"Dollarocracy"----Just blew my Mind.

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"Dollarocracy"----Just blew my Mind.

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:43 am

Just watched Pirate TV. Robert McChesney and John Nichols re Dollarocracy first shown in 2013 but it is even more relevant today...not that 3 years is much of a gap. Things have changed.................gotten worse.

I almost posted this to continue the Skimming Economy because that is what the authors talk about in this speech. The book I think from its squib is more about elections and money: "Fresh from the first $10 billion election campaign, two award-winning authors show how unbridled campaign spending defines our politics and, failing a dramatic intervention, signals the end of our democracy." https://www.amazon.com/Dollarocracy-Ele ... 1568587074

They talk about how the Already Too Rich in conjunction with robots/AI, a quiet media, and a bought political class are destroying america. They talk about "real" jobs being taken away and the profits continuously being shoved to the top .01%. We cheer "disruptive technologies" without grasping exactly what is being disrupted: OUR VERY LIVES. The two examples: Uber and AirBNB.

Course....the solution is a change in how the fruits of a capitalistic society are distributed...big changes in LAW and mindset. Its coming though as the Trump and Sanders insurgency shows. The kiddies saddled with a life time debt for an education that qualifies them to be unemployed KNOW THIS.

Also talked about Roosevelts Second Bill of Rights....the kind of Democratic Socialism that Bernie Sanders claims for himself. Not adopted here in USA...but it was forced on Germany and Japan. Guess what two countries are voted highest in social justice and fairness?

Ha. ha...........its all right in front of us. All we have to do is.................................... look.
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Postby TJrandom » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:34 pm

Thanks for that - I had never heard of Roosevelt`s Second Bill of Rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:28 am

Yes, I'm embarassed to say I had not either......unless........we have as the GI Bill for Education and the GI Bill for Home Financing is still with us and part of that Second Bill of Rights that FDR was championing..but died before it could be passed....here in the USA.

People complain the gubment can't provide all these benefits "for free" failing to recognize we do raise enough money to do so but spend it elsewhere. Now....that can be said about any other expenditure desired....but do we really need a military larger than the next 16 nations combined?

Tomahawk missiles cost $1MM per copy and we dumped 500 of those in first day of ....Syria or Iraq, forget what was said.

How much $$$$ is WASTED on the war on drugs? An expense RATHER THAN a revenue?

How much $$$ could be raised by imposing a transaction/sales tax on transfer of stocks/shares/debenbures etc?

All the alternatives to Waste, Fraud, and Abuse can be thought of as "investments" or having other very positive benefits to society...yet they are considered only for a quick scoff and rejection. Truly.....the sheep are in control of the asylum.

You read the link Tj---so you already read some of this. I'm adding at the edges.
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Postby Paul Anthony » Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:48 am

Thanks to the "War on Drugs" we imprison more people than North Korea.
Thanks to the "War on Terror" we've killed more people than the terrorists have.
Thanks to the 50 year-old "War on Poverty" we've spent trillions of $$ but have just as many poor people.

We need to stop declaring war.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:28 am

PA==I agree. But as we are near opposites while both fiscal conservatives, I wonder what that agreement means?

I assume generalities could be constructed we both agree on............most to break down on the specifics?

So........here's a generality: Don't fight a war with tactics and strategies that have been a repeated failure in the past?

I assume we agree?

Course....the War on Poverty did work, is working........famously for those on Social Security? I assume you think it has failed to totally erase poverty? Was that ever the goal? When one approach fails, do you stop the war totally, or invade from a different direction?
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:29 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Tomahawk missiles cost $1M per copy and we dumped 500 of those in first day of ....Syria or Iraq, forget what was said.
Welcome to the US military doctrine from 1947 that has become entrenched. As long as no other country reaches the USA's economic production output, it remains the only country that can afford to do this. It does sort of make sense as a "peacetime" policy.

I'm not into conspiracies and industrial-military complex fantasies, but as an accountant, it would seem probable that USA weapons manufacturers would be tempted to submit and tender more complex and expensive weapons systems as this is what the Pentagon needs to maintain this doctrine.


In contrast, I studied the German 1943 "austere" (Entwicklung) versions of steam locomotives and proposed armoured fighting vehicles, to fundamentally reduce cost and simplify production. The Germans entered the war with the best high quality weapons for propaganda reasons and these weapons simply got destroyed (Mostly in 1943 in Kursk,and thus the change of German policy)

One military economic theory is that the USA does have its "toys" for show, but in a long and protracted war the USA will revert to mass production of austere (cheap) weapons after using up its massive reserves of older vehicles and weapons systems. This all came out when the conventional weapons treaties were being negotiated and a limit on tanks was set down. NATO thought Russia had 30,000 tanks in reserve. Russia actually had 120,000. Russia thought NATO had 15,000 tanks in reserve, NATO actually had 45,000. Currently the CFE treaty puts a ceiling of 20,000 tanks for both sides. For this reason we are seeing new tank designs being developed on both sides.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:37 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:I'm not into conspiracies and industrial-military complex fantasies, but as an accountant, it would seem probable that USA weapons manufacturers would be tempted to submit and tender more complex and expensive weapons systems as this is what the Pentagon needs to maintain this doctrine.

