Organic food

A skeptical look at medical practices
User avatar
Lance Kennedy
Has No Life
Posts: 11696
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:20 pm
Custom Title: Super Skeptic
Location: Paradise, New Zealand

Organic food

Post by Lance Kennedy » Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:04 am

http://tna.europarchive.org/20120209120 ... ul/organic

The British Food Standards Agency commissioned a meta study of all research comparing the nutritional effects of choosing either 'organic' food or conventional food, over the past 50 years. This is by far the most comprehensive study on the topic and the conclusion is clear. There is no health or nutritional benefit in eating 'organic' food compared to conventional.

I have mentioned this study to half a dozen odd fans of organic food, and not one budged. They all claimed the study was wrong.

User avatar
Gord
Obnoxious Weed
Posts: 32183
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:44 am
Custom Title: Silent Ork
Location: Transcona

Re: Organic food

Post by Gord » Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:18 am

Personally, if they'd concluded that there was a health or nutritional benefit in eating 'organic' food, I would have budged -- but just barely. I too would have felt the study was wrong, but I still would have had to accept the evidence (meagre though I may find it) and looked at 'organic' food differently. As it is right now, I usually glance at the overpriced stuff in the supermarket and laugh at it. Literally, I laugh. Out loud. Sometimes I roll my eyes. Three dollars for 'organic' strawberries?? The other ones are $2.50 right now. Screw you, 'organic'!
"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
"Imagine an ennobling of what could be" -- the New Age BS Generator site
"You are also taking my words out of context." -- Justin
"Nullius in verba" -- The Royal Society ["take nobody's word for it"]
#ANDAMOVIE
Is Trump in jail yet?

User avatar
Poodle
Has More Than 9K Posts
Posts: 9746
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:12 pm
Custom Title: Regular sleeper
Location: NE corner of my living room

Re: Organic food

Post by Poodle » Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:37 am

Considering the surprisingly un-organic methods of production allowable under the extremely broad organic definition, I realised a long time ago that organic food just means food. More expensive food, but not more nutritious food.

User avatar
Monster
Has More Than 5K Posts
Posts: 5394
Joined: Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:57 pm
Location: Tarrytown, NY, USA

Re: Organic food

Post by Monster » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:06 pm

Personally, I just consider "organic" stuff as just another product. I like some of the products that are labeled organic.
Listening twice as much as you speak is a sign of wisdom.

User avatar
OlegTheBatty
Has No Life
Posts: 11291
Joined: Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:35 pm
Custom Title: Uppity Atheist

Re: Organic food

Post by OlegTheBatty » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:29 pm

Conventional farming uses chemicals which we call chemicals, while organic farming uses chemicals that we don't call chemicals.

Organic farming is the naturalistic fallacy plus marketing.
. . . with the satisfied air of a man who thinks he has an idea of his own because he has commented on the idea of another . . . - Alexandre Dumas 'The Count of Monte Cristo"

There is no statement so absurd that it has not been uttered by some philosopher. - Cicero

User avatar
Lance Kennedy
Has No Life
Posts: 11696
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:20 pm
Custom Title: Super Skeptic
Location: Paradise, New Zealand

Re: Organic food

Post by Lance Kennedy » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:58 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Organic farming is the naturalistic fallacy plus marketing.


Like that statement. It is so true.

The rules for organic farming always seemed so arbitrary to me.

User avatar
OlegTheBatty
Has No Life
Posts: 11291
Joined: Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:35 pm
Custom Title: Uppity Atheist

Re: Organic food

Post by OlegTheBatty » Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:07 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Organic farming is the naturalistic fallacy plus marketing.


Like that statement. It is so true.

The rules for organic farming always seemed so arbitrary to me.


Yeah, and the best results are from combining the best of both - organic soil building plus conventional fertilizers and (when needed) pesticides.
. . . with the satisfied air of a man who thinks he has an idea of his own because he has commented on the idea of another . . . - Alexandre Dumas 'The Count of Monte Cristo"

There is no statement so absurd that it has not been uttered by some philosopher. - Cicero

User avatar
Lance Kennedy
Has No Life
Posts: 11696
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:20 pm
Custom Title: Super Skeptic
Location: Paradise, New Zealand

Re: Organic food

Post by Lance Kennedy » Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:43 am

How about glyphosate resistant GM crops and no till agriculture?

