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Postby psychiatry is a scam » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:03 am

oceans melting Greenland
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Re: How much ice will Greenland gain this year?

Postby Jim Steele » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:57 pm

Psych,

I agree that basal melting of glaciers via ocean warming can be a major contributor to mass ice loss, although there is a debate and no consensus whether surface mass balance or basal melting is the dominant force. You are the first to show enough understanding of the climatic factors, to bring this up even though I chastized the alarmists for failing to discuss this part of the ice mass equation.

I have written two article that in part deal with Greenland melting via basal melting assuming the oceans were the dominant driver.

Read Will Greenland Begin Accumulating Ice in 2015 and Beyond. http://landscapesandcycles.net/Will-Gre ... yond-.html


And Why Vanishing Ice Is Likely All Natural? http://landscapesandcycles.net/-vanishi ... tural.html
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Re: How much ice will Greenland gain this year?

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:25 am

JIm Steele wrote:And Why Vanishing Ice Is Likely All Natural?

Great Question.

Premised on the notion that there is zero AGW....which is premised on co2 not being a green house gas.

but I know: prove where you have ever denied it.
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Re: How much ice will Greenland gain this year?

Postby Jim Steele » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:50 am

Bobbo you need to first show the quotes and links proving your baseless accusations that I have ever denied CO2 was a greenhouse gas, otherwise you are proving once again you are just an ugly liar who repeats the same bogus crap ad nauseum!
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Re: How much ice will Greenland gain this year?

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:46 pm

Jimbo: can't you think in any other way than the way you do?

Buy a dictionary and look up the word: premised.

Then tell us how any warming can "all natural" with AGW going on ALL THE TIME. Is that too subtle for you to parse out?
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Re: How much ice will Greenland gain this year?

Postby Jim Steele » Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:53 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Jimbo: can't you think in any other way than the way you do?


ROTFLMAO. Says the man who thinks we are all gonna a die due to rising CO2 and every aargument is premised on that blind belief.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Buy a dictionary and look up the word: premised.


Look up the words "stupid", "paranoid", "troll", and "liar".

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Then tell us how any warming can "all natural" with AGW going on ALL THE TIME. Is that too subtle for you to parse out?


Stupid logic argues that if a skeptic points out how natural climate dynamics can cause warming air temperatures or ice to melt, then the skeptic must not believe that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and thus it is justified to falsify the skeptics statements and fabricate comments the skeptic never uttered.

Stupid logic fails to understand the issue of climate sensitivity and the fact that natural dynamics can completely overwhelm any contribution from CO2, and that natural changes in the greenhouse gas, water vapor, has far greater impact.

Paranoid fools believe any statement, no matter how well supported, if it does not agree we are all going to die from rising CO2, then it must be fraudulent and designed to make the paranoid fool more vulnerable to the "undeniable" coming global catastrophe that he and past "end of the world" fanatics have been pointing out for centuries.
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Re: How much ice will Greenland gain this year?

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:40 am

Jimbo: after you look up what "premised" means.................then page back until you find "all."

Sensitivity is IRRELEVANT...if there is "any" AGW (ie: additional co2) THEN vanishing ice cannot be all natural. There is a component of the vanishing that is AGW.

Not only do you fail as a scientist, but you also fail as a student of simple English. Do you ever get laughed off stage?

EDIT: Just because I can feel your pain, here's a clue: a better phrasing of your defective argument would be: "Can the vanishing ice be accounted for entirely by natural causes?"--------and if we weren't currently in a cooling spell, the answer to that might more possibly be yes, BUT since we are warming and co2 is AGW===>its LOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for any currently vanishing ice to be caused solely by natural causes....because climate is not currently driven solely by natural causes.

You can't be more simple.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:41 pm

Ever notice that ANY variation from a straight line increase in global temps is sufficient to send some people into a tizzy about science being wrong? It certainly illustrates their ignorance of the process.
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Re: How much ice will Greenland gain this year?

Postby Jim Steele » Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:49 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Sensitivity is IRRELEVANT...if there is "any" AGW (ie: additional co2) THEN vanishing ice cannot be all natural.


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Re: How much ice will Greenland gain this year?

Postby Jim Steele » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:22 am

In addition to huge ice gains for Greenland, Arctic sea Ice has been increasing!

Just as I also predicted!

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Re: How much ice will Greenland gain this year?

Postby psychiatry is a scam » Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:11 am

just did a google search for --- cruise the nor

got a million hits
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Re: How much ice will Greenland gain this year?

Postby psychiatry is a scam » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:42 pm

JIm Steele wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Sensitivity is IRRELEVANT...if there is "any" AGW (ie: additional co2) THEN vanishing ice cannot be all natural.


Dietrich gives my reply

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this is really interesting - it should have its own forum or website .
I'm actually going thru this almost every day .
his use of the word - malice - I am frequently thinking about malicious intent of intelligent Christians .


I assumed he was a Nazi and eugenics champion . turns out he was a devout Christian .
bottom line - he hated stupid people like me .

interesting that he was too stupid to realize going back to Germany would be slow tortuous suicide.
guess he had no concept of how evil - intelligent normal people really are .

have to point out this was written when he was in prison ??? that would have had an influence on his writing .
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Re: How much ice will Greenland gain this year?

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:10 pm

Bonhoeffer is rather "famous." Should be on any short list of historical figures to know a little about.
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Re: How much ice will Greenland gain this year?

Postby Jim Steele » Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:32 am

Jim Steele wrote:
The melt season is over and Arctic sea ice begins it recovery, while Greenland continues to record record increases in surface mass gains!

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In addition rumor has it Bonhoeffer is famous for having a pet eunuch named boobo that inspired his essays.

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Re: How much ice will Greenland gain this year?

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How's the CTer today? Anything not stupid yet?
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Re: How much ice will Greenland gain this year?

Postby scrmbldggs » Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:40 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:How's the CTer today? