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Are Probiotics for real?

Postby NutritionCOW » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:51 pm

I've been reading some pretty crazy claims about protein powder with "probiotics" already mixed into it, every article I've read makes wild claims and doesn't back them up, for example http://proteinbrain.com/best-protein-po ... robiotics/ Supposedly your stomach is full of billions of bacteria which can be depleted by modern agriculture foods, and they used the magic, crazy-theory acronym "GMO" of course, haha. The site I linked even claims probiotics are as good as anti-depressants or something... come on.

I'm super suspicious that this is nonsense designed to sell magic probiotic protein powder, but I wanted to know what the experts think. That's you guys.. :mrgreen: Of course if it's legit I'll be happy, good for my IBS, which is why I'm searching about this stuff in the first place!

Thanks guys.

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Re: Are Probiotics for real?

Postby Gord » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:12 am

:oldman: There are no experts here, just old people!

Here, I wikipediaed it for us: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probiotic

Probiotics are defined as live microorganisms that are believed to provide health benefits when consumed. The term probiotic is currently used to name ingested microorganisms associated with benefits for humans and animals....

...Although there are numerous claimed benefits of using commercial probiotics, such as reducing gastrointestinal discomfort, improving immune health, relieving constipation, or avoiding the common cold, such claims are not backed by scientific evidence and are prevented as deceptive advertisements in the United States by the Federal Trade Commission....

My experience with probiotics has been unimpressive.

Here's the conclusion of a study I looked at a while ago: http://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/9/4/400/htm

Conclusions

Probiotic food products sold in Canada could offer a variety of health benefits depending on the strain(s) and dosage they contain. That being said, the probiotic dosages contained in most food products are currently too low to provide the benefits shown in clinical trials. Therefore, with higher dosages, or with trails substantiating the current dosage, there is potential for the strains that are already in food products to provide more benefits to the consumer.

Currently there is only a small volume of literature investigating the health benefits of the probiotic strains used in the Canadian food supply. Thus, additional clinical trials, particularly ones that are not sponsored by the food industry, are needed. Hopefully this work will encourage funding and regulatory agencies to fund more research investigating probiotics. A larger number of well conducted studies and clear evidence-based labeling regulations will ultimately help the consumers to make informed choices and derive substantiated benefits form the products they choose to consume.

Overall, considering the wide range of diseases and health conditions for which probiotics have been shown to have benefits, further research to promote the optimal design of probiotic food products is needed to enable more effective use of these functional foods.

It turned out that to get the health benefit I wanted from the yogurt I was eating, I needed to consume between 12 and 20 servings per day. I tried that once. It did work, but...ew. That was a lot of yogurt.
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Re: Are Probiotics for real?

Postby ElectricMonk » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:42 am

There are probiotic pills crammed full with stabilized bacterial cultures in stomach-acid resistant pills. It has been shown that these will settle in the gut if taken daily for weeks and supported by the right diet.
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Re: Are Probiotics for real?

Postby Gord » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:33 am

ElectricMonk wrote:There are probiotic pills crammed full with stabilized bacterial cultures in stomach-acid resistant pills. It has been shown that these will settle in the gut if taken daily for weeks and supported by the right diet.
Everything else is marketing.

There are?!?! Show me!
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Re: Are Probiotics for real?

Postby Lance Kennedy » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:18 am

The problem is that there are at least 200 species of beneficial bacteria in the human gut. Probiotics will normally have just one. You can imagine how much value that is.

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Postby OlegTheBatty » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:40 pm

Not much good yet, but maybe some day.

Over 1000 species now known. The probiotics currently available are not among them, and can be classified as "less pathogenic" rather than 'good'. However, times they are a'changin' and as knowledge of the microbiome increases, the potential for useful probiotics increases.
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:55 pm

NutritionCOW wrote:I've been reading some pretty crazy claims about protein powder with "probiotics" already mixed into it, every article I've read makes wild claims and doesn't back them up, for example http://proteinbrain.com/best-protein-po ... robiotics/ Supposedly your stomach is full of billions of bacteria which can be depleted by modern agriculture foods, and they used the magic, crazy-theory acronym "GMO" of course, haha. The site I linked even claims probiotics are as good as anti-depressants or something... come on.

I'm super suspicious that this is nonsense designed to sell magic probiotic protein powder, but I wanted to know what the experts think. That's you guys.. :mrgreen: Of course if it's legit I'll be happy, good for my IBS, which is why I'm searching about this stuff in the first place!

Thanks guys.

Just to offer a common sense viewpoint...
How do the cultures manage to stay alive in this "magic probiotic protein powder?" I mean, active dry yeast only lasts a few months in an airtight container in the fridge, so how does non-refrigerated powder exposed to oxygen keep the little beasties alive?

