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We can rebuild him. We have the technology.

Postby Nikki Nyx » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:48 pm

Researchers at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center and Ohio State's College of Engineering have developed a new technology, Tissue Nanotransfection (TNT), that can generate any cell type of interest for treatment within the patient's own body. This technology may be used to repair injured tissue or restore function of aging tissue, including organs, blood vessels and nerve cells.

Results of the regenerative medicine study published in the journal Nature Nanotechnology.

"By using our novel nanochip technology, injured or compromised organs can be replaced. We have shown that skin is a fertile land where we can grow the elements of any organ that is declining," said Dr. Chandan Sen, director of Ohio State's Center for Regenerative Medicine & Cell Based Therapies, who co-led the study with L. James Lee, professor of chemical and biomolecular engineering with Ohio State's College of Engineering in collaboration with Ohio State's Nanoscale Science and Engineering Center.

Researchers studied mice and pigs in these experiments. In the study, researchers were able to reprogram skin cells to become vascular cells in badly injured legs that lacked blood flow. Within one week, active blood vessels appeared in the injured leg, and by the second week, the leg was saved. In lab tests, this technology was also shown to reprogram skin cells in the live body into nerve cells that were injected into brain-injured mice to help them recover from stroke.

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Postby OlegTheBatty » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:59 pm

OTOH, one of the advantages of lichdom is that you don't need medical insurance.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:10 pm

We have shown that skin is a fertile land where we can grow the elements of any organ that is declining,"


Talk about wearing your heart on yer buckskin. :-P
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:47 am

OlegTheBatty wrote:OTOH, one of the advantages of lichdom is that you don't need medical insurance.

"Cake or death?"
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Postby ElectricMonk » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:55 am

This all sounds awesome, but it is promising way more than it can deliver.
I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:
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1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.
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Postby Phoenix76 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:39 am

So was flying to the moon EM. But we went and done that. How knows.

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Postby ElectricMonk » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:33 am

Phoenix76 wrote:So was flying to the moon EM. But we went and done that. How Who knows.


sorry, but did you even understand what they are talking about?
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1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
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Postby Gord » Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:52 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:OTOH, one of the advantages of lichdom is that you don't need medical insurance.

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Postby Phoenix76 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:54 am

ElectricMonk wrote:
Phoenix76 wrote:So was flying to the moon EM. But we went and done that. How Who knows.


sorry, but did you even understand what they are talking about?


My friend, I was responding to you post:

Electric Monk Said_

This all sounds awesome, but it is promising way more than it can deliver.


All I'm saying EM is that no matter how unattainable something is today, tomorrow may be a different matter.

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Postby Phoenix76 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:55 am

And before you correct me, it should read "your post"

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Postby Gord » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:49 pm

You can edit your posts. Just click the button that says "edit" when you hover your mouse over it. Looks like a pencil.
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Postby ElectricMonk » Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:35 pm

Phoenix76 wrote:
All I'm saying EM is that no matter how unattainable something is today, tomorrow may be a different matter.


but they claim that it can do miracles now, not in the distant future.
Hence my statement that they are promising too much.
I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:
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1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.
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Re: We can rebuild him. We have the technology.

Postby Nikki Nyx » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:41 pm

I agree that this shows promise for the future, but that they are overstating what can be done with the technology currently...for human beings. Still, it's an amazing technology that has far-reaching implications for medicine, if it can be extrapolated from the lab into practice.
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:01 am

It also needs to be affordable. I suspect that this technology will almost cost what the trip to the moon did.

However, history tells us that new technologies tend to start out very expensive and drop in price over time. Give it another century and it may be a wonderful system available to the ordinary man and woman.

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Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:06 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:It also needs to be affordable..


Steve Austin only cost six million to rebuild. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoLs0V8T5AA

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Postby Gord » Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:31 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Lance Kennedy wrote:It also needs to be affordable..


Steve Austin only cost six million to rebuild. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoLs0V8T5AA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoKwX5fLJ5E
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Re: We can rebuild him. We have the technology.

Postby Nikki Nyx » Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:25 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Lance Kennedy wrote:It also needs to be affordable..


Steve Austin only cost six million to rebuild. :D
According to Anwar Shaikh, an economics professor at New York's New School university, he would cost $33M to rebuild today...although the materials would only cost $12K. This is why we need single payer in the US. "This" meaning the ridiculous labor mark-up, not so we can build bionic people.
What are the facts? Again and again and again-what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what “the stars foretell,” avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable “verdict of history”--what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!
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