway, he's made his millions from peddling this farrago of nonsense and can well afford to retire. If anybody knows how to get AUTHENTIC original editions of his work, I might still undertake a writing project along these lines.
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:02 pm

Check alibris.com for earlier editions.
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Postby Gord » Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:32 am

There are probably quite a few online used book sellers. I'd look at Abebooks first, personally, but that's only because I've bought one book from them before. (One purchase is not a valid basis for an endorsement, however.)

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Search ... -_-Results

Here's an example of a book, Final Mysteries Unsealed, which says it is a "first edition": https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDe ... %26fe%3Don US$ 7.45 plus shipping.
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:53 pm

Thanks all. I'll look into these sources. (Should have thought of them myself. I trusted the publication dates given in Amazon, until I looked at the copyright pages and found that some of these editions "from 1972" were actually "fifteenth printings." A new printing can cover a multitude of sins!)
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:24 pm

Amazon is a business, so scruples aren't available.
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:52 pm

About that 360-day "prophetic year," I first heard of it in Hal Lindsey's "The Late Great Planet Earth." He just baldly speaks of it as if it were well known. I always suspected he needed it to fiddle the numbers and make the "amazing Bible prophecies" of Jesus in the Book of Daniel fit the actual numbers known from sober history. Does it go back still further? Where did the crazy idea originate that the ancient Hebrews used as 360-day year? The Egyptians had 12 calendar months of 30 days each, subdivided into 10-day "weeks." But they knew that wasn't a real year, and they added 5 or 6 intercalary days at the end of each year, named after their gods. So they didn't have a "360-day year" that the Hebrews could have adopted. The Hebrews seem to have adopted the lunisolar calendar during the Babylonian exile. The Babylonians had used such a calendar for a long time and knew that a period of 235 lunar months is almost exactly equal to 19 solar years, so they added an intercalary month seven times every nineteen years, exactly as the present-day Hebrew calendar does. There is no evidence I can see that the Hebrews EVER wrote or used a "360-day prophetic year." Like the Rapture itself, it strikes me as a totally modern European/American invention.

But I'm eager to learn if I'm wrong. Is anybody well-enough informed about this to teach me?
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Gord » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:05 am

Have you read the weird mash-up on the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophetic_Year

It uses Robert Anderson's The Coming Prince (10th Edition) and Robert Fleming Jr.'s The Rise and Fall of Papacy (1848 edition) as sources.

The Rise and Fall of Papacy was first published in 1801. I don't know when The Coming Prince was first published, but the author lived from 1841-1918; I did find the text available online here at whatsaiththescripture dot com, and the preface to the 10th edition says:

THE COMING PRINCE has been out of print for more than a year; for it seemed inadvisable to
reissue it during the War. But the War has apparently created an increased interest in the prophecies of
Daniel; and as this book is therefore in demand, it has been decided to publish a new edition without
further delay. Not that these pages contain any sensational "Armageddon" theories. For "a place called
in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon" is situated neither in France nor in Flanders, but in Palestine; and
the future of the land and people of the covenant will be a main issue in the great battle which is yet to
be fought on that historic plain....

That's before Hal Lindsey's 1970 book, The Late Great Planet Earth. (Incidentally, that sounds like it might be the name of the only movie I've ever walked out on. Orson Welles was the narrator, and I like Orson Welles, but the movie was truly awful.)
"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
"You are also taking my words out of context." -- Justin
"Nullius in verba" -- The Royal Society ["take nobody's word for it"]
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Re: Rapture - 23rd September 2015

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:18 pm

Wow! You are very well-informed on this. Thanks for the information.

Yes, the movie of TLGPE was awful. It was on television a few months ago, and I settled down to watch it under the category of "research." The opening scenes were so amateurishly directed and filmed that I started laughing and couldn't stop. I knew immediately what was happening. The man fleeing from his pursuers up the rocky hillside was a prophet who had gotten it wrong. And (as all good fundamentalists know), the ancients were VERY STRICT in enforcing their laws. (Another erroneous belief they can't seem to shake.) So he was to be killed. Lindsey emphasizes that point. I guess he should be glad the penalty for false prophecy has been rescinded, as he would certainly fall afoul of it.
“One day a Tzadik came to Sodom....He preached to the people. "Please do not be murderers, do not be thieves."... Finally someone asked him, "Rabbi, why do you do that? Don't you see it is no use?" He said,... "I will tell you why: in the beginning I thought I had to protest and to shout in order to change them. I have given up this hope. Now I know I must picket and scream and shout so that they should not change me."’ – Elie Wiesel, “Words from a Witness”.


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