What's the shelf life of Pure Food Protein?
2 years. If you store it in a cool, dry place even longer than that. We recommend refrigerating to preserve as many nutrients as possible. It is real food, after all.
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Re: Are Probiotics for real?

Postby Gord » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:27 am

OlegTheBatty wrote:Not much good yet, but maybe some day.

Over 1000 species now known. The probiotics currently available are not among them, and can be classified as "less pathogenic" rather than 'good'. However, times they are a'changin' and as knowledge of the microbiome increases, the potential for useful probiotics increases.

Huh. I admit I know next to nothing about how probiotics are supposed to work, but I thought they weren't meant to replace the existing gut biome, they were meant to feed it. In other words, I thought the "good" bacteria ate the stuff in the probiotics.

If that's incorrect, then I admit I know even less than I thought I did.
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Re: Are Probiotics for real?

Postby ElectricMonk » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:43 am

Gord wrote:Huh. I admit I know next to nothing about how probiotics are supposed to work, but I thought they weren't meant to replace the existing gut biome, they were meant to feed it. In other words, I thought the "good" bacteria ate the stuff in the probiotics.

If that's incorrect, then I admit I know even less than I thought I did.


What you are referring to are now called "Pre-biotics" though you are right that in the past people usually didn't make the distinction.
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Re: Are Probiotics for real?

Postby Gord » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:10 am

*puts down his yogurt*

Whut? :|
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Re: Are Probiotics for real?

Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:52 pm

If ya get tired of your yogurt, have a helping of this.
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Postby TJrandom » Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:31 am

Just a hunch, but I do suspect that NutritionCOW was only here to boost sales....

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Re: Are Probiotics for real?

Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:37 am

So it seems. Maybe that link should go?
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Re: Are Probiotics for real?

Postby gorgeous » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:24 pm

the antibiotics would say no...
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Postby TJrandom » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:23 pm

A NutritionCOW LTD exists in the real world....

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Re: Are Probiotics for real?

Postby Gord » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:54 am

scrmbldggs wrote:If ya get tired of your yogurt, have a helping of this.

"No sugar, vinegar, or preservatives."

Wait. What else IS there? Is the jar completely empty?!?!
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Re: Are Probiotics for real?

Postby Major Malfunction » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:37 am

TJ could ship you some cans of fresh Mount Fuji air. For a few extra Yen he'll go down to the vending machine and toss in some used schoolgirl's undies.

Is it "toss in", or "toss-in"?

You see, Gord? Sometimes hyphens make all the difference.
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Postby Gord » Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:29 pm

Hyphens always make the difference. That's why it's never "no-one". :beee:
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Postby scrmbldggs » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:21 pm

Gord wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:If ya get tired of your yogurt, have a helping of this.

"No sugar, vinegar, or preservatives."

Wait. What else IS there? Is the jar completely empty?!?!

Sour?
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Re: Are Probiotics for real?

Postby Gord » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:42 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
Gord wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:If ya get tired of your yogurt, have a helping of this.

"No sugar, vinegar, or preservatives."

Wait. What else IS there? Is the jar completely empty?!?!

Sour?

Well, a little miffed, anyway.
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Postby TJrandom » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:17 pm

The thing about those used undies... you never know who used them. On a hot day, I could make a small fortune from wiping my underarm sweat...

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Re: Are Probiotics for real?

Postby scrmbldggs » Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:16 pm

Gord wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
Gord wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:If ya get tired of your yogurt, have a helping of this.

"No sugar, vinegar, or preservatives."

Wait. What else IS there? Is the jar completely empty?!?!

Sour?

Well, a little miffed, anyway.

What's grating on you? Someone poured salt onto your wounds?
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Postby Major Malfunction » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:39 am

TJrandom wrote:The thing about those used undies... you never know who used them. On a hot day, I could make a small fortune from wiping my underarm sweat...

I always wondered what was their use. So Japanese use them like Europeans use handkerchiefs? Well, I'm never without a handky, so next time I'm in Tokyo I'll make sure I conform to the expected societal norms, and always have a pair of knickers in my back pocket, and offer them to any pretty ladies that might need to dry their tears.
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Re: Are Probiotics for real?

Postby Gord » Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:25 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
Gord wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
Gord wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:If ya get tired of your yogurt, have a helping of this.

"No sugar, vinegar, or preservatives."

Wait. What else IS there? Is the jar completely empty?!?!

Sour?

Well, a little miffed, anyway.

What's grating on you? Someone poured salt onto your wounds?

Now now, let's not go crackers.
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Re: Are Probiotics for real?

Postby scrmbldggs » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:41 pm

Gord wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
Gord wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
Gord wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:If ya get tired of your yogurt, have a helping of this.

"No sugar, vinegar, or preservatives."

Wait. What else IS there? Is the jar completely empty?!?!

Sour?

Well, a little miffed, anyway.

What's grating on you? Someone poured salt onto your wounds?

Now now, let's not go crackers.

Ah, fer mint.
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