"Liberal" vs "Conservative"?

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"Liberal" vs "Conservative"?

Postby Tom Palven » Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:31 am

Stacy Herbert and her husband Max Keiser are reporters for Russia Today, are socialist with regard to government programs, and regard Trump as an ignoramus, but are strongly anti-war, and pro-gold, just as Lew Rockwell is, who is regarded as libertarian.

What gives here?
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Re: "Liberal" vs "Conservative"?

Postby Flash » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:47 pm

I didn't know Stacy and Max were married!
I watch the Keiser Report on RT all the time. It's a great show.
I also think that Max Keiser is beyond the political classification, you know, socialist, right wing, left wing, etc.
He does his own thing and with lots of humor too. ;)
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Re: "Liberal" vs "Conservative"?

Postby Lance Kennedy » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:45 am

I don't watch RT for the same reason, but opposite, for why I don't watch Fox.

They are quite subtle about how they slip in the propaganda, but of the occasions I have taken a look, it was there.

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Re: "Liberal" vs "Conservative"?

Postby Flash » Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:02 am

Yes, when RT points out how the people are lied to by the politicians, corporations and their media that's propaganda but it is true.
The point being that the RT and the other independent internet publications cover stuff that the corporate media either avoids or lies about. That's anti-corporate and anti establishment propaganda but it's true.

Also, if it wasn't for the RT and the independent internet publications a lot of whistle blowers and dissenting voices in North America would not be seen or heard. A great many of these people have real expertise in foreign affairs, politics in general, intelligence apparatus, corporate destruction of the environment, government corruption, etc.

All of these independent voices add up and show us something what the corporate media avoids like a plague, the truth about destruction of the environment for profits, destruction of our way of life, destruction of the democracy itself and finally the numbing and the destruction of the people themselves.

You just compare what the corporate media and their thousands of obedient bot experts are spewing out to the stuff that is covered by the alternative media and you will see the difference.
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Re: "Liberal" vs "Conservative"?

Postby Lance Kennedy » Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:02 am

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There are numerous news services. I sometimes watch Al Jazeera or the BBC, which give a different view to American news. However, RT is definitely a form of subtle propaganda.

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Postby Fab Yolis » Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:49 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:Flash

There are numerous news services. I sometimes watch Al Jazeera or the BBC, which give a different view to American news. However, RT is definitely a form of subtle propaganda.


Whereas Al Jazeera and BBC are blatant forms of propaganda.
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Re: "Liberal" vs "Conservative"?

Postby Tom Palven » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:02 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:Flash

There are numerous news services. I sometimes watch Al Jazeera or the BBC, which give a different view to American news. However, RT is definitely a form of subtle propaganda.


Yes, RT does at least have a different slant.

BTW, Spiked News is the only organization, news source or otherwise, that I am aware of, that endorses Voltaire's view that "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
http://www.spiked-online.com/freespeechnow

Even so-called "libertarian" sites on line and elsewhere, as far as I can tell, endorse various copyright and libel laws with governments as the final arbitrator, even if they are not in favor of imprisoning Julian Assange or executing Edward Snowden.
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Postby gorgeous » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:08 pm

all news broadcasts are propaganda...the liberal media supported Hillary.....
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Postby gorgeous » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:18 pm

Gayle King of CBS morning show just got back from a vacation with her pals the Obamas...many at CBS were livid ....
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:46 pm

gorgeous wrote:all news broadcasts are propaganda...the liberal media supported Hillary.....


By which, I guess you supported Trump. That figures. Irrational on paranormal = irrational in politics.

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Postby OlegTheBatty » Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:50 pm

All news sources are biased. It is not a problem that can be addressed directly. All news media must select which stories to tell - there are too many to tell them all. They must also select a paradigm in which to tell the stories, thereby injecting another bias.

The best way of addressing the problem is to get news from a variety of sources. Each one's propaganda stands in counterpoint to the propaganda of others. Even when you can't tell which one is the most 'truthful', you can at least see more than one side of the story.
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Re: "Liberal" vs "Conservative"?