User avatar
ElectricMonk
Perpetual Poster
Posts: 4356
Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:21 pm
Custom Title: The Baby-eating Bishop

Re: Organic food

Post by ElectricMonk » Fri Aug 19, 2016 8:05 am

Fools!
We don't eat organic for health reasons, we do it to prevent The Attack of the Killer Tomatoes!

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Real Skeptic
Posts: 22150
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Organic food

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:07 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:http://tna.europarchive.org/20120209120540/http://www.food.gov.uk/news/newsarchive/2009/jul/organic

The British Food Standards Agency commissioned a meta study of all research comparing the nutritional effects of choosing either 'organic' food or conventional food, over the past 50 years. This is by far the most comprehensive study on the topic and the conclusion is clear. There is no health or nutritional benefit in eating 'organic' food compared to conventional.

I have mentioned this study to half a dozen odd fans of organic food, and not one budged. They all claimed the study was wrong.

There is a financial benefit, for the folks who label their {!#%@} 'organic'. I found "organic catnip" at Wally World. :roll:
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"
WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist
Has No Life
Posts: 14854
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:39 am
Custom Title: bobbo da existential pragmatist

Re: Organic food

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:39 am

I dunno. Does common sense enter into this at all?

I've read studies showing that organic causes more illness than standard for certain leafy plants that harbor ecoli. Then there are some fruits that are thought dangerous because they get heavy applications of poisons for pest control.

Both statements make sense to me....statistically...over the whole of each they could have equal stats....but what if you do the old PRO AND CON to each applicable food group?
Real Name: bobbo the existential pragmatic evangelical anti-theist and Class Warrior.
Asking: What is the most good for the most people?
Sample Issue: Should the Feds provide all babies with free diapers?

User avatar
Gord
Obnoxious Weed
Posts: 32183
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:44 am
Custom Title: Silent Ork
Location: Transcona

Re: Organic food

Post by Gord » Fri Aug 19, 2016 12:54 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I found "organic catnip" at Wally World. :roll:

Pfft. I can beat that: http://www.ebay.com/gds/NEW-Organic-Ove ... 057/g.html
"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
"Imagine an ennobling of what could be" -- the New Age BS Generator site
"You are also taking my words out of context." -- Justin
"Nullius in verba" -- The Royal Society ["take nobody's word for it"]
#ANDAMOVIE
Is Trump in jail yet?

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Real Skeptic
Posts: 22150
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Organic food

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:07 pm

Gord wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I found "organic catnip" at Wally World. :roll:

Pfft. I can beat that: http://www.ebay.com/gds/NEW-Organic-Ove ... 057/g.html

Sounds like "a certain persons" cooking. :roll:
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"
WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
Gord
Obnoxious Weed
Posts: 32183
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:44 am
Custom Title: Silent Ork
Location: Transcona

Re: Organic food

Post by Gord » Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:00 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Gord wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I found "organic catnip" at Wally World. :roll:

Pfft. I can beat that: http://www.ebay.com/gds/NEW-Organic-Ove ... 057/g.html

Sounds like "a certain persons" cooking. :roll:

Is this about my fudge or my metamucil-and-oatmeal experiment?
"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
"Imagine an ennobling of what could be" -- the New Age BS Generator site
"You are also taking my words out of context." -- Justin
"Nullius in verba" -- The Royal Society ["take nobody's word for it"]
#ANDAMOVIE
Is Trump in jail yet?

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Real Skeptic
Posts: 22150
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Organic food

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:14 pm

Gord wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Gord wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I found "organic catnip" at Wally World. :roll:

Pfft. I can beat that: http://www.ebay.com/gds/NEW-Organic-Ove ... 057/g.html

Sounds like "a certain persons" cooking. :roll:

Is this about my fudge or my metamucil-and-oatmeal experiment?

The Ex-lax Espresso didn't go over that well?
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"
WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
Austin Harper
Has More Than 5K Posts
Posts: 5184
Joined: Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:22 pm
Custom Title: Rock Chalk Astrohawk
Location: Detroit

Re: Organic food

Post by Austin Harper » Sat Aug 20, 2016 3:59 pm

I only buy organic when the grocery store is sold out of normal food.
Dum ratio nos ducet, valebimus et multa bene geremus.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Real Skeptic
Posts: 22150
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Organic food

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:19 pm

Austin Harper wrote:I only buy organic when the grocery store is sold out of normal food.

I'd gladly pay extra for organic toenail clippers.


Just so I could post a gif of the label.
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"
WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
scrmbldggs
Real Skeptic
Posts: 24204
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 7:55 am
Custom Title: something
Location: somewhere

Re: Organic food

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:19 pm

:hmm: I'd bet such would also come with their own little blade protecting/sharpening pyramid case or cover and being "energized by healing crystals". :roll:
.
Lard, save me from your followers.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Real Skeptic
Posts: 22150
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Organic food

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:45 pm

scrmbldggs wrote::hmm: I'd bet such would also come with their own little blade protecting/sharpening pyramid case or cover and being "energized by healing crystals". :roll:

Should we start a Go Fund Me?
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"
WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
scrmbldggs
Real Skeptic
Posts: 24204
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 7:55 am
Custom Title: something
Location: somewhere

Re: Organic food

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:50 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote::hmm: I'd bet such would also come with their own little blade protecting/sharpening pyramid case or cover and being "energized by healing crystals". :roll:

Should we start a Go Fund Me?

Yeah! I'll start on a name and advertising slogans. How does "Balances your chakras" and "Brightens your aura while you clip" sound? :-P
.
Lard, save me from your followers.

User avatar
scrmbldggs
Real Skeptic
Posts: 24204
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 7:55 am
Custom Title: something
Location: somewhere

Re: Organic food

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:58 pm

EBTEC - Etheric Body & Toenail Enhancing Clippers. This device not only keeps your physical features neat and trim, it also improves meditation practices and psychic communication with your spirit guides, deceased loved ones and your cat.


"The invisible embraces quantum external reality"




Edit: I just had to add that T. It's Quantum!
Last edited by scrmbldggs on Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:32 am, edited 2 times in total.
.
Lard, save me from your followers.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Real Skeptic
Posts: 22150
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Organic food

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Aug 20, 2016 6:37 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote::hmm: I'd bet such would also come with their own little blade protecting/sharpening pyramid case or cover and being "energized by healing crystals". :roll:

Should we start a Go Fund Me?

Yeah! I'll start on a name and advertising slogans. How does "Balances your chakras" and "Brightens your aura while you clip" sound? :-P

"While you're getting clipped..."
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"
WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Real Skeptic
Posts: 22150
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Organic food

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Aug 20, 2016 6:38 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:EBEC - Etheric Body Enhancing Clippers. This device not only keeps your physical features neat and trim, it also improves meditation practices and psychic communication with your spirit guides, deceased loved ones and your cat.


"The invisible embraces quantum external reality"

"Powered by organic phlogiston."
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"
WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
scrmbldggs
Real Skeptic
Posts: 24204
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 7:55 am
Custom Title: something
Location: somewhere

Re: Organic food

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 20, 2016 6:48 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote::hmm: I'd bet such would also come with their own little blade protecting/sharpening pyramid case or cover and being "energized by healing crystals". :roll:

Should we start a Go Fund Me?

Yeah! I'll start on a name and advertising slogans. How does "Balances your chakras" and "Brightens your aura while you clip" sound? :-P

"While you're getting clipped..."

:lol:
.
Lard, save me from your followers.

User avatar
Paul Anthony
Veteran Poster
Posts: 2783
Joined: Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:23 pm
Custom Title: The other god
Location: The desert

Re: Organic food

Post by Paul Anthony » Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:25 am

"Pictsweet" sells packages of vegetables under that name, but also packages the same stuff for a long list of store brands. A few months age they had to recall their frozen peas...and all the other brands they package for...including some "organic" brands. It was all the same {!#%@}. But a wide range of different prices.
People who say ALWAYS and NEVER are usually wrong, part of the time.
Science answers questions, Philosophy questions answers.
Make sense, not war.

