An Ecologist’s Plea to Dr. Terry Hughes: The Public Needs Robust Science Regards Coral Bleaching, Not Fearmongering!

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Postby Jim Steele » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:17 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:mild?


ROTFLMAO

You cherrypick the word mild, then blather on to cover up your total ignorance about bleaching and coral, further demonstrating your incompetence.

As I said, if there is no mortality bleaching is not a problem. If bleaching induced mortality is not above the background rate of 6%, the bleaching may be extensive or severe area-wise, but still be considered mild.

Read the scientific paper that is the subject of the link GAWD posted ((with the bogus summary! bleaching on WA is global?).

Then tell me what percentage of coral died in their study on WA. Then we can discuss the meaning of mild... and perhaps you will learn something.
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Re: An Ecologist’s Plea to Dr. Terry Hughes: The Public Needs Robust Science Regards Coral Bleaching, Not Fearmongering!

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:32 am

The concern is severe bleaching in successive years that eventually lead to coral deaths. Mild bleaching then can be an early warning signal to pay attention which is what is being done. Corals bleach for many reasons but one of them of concern is warming oceans. Even if corals can reestablish themselves in 10-20-30 years the issue IS NOT THE CORALS===>but the warming seas.

You can ignore and obfuscate early warning signs..........but the rest of the scientific community is not so easily misled.
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Re: An Ecologist’s Plea to Dr. Terry Hughes: The Public Needs Robust Science Regards Coral Bleaching, Not Fearmongering!

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:12 am

Can corals adapt to climate change?
Corals can persist if nations control emissions
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November 1, 2017
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University of California - Davis
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Cool-water corals can adapt to a slightly warmer ocean, but only if global greenhouse gas emissions are reduced, a study has found. Some corals in the normally cool waters of the Cook Islands carry genetic variants that predispose them to heat tolerance. This could help the population adapt more quickly to rising temperatures. But they may not adapt quickly enough to outpace climate change.

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Re: An Ecologist’s Plea to Dr. Terry Hughes: The Public Needs Robust Science Regards Coral Bleaching, Not Fearmongering!

Postby Jim Steele » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:49 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Can corals adapt to climate change?
Corals can persist if nations control emissions



Sorry but their climate speculation is based on obfuscating partial data and dubious modeling. But that gets headlines and feeds the climate alarmists' paranoia

First their climate modeling is wrong for Rarotonga where temperatures are now lower than they were in the 1800s.

Second they only discuss the slow adaptation that is associated with mendelian genetics and Darwinian evolution. Their study did examine the effect of symbiont shuffling and admitted that was another component, The key to coral survival is their symbionts.

Another potential component in coral thermal tolerance is the role of the algal symbiont (genus Symbiodinium) (37, 38). Future studies could pair our model for host adaptation with local acquisition of adapted symbionts and the potential for symbiont shuffling in response to increased temperatures (39).


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Re: An Ecologist’s Plea to Dr. Terry Hughes: The Public Needs Robust Science Regards Coral Bleaching, Not Fearmongering!

Postby Jim Steele » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:57 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote: You can ignore and obfuscate early warning signs.


ROTFLMAO. The early warning signs are coral have undergone mild bleaching every summer for millions of years, and suffer periodic bouts of mortality mostly associated with El Nino events. Coral already adapted to the constant destruction wrought by cyclones millions of years ago, which are the main cause of mortality, The science shows bleaching is a minor player. Only the fear mongering scientists like Hughes suggest otherwise

Bobbo your blather seems to obfuscate the issue at hand. What was the mortality rate from warmth in the WA study?

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:18 pm

JS==do corals bleach if they get too hot water for too long a time?
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Re: An Ecologist’s Plea to Dr. Terry Hughes: The Public Needs Robust Science Regards Coral Bleaching, Not Fearmongering!

Postby Jim Steele » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:22 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:JS==do corals bleach if they get too hot water for too long a time?



Bleaching is not the problem. Mortality is. Why do you refuse to answer the question at hand. What was the mortality rate listed in the climate fear mongering paper about WA bleaching?

Typical boobo obfuscation.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:38 pm

As usual, we are talking past each other. Again: the import of coral bleaching is that it is an indicator of ocean warming and sets an early warning that if the ocean continues to warm, the corals are at risk. Whether they die out or change algae species isn't the issue. Its AGW.
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Re: An Ecologist’s Plea to Dr. Terry Hughes: The Public Needs Robust Science Regards Coral Bleaching, Not Fearmongering!

Postby Jim Steele » Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:07 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:As usual, we are talking past each other. .



No as usual YOU are dodging the real issues and trying to redirect the discussion.

Again you transparently refuse to answer the question. So again answer the question weasel man! What was the mortality rate in the WA study. No mortality no harm.

I see no mortality in that study but mucho fear mongering trying to manufacture a misconception that bleaching was deadly

Bleaching is NOT an indicator of climate change. It is a weather phenomenon.

Bleaching is not indicator of coral fragility. It is part of their adaptation dynamics.

Bleaching is simply a symptom of symbiont adjustments. No mortality no harm.

You are totally ignorant of coral biology, trying to use bleaching to fear monger Global Warming hype! So despicable!
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:51 am

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Postby Jim Steele » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:31 am

Standard Boobo, Still ducking the important questions
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