Getting Rid of the 30s and 40s Warm Blips

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Re: Getting Rid of the 30s and 40s Warm Blips

Post by Jim Steele » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:39 am

You fail to refute the science preferring to engage in more hate. If you think I am wrong, then show specifically what is incorrect and avoid your hateful attempts at character assassinations

To repeat:

All honest scientists who read all the literature, as I do , readily see there is a TON of EVIDENCE contradicting claims of accelerating temperatures. Unlike you I have and again will provide links.

I became a skeptic because my restoration work in the Sierra Nevada revealed maximum temperatures in most of California had not exceeded the 1930s. Maximum temperatures at Yosemite as reported by the US Historical Climate network illustrate this and guided my research. http://landscapesandcycles.net/image/73 ... 90x294.png

Likewise several researchers report a "warming hole" in the eastern USA . Read Mechanisms Contributing to the Warming Hole and the Consequent U.S. East–West Differential of Heat Extremes. https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10 ... 11-00655.1

All the data from Lansner and Pederson (2018) shown in the graphs earlier in this thread illustrate NO acceleration across the globe! http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10. ... lCode=eaea

Greenland instrumental data show no acceleration. Read Chylek (2005) Greenland warming of 1920–1930 and 1995–2005. https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com ... 06GL026510

Melting of Swiss glaciers was greatest in the 1940s. Read Huss (2009) Strong Alpine glacier melt in the 1940s due to enhanced solar . https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com ... 09GL040789

East Antarctica shows no warming trend as illustrated by the Antarctic Surveys stations such as Dumont D'urville https://goo.gl/FUpBqy. or https://goo.gl/qYJvRB

The Antarctic Peninsula that was once paraded as the canary in the climate change coal mine for its rapid warming in the 1990s has now shown no warming since! Read Turner (2016) Absence of 21st century warming on Antarctic Peninsula consistent with natural variability

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature18645

Please Lance, put aside your hatred and provide links to the scientific papers that you believe rebut this data! And then lets engage in respectful scientific debate!
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Re: Getting Rid of the 30s and 40s Warm Blips

Post by Lance Kennedy » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:32 am

I have seen this kind of thing before. Local variations. The question you should ask is why it fails to convince climatologists. The answer is because the big picture does not show stable temperatures. Local exceptions to the rule do not obviate the rule, which the experts realise.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/gl ... mperature/

Look at the graph in the reference above. NASA reports that, with the exception of 1998, 17 out of 18 of the warmest years in that entire record occurred after 2001. As I said earlier, 1998 was a severe El Nino year, and very warm.

NASA does not believe temperatures are stable, and frankly, I believe NASA much more than I believe you.

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Re: Getting Rid of the 30s and 40s Warm Blips

Post by Jim Steele » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:53 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:I have seen this kind of thing before. Local variations. The question you should ask is why it fails to convince climatologists. The answer is because the big picture does not show stable temperatures. Local exceptions to the rule do not obviate the rule, which the experts realise.
You are again avoiding real data and dismissing it with mumble jumble.

Again here's the real data that you deny

Maximum temperatures at Yosemite as reported by the US Historical Climate network illustrate this and guided my research. http://landscapesandcycles.net/image/73 ... 90x294.png

Likewise several researchers report a "warming hole" in the eastern USA . Read Mechanisms Contributing to the Warming Hole and the Consequent U.S. East–West Differential of Heat Extremes. https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10 ... 11-00655.1

All the data from Lansner and Pederson (2018) shown in the graphs earlier in this thread illustrate NO acceleration across the globe! http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10. ... lCode=eaea

Greenland instrumental data show no acceleration. Read Chylek (2005) Greenland warming of 1920–1930 and 1995–2005. https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com ... 06GL026510

Melting of Swiss glaciers was greatest in the 1940s. Read Huss (2009) Strong Alpine glacier melt in the 1940s due to enhanced solar . https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com ... 09GL040789

East Antarctica shows no warming trend as illustrated by the Antarctic Surveys stations such as Dumont D'urville https://goo.gl/FUpBqy. or https://goo.gl/qYJvRB

The Antarctic Peninsula that was once paraded as the canary in the climate change coal mine for its rapid warming in the 1990s has now shown no warming since! Read Turner (2016) Absence of 21st century warming on Antarctic Peninsula consistent with natural variability

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature18645
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Re: Getting Rid of the 30s and 40s Warm Blips

Post by Lance Kennedy » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:20 am

Again you offer limited local examples as if they represented the world. They do not.

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Re: Getting Rid of the 30s and 40s Warm Blips

Post by Gord » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:18 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:And again, why do you think that you, a biologist, can be more expert in this field than 97% of the fully trained and experienced publishing climate scientists ?
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Re: Getting Rid of the 30s and 40s Warm Blips

Post by Jim Steele » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:53 am

Gord wrote:
Lance Kennedy wrote:And again, why do you think that you, a biologist, can be more expert in this field than 97% of the fully trained and experienced publishing climate scientists ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E ... ger_effect
ROTFLMAO

More dishonest deflections that are so typical for trolls from the alarmist trill factories

There is NO 97% that has ever claimed that the warm peaks in the 1930s and 40s never existed!