User avatar
scrmbldggs
Real Skeptic
Posts: 24204
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 7:55 am
Custom Title: something
Location: somewhere

Re: Organic food

Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:44 am

With the Pictsweed brand it's all how you say it. It's either the Goidelic/O-Celeryo version or the Britonnic/P-Carrotic.
.
Lard, save me from your followers.

Yasmin Morrison
Posts: 2
Joined: Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:51 pm
Location: UK

Re: Organic food

Post by Yasmin Morrison » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:59 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:http://tna.europarchive.org/20120209120540/http://www.food.gov.uk/news/newsarchive/2009/jul/organic

The British Food Standards Agency commissioned a meta study of all research comparing the nutritional effects of choosing either 'organic' food or conventional food, over the past 50 years. This is by far the most comprehensive study on the topic and the conclusion is clear. There is no health or nutritional benefit in eating 'organic' food compared to conventional.

I have mentioned this study to half a dozen odd fans of organic food, and not one budged. They all claimed the study was wrong.


Frankly speaking, I am shocked by such results of study...I like organic food, my family always try to eat "health" food, but now I don't know what to say... :shock:
Last edited by Yasmin Morrison on Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:50 am, edited 1 time in total.
Do not pray for an easy life, pray for the strength to endure a difficult one.

User avatar
Lance Kennedy
Has No Life
Posts: 11696
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:20 pm
Custom Title: Super Skeptic
Location: Paradise, New Zealand

Re: Organic food

Post by Lance Kennedy » Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:07 am

Yasmin
Welcome to the forum.

Eat healthy. The key is variety. The British National Health recommends 10 or more different fruits and veges each day. Whether organic or conventional matters not one jot.

User avatar
Gord
Obnoxious Weed
Posts: 32183
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:44 am
Custom Title: Silent Ork
Location: Transcona

Re: Organic food

Post by Gord » Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:34 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:The British National Health recommends 10 or more different fruits and veges each day.

Ten?!?! I don't eat ten or more different anything each day!

Jeez, what'd I eat today, lemme think. An apple, a banana, a fish...stick...thingy, a bowl of rice (ooh! probably ten or more grains of rice in that!), a splot of spinach*, a splatch of tomato**, and two pieces of bread. That's seven different kinds of things.

I don't think I can even name ten different fruits and veggies.





*I fried it; it turned into mush
**also fried, and also turned into mush
"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
"Imagine an ennobling of what could be" -- the New Age BS Generator site
"You are also taking my words out of context." -- Justin
"Nullius in verba" -- The Royal Society ["take nobody's word for it"]
#ANDAMOVIE
Is Trump in jail yet?

User avatar
Lance Kennedy
Has No Life
Posts: 11696
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:20 pm
Custom Title: Super Skeptic
Location: Paradise, New Zealand

Re: Organic food

Post by Lance Kennedy » Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:51 am

It is easy, Gord.
The amount recommended is half a handful of each. At home I have bananas, kiwifruit, oranges, grapes, frozen blueberries, onions, tomatoes, carrots, broccoli, cauliflower, frozen peas, brussels sprouts, spinach, potatoes, sweet potato, and frozen lemon juice.

You just eliminate take out food and make your own.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist
Has No Life
Posts: 14854
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:39 am
Custom Title: bobbo da existential pragmatist

Re: Organic food

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:27 am

Would pizza count as 10 different things?
Real Name: bobbo the existential pragmatic evangelical anti-theist and Class Warrior.
Asking: What is the most good for the most people?
Sample Issue: Should the Feds provide all babies with free diapers?

User avatar
Gord
Obnoxious Weed
Posts: 32183
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:44 am
Custom Title: Silent Ork
Location: Transcona

Re: Organic food

Post by Gord » Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:30 am

My god, there are more than three four different vegetables. :shock:


Incidentally, I just toasted a multigrain bun and put margarine and strawberry jam on it, so I'm counting that as "10 things I've eaten today" (I'm calling the bun and the strawberry jam as two things, but the margarine as part of the bun...otherwise I'll end up counting ingredients, and the fish...strip...thingy I ate earlier lists at least 18 ingredients on the side of the box [I'm not counting water, why is it even listed as an ingredient! :shakefist: ]).

Ohhh, I just remembered, there's celery in my fridge somewhere. That's another vegetable! I could've eaten celery.
"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
"Imagine an ennobling of what could be" -- the New Age BS Generator site
"You are also taking my words out of context." -- Justin
"Nullius in verba" -- The Royal Society ["take nobody's word for it"]
#ANDAMOVIE
Is Trump in jail yet?

User avatar
ElectricMonk
Perpetual Poster
Posts: 4356
Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:21 pm
Custom Title: The Baby-eating Bishop

Re: Organic food

Post by ElectricMonk » Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:02 am

Differently colored jelly babies count, right?

User avatar
Gord
Obnoxious Weed
Posts: 32183
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:44 am
Custom Title: Silent Ork
Location: Transcona

Re: Organic food

Post by Gord » Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:53 am

Only if they're broccoli flavoured.
"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
"Imagine an ennobling of what could be" -- the New Age BS Generator site
"You are also taking my words out of context." -- Justin
"Nullius in verba" -- The Royal Society ["take nobody's word for it"]
#ANDAMOVIE
Is Trump in jail yet?

User avatar
TJrandom
Has More Than 9K Posts
Posts: 9834
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:55 am
Location: Pacific coast outside of Tokyo bay.

Re: Organic food

Post by TJrandom » Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:00 pm

Ten would be a very restrictive limit for me...

User avatar
scrmbldggs
Real Skeptic
Posts: 24204
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 7:55 am
Custom Title: something
Location: somewhere

Re: Organic food

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:36 pm

Same here. I also eat at least ten times a day.


Just not full course meals.


:-P
.
Lard, save me from your followers.

User avatar
Paul Anthony
Veteran Poster
Posts: 2783
Joined: Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:23 pm
Custom Title: The other god
Location: The desert

Re: Organic food

Post by Paul Anthony » Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:34 pm

Does chocolate count? I eat a lot of different chocolate things.

And coffee! It comes from beans.

And cigarettes! Tobacco is organic, isn't it? ;)
People who say ALWAYS and NEVER are usually wrong, part of the time.
Science answers questions, Philosophy questions answers.
Make sense, not war.

User avatar
Lance Kennedy
Has No Life
Posts: 11696
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:20 pm
Custom Title: Super Skeptic
Location: Paradise, New Zealand

Re: Organic food

Post by Lance Kennedy » Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:15 pm

Chocolate is problematic. There is a lot of antioxidant in dark chocolate, and it is possible, not proven, that a small bit of the very darkest chocolate each day may be healthy. Not too much. Do not let your dog eat any.

Coffee is also healthy, in moderation, defined as 3 to 5 cups per day. It is protective against heart disease, Alzheimers and type 2 diabetes.

Tobacco is pure death. Interestingly, though, it is not just tobacco. Any smoke causes cancer, including wood fires, coal fires, dung fires, incense etc.

User avatar
scrmbldggs
Real Skeptic
Posts: 24204
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 7:55 am
Custom Title: something
Location: somewhere

Re: Organic food

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:28 pm

...barbecues... don't smoke too much while loading those with some good fats. :-P


(...and don't blacken your meat...)
.
Lard, save me from your followers.

User avatar
Paul Anthony
Veteran Poster
Posts: 2783
Joined: Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:23 pm
Custom Title: The other god
Location: The desert

Re: Organic food

Post by Paul Anthony » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:20 pm

I'm a vegetarian. This may seem counter-intuitive, but I smoke cigarettes but can't stand the smoke from a barbeque.

While attending a neighborhood barbeque, the person flipping the burgers amidst billowing smoke got upset with me for lighting a cigarette. :roll:
People who say ALWAYS and NEVER are usually wrong, part of the time.
Science answers questions, Philosophy questions answers.
Make sense, not war.