Thats only one arm of the tentacled beast. I certainly believe that wars are "encouraged" so that war material will get blown up and have to be replaced thus filling Arms Makers coffers. Not hard to imagine when we have a VP (Cheney) who is also an official of an Arms Provider....ummm...oil provider. close enough? ((HAH!!))

Foreign Aid. Sounds like food and medicine, clothing and school books? Its mostly weapons......and why have them if they aren't used???? And if you used them....why then you need some more.

Saudi Arabia: NOT investing for the next economy when Oil is irrelevant and silicone and green is all. Nope. Investing in high tech aircraft they can't maintain themselves.

The way of the world.
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:54 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Not hard to imagine when we have a VP (Cheney) who is also an official of an Arms Provider....ummm...oil provider.


I think I mention this before. For a tutorial, we had a older gentleman from Cambridge, who sat down and compared Halliburton and contemporary US private defence contractors to the English private armies in India in the 19th century.

The English still take the number one prize.....historically.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:22 am

Matt: if I understand/half imagine what you say....aren't the Americans in line for the prize? Having a private army takes second place to having a private corporation using the gubment's army to do their dirty work. Off books...all profit.

What am I missing?
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:49 am

bobbo_th_Pragmatist wrote: What am I missing?
England, since the English civil war, was not allowed to have a standing army, in England. ( A Lord may chose to raise a regiment of foot, or horse, if asked and commissioned by the king).

However, in India, which then included Pakistan and Burma, private British armies ran the whole country.

When the Crimean War broke out, the lion's share of regiments were brought back from India, with their own evolved command and control structures. They knew how to fight. The British High Command was made up of "in- bred" sons of Lords who had paid to buy their "commissions". They didn't have a clue how to fight.

The Crimean war was a disaster for Britain and they closed down the private armies, after that war. Meanwhile in the USA, the private armies were growing again.

(That's one reason my family lived in India in the 70's. Half the Indian army still thought it was British, yet India was aligned to the Soviet Union at the time. At the diplomatic compound in Kerala, an Indian chef would serve roast beef and British meals, with full table service, to "out of uniform" Czech and Polish Warsaw Pact officers, talking in the common language of Russian. Because we were Australian, we were "sort of British" but could be trusted as we weren't actually British. ) :lol:

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Postby Fab Yolis » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:38 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote: People complain the gubment can't provide all these benefits "for free" failing to recognize we do raise enough money to do so but spend it elsewhere. Now....that can be said about any other expenditure desired....but do we really need a military larger than the next 16 nations combined?


Why don't you ask those next 16 nations? I notice that most of them are US allies, and that most of them also hand out "free" goodies aplenty to their populace. But surely that's just a coincidence...

Tomahawk missiles cost $1MM per copy and we dumped 500 of those in first day of ....Syria or Iraq, forget what was said.

How much $$$$ is WASTED on the war on drugs? An expense RATHER THAN a revenue?

How much $$$ could be raised by imposing a transaction/sales tax on transfer of stocks/shares/debenbures etc?


Do you really think The Powers That Be don't realize this?? Our world is run and owned by psychopaths. One person's expense is always someone else's revenue.

All the alternatives to Waste, Fraud, and Abuse can be thought of as "investments" or having other very positive benefits to society...yet they are considered only for a quick scoff and rejection. Truly.....the sheep are in control of the asylum.


No, the sheep think they're in control of the asylum. Largely because they're sheep, see. It is the wolves in sheep's clothing that are really in control of this asylum.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:54 am

VKTW: I was thinking the voters control the asylum....but I take your point. I'll work on my slurs.
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Postby Fab Yolis » Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:14 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:VKTW: I was thinking the voters control the asylum



:lol:

And who controls the voters? Also, who counts the votes?
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Postby Frank Hoffman » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:12 am

Along the same lines: a few days ago I saw in our local paper two articles. One article was about the Opioid epidemic; the misused opium-based prescription drugs and heroin (combined) have recently overtaken cocaine as the drug-of-choice in the US. Another article stated that 94% of all opium is produced in Afghanistan. I am sure that some of the pharmaceutical opioids are chemically manufactured, but if not, I wonder who it is the pharmaceutical companies are buying their raw drug from?


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