I have provided a multitude of peer-reviewed data showing original data showing peak temperature in the the 1930s. But the alarmists have never provided any evidence whatsoever to refute that data! All the alarmists can do is provide graphs from "adjusted data"!
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Re: Getting Rid of the 30s and 40s Warm Blips

Post by Jim Steele » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:53 am

Gord wrote:
Lance Kennedy wrote:And again, why do you think that you, a biologist, can be more expert in this field than 97% of the fully trained and experienced publishing climate scientists ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E ... ger_effect
ROTFLMAO

More dishonest deflections that are so typical for trolls from the alarmist trill factories

There is NO 97% that has ever claimed that the warm peaks in the 1930s and 40s never existed!

I have provided a multitude of peer-reviewed data showing original data showing peak temperature in the the 1930s. But the alarmists have never provided any evidence whatsoever to refute that data! All the alarmists can do is provide graphs from "adjusted data"!
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Re: Getting Rid of the 30s and 40s Warm Blips

Post by Lance Kennedy » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:00 am

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Blips in earlier years are not the issue. You fail to mention the other one, the big blip in 1998. So what ? The temperature trend is not a smooth curve. There is a gradual transition from cooler to warmer, but with smaller ups and downs. There is noise over the signal. No climatologist is going to deny the fact that the increase in temperature includes blips up and down . But no climatologist is going to accept any suggestion that there is no steady growth in temperature underneath those blips. Nor is any climatologist going to accept any suggestion that the prime cause of temperature increase is not human activity.

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Re: Getting Rid of the 30s and 40s Warm Blips

Post by Jim Steele » Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:04 am

Lance Kennedy wrote: no climatologist is going to accept any suggestion that there is no steady growth in temperature underneath those blips. Nor is any climatologist going to accept any suggestion that the prime cause of temperature increase is not human activity.
ROTFLMAO

Indeed alarmist climatologists could not accept reality. So they adjusted the data as they conspired to do as illustrated in their emails!
From: Tom Wigley <wigley@ucar.edu>
To: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
Subject: 1940s
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:25:38 -0600
Cc: Ben Santer <santer1@llnl.gov>

"Phil, Here are some speculations on correcting SSTs to partly explain the 1940s warming blip. If you look at the attached plot you will see that the land also shows the 1940s blip (as I'm sure you know). So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say, 0.15 degC, then this would be significant for the global mean -- but we'd still have to explain the land blip.

I've chosen 0.15 here deliberately. This still leaves an ocean blip, and i think one needs to have some form of ocean blip to explain the land blip (via either some common forcing, or ocean forcing land, or vice versa, or all of these). When you look at other blips, the land blips are 1.5 to 2 times (roughly) the ocean blips -- higher sensitivity plus thermal inertia effects. My 0.15 adjustment leaves things consistent with this, so you can see where I am coming from. Removing ENSO does not affect this. It would be good to remove at least part of the 1940s blip, but we are still left with "why the blip".
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Re: Getting Rid of the 30s and 40s Warm Blips

Post by Lance Kennedy » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:00 am

Jim

Your post is simple bull-{!#%@}.

Blips in temperature, up or down are normal and meaningless.

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Re: Getting Rid of the 30s and 40s Warm Blips

Post by Jim Steele » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:48 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:Jim

Your post is simple bull-{!#%@}.

Blips in temperature, up or down are normal and meaningless.
I thought you were the type of guy who was OK with manipulating data if it fits your theory
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Re: Getting Rid of the 30s and 40s Warm Blips

Post by Lance Kennedy » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:19 pm

It is not manipulating data. it is the simple principle of noise across the signal. A good scientist looks beneath the noise to the signal.

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Here is an interesting report on oil companies. Shell Oil realised back in 1988 that global warming is real and profound, and that Shell Oil contributed 4% to the warming. Despite that, well into the 1990's, Shell Oil claimed that global warming was not real. Despite this hypocrisy, to do them credit, they reversed that official approach well before other oil companies.

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Re: Getting Rid of the 30s and 40s Warm Blips

Post by Jim Steele » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:28 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:It is not manipulating data.

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Re: Getting Rid of the 30s and 40s Warm Blips

Post by Jim Steele » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:09 am

The warm blip is everywhere science looks! Why was it eliminated by scientists advocating CO2 theory?

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Re: Getting Rid of the 30s and 40s Warm Blips

Post by Lance Kennedy » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:59 pm

Warm and cold blips crop up often. Big deal. It is the underlying long term trend that counts, and this global trend is warming. More than 1 Celsius global average in the last century.

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Re: Getting Rid of the 30s and 40s Warm Blips

Post by Jim Steele » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:03 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:Warm and cold blips crop up often. Big deal. It is the underlying long term trend that counts, and this global trend is warming. More than 1 Celsius global average in the last century.
This comment is proof Lance you have no clue about climate change and you are just trolling again!
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