Postby gorgeous » Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:40 pm

I did not vote...just liked how Trump crushed Hillary and liberals...
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:25 am

gorgeous wrote:all news broadcasts are propaganda...the liberal media supported Hillary.....
Lance Kennedy wrote:By which, I guess you supported Trump. That figures.
Gorgeous was the second largest "pro Trump" propaganda spammer on the forum, after VKTW. However it backfired as most of it was complete rubbish about "remote viewers" seeing Trump as the strongman in the Whitehouse and crap like that.

gorgeous previously wrote:...a remote viewer saw mobs going through barriers and tear gas used at the inauguration of Trump....and what seems to be the British lizard queen wandering the halls with dementia
gorgeous previously wrote:Remote viewer sees Trump will finish first term as president.
gorgeous previously wrote:Donald Trump 'tailed by UFO' in chopper during Presidential election ...
gorgeous previously wrote:Trump proved all the great intellectual pundits wrong.
gorgeous previously wrote:I don't know if Trump is illum...he is related to Hillary and Obama...and they are related to Princess Diana, Madonna, Marilyn Monroe




The irony is, Gorgeous claims "the government" is keeping "Area 51", "Alien contact" "Sandy Hook" and so on "secret" and yet Trump, as president, hasn't rung Gorgeous up to tell him all about the aliens.

So "idiots" don't vote?
gorgeous wrote: I didn't vote
gorgeous four weeks ago wrote:it was a liberal march...most probably never voted ...especially the idiot celebrities...

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Postby gorgeous » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:49 am

remote viewers saw Trump will finish his term...there were protestors at the inaug...
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:22 am

gorgeous wrote:remote viewers saw Trump will finish his term...there were protestors at the inaug...

Do you mean the protesters announced they were going to protest the inauguration and then, magically, your remote viewer saw protesters at the inauguration?

Amazing prediction skills your remote viewers have isn't it? Lucky they changed their mind about what they "remote viewed"
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Re: "Liberal" vs "Conservative"?

Postby Tom Palven » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:09 am

OlegTheBatty wrote:All news sources are biased. It is not a problem that can be addressed directly. All news media must select which stories to tell - there are too many to tell them all. They must also select a paradigm in which to tell the stories, thereby injecting another bias.

The best way of addressing the problem is to get news from a variety of sources. Each one's propaganda stands in counterpoint to the propaganda of others. Even when you can't tell which one is the most 'truthful', you can at least see more than one side of the story.


I agree with you, but also think that we can select certain reporters that we trust.

For example, neither Eric Margolis, Glenn Greenwald at The Intercept, nor Matt Taibbi at Rolling Stone told us BS about "yellow cake uranium," "weapons of mass destruction," Saddam Hussein's forces "pulling babies out of incubators" at hospitals in Kuwait, and other nonsense that the CIA/State Dept. dreamed up and AP "reporters" duly parroted.
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Re: "Liberal" vs "Conservative"?

Postby Lance Kennedy » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:10 pm

I think the reality is that ordinary people cannot be sure of any news source. All we can do is be alert for obvious untruths, and select our sources accordingly.

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Postby Tom Palven » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:56 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:I think the reality is that ordinary people cannot be sure of any news source. All we can do is be alert for obvious untruths, and select our sources accordingly.


The other morning I was reading The Florida Times-Union, Jacksonville, and said "Yep" when I looked at the byline, and told my wife I knew that the article I was reading couldn't be from the Associated Press, which the bulk of the articles in the Times-Union are.

The article reported 140 dead on an Afghan military base "in a stunning blow to the Western-backed war effort."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/at ... 6b6fa52483

I looked on line to see if the AP covered that story and may have missed it, but in any case I didn't find anything.

Can the media lie by omission in addition to "obvious untruths" which may not be so obvious to everyone?
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Re: "Liberal" vs "Conservative"?

Postby Flash » Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:27 am

OlegTheBatty wrote:
All news sources are biased. It is not a problem that can be addressed directly. All news media must select which stories to tell - there are too many to tell them all. They must also select a paradigm in which to tell the stories, thereby injecting another bias.

Sure, it's the problem that can be addressed directly. Make the media more competitive by breaking up the huge media conglomerates, making sure that the owners don't use the media outlet to pursue their own political and personal agenda and firing the editors and the reporters who who get paid by the intelligence, government and private agencies to plant the biased and manipulative news items and articles.

Tom remembers the stories about Saddam Hussein's troops throwing the babies out of their incubators in Kuwait. Remember the stories in our media about that evil guy Slobodan Milosevich who was supposedly guilty of genocide in Kosovo? Well, no bodies have ever been found and the Hague Court of Justice announced recently that he was not guilty of a genocide at all.

How about stories about Kim Jon Un executing his uncle with a large caliber artillery pieces or being ripped apart by dogs or Hugo Chavez killing his enemies in Venezuela or decades of BS stories about Fidel Castro.


The best way of addressing the problem is to get news from a variety of sources. Each one's propaganda stands in counterpoint to the propaganda of others. Even when you can't tell which one is the most 'truthful', you can at least see more than one side of the story.

Yes, the variety of sources is a great idea although if you go from CNN to MSNBC to CBS to Fox you won't be getting a balanced view any time soon.

And although it is true that one propaganda tries to counter the opposite propaganda it's the lies and outright BS that is spread by the Western governments and their agencies that should concern us all. They lie to us all the time even when they don't have to. Remember the capture of American commandos in the Iranian waters? We got several stories explaining that, everything from broken motor, faulty navigation system to awful weather.

I won't even mention the Gulf of Tonkin incident or the uranium yellow cake, or staged crowd enthusiasm when the statue of Saddam was pulled down. How about the story about the carrier task force supposedly heading to North Korea when it was actually seen sailing in the opposite direction?

Now of course, the politically correct story in the corporate media is about how ordinary Americans and the economy are going to benefit from Trump's tax reforms. We will see of course, but just as a precaution watch Trump's nose grow.
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Re: "Liberal" vs "Conservative"?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:00 am

Tom Palven wrote:Can the media lie by omission in addition to "obvious untruths" which may not be so obvious to everyone?
Yep. It's the traditional method of national state controlled propaganda. Unlike active false propaganda, which can be debunked as untruthful, the absence of a story leaves nothing to dispute.

Concerning, the old style UK "D-Notice" (Defence of the Realm notification), the Home office could strongly suggest a publisher does not publish a news story. The government could threaten to withdraw government advertising from that publisher or alternatively, give breaking news stories first to that same publisher.

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Postby OlegTheBatty » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:26 pm

Flash wrote:es, the variety of sources is a great idea although if you go from CNN to MSNBC to CBS to Fox you won't be getting a balanced view any time soon.


Oh, are those news sources?

I guess they are for stories of babies falling down wells . . .
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Postby Tom Palven » Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:24 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Flash wrote:es, the variety of sources is a great idea although if you go from CNN to MSNBC to CBS to Fox you won't be getting a balanced view any time soon.


Oh, are those news sources?

I guess they are for stories of babies falling down wells . . .


No, it's all about sexual harassment and sexual trafficking and bathrooms.

You're thinking of Lassie.
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Tom Palven wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Flash wrote:es, the variety of sources is a great idea although if you go from CNN to MSNBC to CBS to Fox you won't be getting a balanced view any time soon.


Oh, are those news sources?

I guess they are for stories of babies falling down wells . . .


No, it's all about sexual harassment and sexual trafficking and bathrooms.

You're thinking of Lassie.

No, I think her name was Baby Jessica.
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Postby Tom Palven » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:14 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Flash wrote:es, the variety of sources is a great idea although if you go from CNN to MSNBC to CBS to Fox you won't be getting a balanced view any time soon.


Oh, are those news sources?

I guess they are for stories of babies falling down wells . . .


No, it's all about sexual harassment and sexual trafficking and bathrooms.

You're thinking of Lassie.

No, I think her name was Baby Jessica.


Ah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_McClure

I have only the vaguest recollection of Baby Jessica, who apparently just turned 31.

Maybe we'll hear more about her if she's like most folks, who I gather are being harassed, sexually and otherwise, and will get her five minutes to tell all.
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Postby Flash » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:29 am

Falling down the well was the best thing that could happen to Baby Jessica. Just look at the number of entries in Google.
Searches related to baby jessica
baby jessica movie
jessica mcclure parents
baby jessica adoption
baby jessica well diagram
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baby jessica rescue video
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Is this Jessica Marple?
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