A CIVILIZED COUNTRY??

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A CIVILIZED COUNTRY??

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Re: A CIVILIZED COUNTRY??

Postby Monster » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:01 pm

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Postby Austin Harper » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:18 pm

I don't know what else can even be said so I'll echo Monster.
That's insane.
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Re: A CIVILIZED COUNTRY??

Postby Major Malfunction » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:53 pm

Indiana.
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Postby nmblum88 » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:52 pm

It certainly sounds insane, from the point of view of the rationalist, the religious skeptic.
But it also sounds like the potential, perhaps unavoidable conclusion for a system of justice that is rooted in religion and the superstitions and fears that are inherent in all of them.
Paricularly in matters sexual, and what is relevant to the relations of the male to the female..
What is the actual difference between this bizarre ruling and the words of the American (Christian ) Congressman who opined that nature prevents pregnancy from actual rape ( that is forced penetration) and thus women who seek aborting such pregnancies are essentially lying about what was really consensual sex?
Degree?
Or nothing at all?
Because as it happens,all societies that have laws about human
relationships , about crime and punishment, that are rooted in scripture rather than reason, end up with bizarre rulings and unjust laws.
I don't know about Australia, but a visit to the US Supreme Court building in Washington D.C. (among the most beautiful and impressive of our Government edifices.. really noble, Greek inspired architecture) reveals a disturbing number of references to the Abrahamic diety.
Disturbing and ominous.
So I'm not so sure we can afford to feel superior to the "insanity" of Indian legal decisions.
When societies are troubled they… which means the governed AND the governing tend to go off the deep end, arriving at extreme positions that are usually full of (tacit OR actual) references to the gods.


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Re: A CIVILIZED COUNTRY??

Postby Poodle » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:27 pm

Well - apart from that, it's insane.

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Re: A CIVILIZED COUNTRY??

Postby nmblum88 » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:38 pm

Poodle wrote:Well - apart from that, it's insane.


If that works for you… then that works for you.

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Re: A CIVILIZED COUNTRY??

Postby OlegTheBatty » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:07 pm

The preponderance of evidence indicates rape, but the judge could be correct that the evidence does not meet a 'beyond reasonable doubt' standard. The woman is not alive to testify, so it cannot be assumed what she consented to, if physical evidence does not point to it (none is given here).

The judge's explanation, however . . . cringeworthy!
. . . with the satisfied air of a man who thinks he has an idea of his own because he has commented on the idea of another . . . - Alexandre Dumas 'The Count of Monte Cristo"

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Re: A CIVILIZED COUNTRY??

Postby nmblum88 » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:30 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:The preponderance of evidence indicates rape, but the judge could be correct that the evidence does not meet a 'beyond reasonable doubt' standard. The woman is not alive to testify, so it cannot be assumed what she consented to, if physical evidence does not point to it (none is given here).

The judge's explanation, however . . . cringeworthy!

Indian law despite all the protestations of secular democracy is tinged with religious precepts about the status of women, and the societal relationships of men and women, especially as they relate to the theme of marriage and family….
Sometimes it is shocking, and always it is surprising, but it's there.
Religion doesn't go down without a fight… it remains pervasive in its influence on civil life and law…
The US is not the only society plagued with the ailment, we are simply more shocking because of our once enormously superior technical proficiency ….
Does one need to witness anything more insane than so many ostensibly
bright, literate, even scientifically minded people (Sweet Pea does come to mind) who adamantly cannot come to terms with what is so patently true, that the planet can be destroyed in its own time due to human intervention, carelessness and greed, … yes, even before god gives his permission?

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Re: A CIVILIZED COUNTRY??

Postby Major Malfunction » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:07 pm

Life and lies are cheap in India. I could go on a whole rant, but my Cultural Advisor says don't go there if you value your life.

You can get a good chai tea and curry around the corner. And maybe you'll discover yourself by just switching off the TV and having a bit of a think.

Save yourself the airfares and the risk of rape and murder. Smoke a joint, listen to some Ravi Shankar and just imagine you're there, with the omnipresent stink of rot, {!#%@}, and death. And every person a predator, waiting to take advantage of the most fleeting sign of weakness. On your couch.
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Re: A CIVILIZED COUNTRY??

Postby OlegTheBatty » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:09 pm

nmblum wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:The preponderance of evidence indicates rape, but the judge could be correct that the evidence does not meet a 'beyond reasonable doubt' standard. The woman is not alive to testify, so it cannot be assumed what she consented to, if physical evidence does not point to it (none is given here).

The judge's explanation, however . . . cringeworthy!

Indian law despite all the protestations of secular democracy is tinged with religious precepts about the status of women, and the societal relationships of men and women, especially as they relate to the theme of marriage and family….
Sometimes it is shocking, and always it is surprising, but it's there.
Religion doesn't go down without a fight… it remains pervasive in its influence on civil life and law…
The US is not the only society plagued with the ailment, we are simply more shocking because of our once enormously superior technical proficiency ….
Does one need to witness anything more insane than so many ostensibly
bright, literate, even scientifically minded people (Sweet Pea does come to mind) who adamantly cannot come to terms with what is so patently true, that the planet can be destroyed in its own time due to human intervention, carelessness and greed, … yes, even before god gives his permission?

NMB

Thanks. That actually merges the two interpretations. The judge's decision is based on the requirements in law for a conviction (his interpretation of that, anway, but that is his job). His explanation arises out of Indian religious and cultural traditions.

Perhaps Nabarun can tell us if judges in India need to pander to tradition, even if they don't rule according to it.
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Re: A CIVILIZED COUNTRY??

Postby SweetPea » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:20 pm

Even religious law panels can be brought to respect their own law.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td2hfdXQ5x8

It's an uphill battle to do so with the Obama admin, but still....
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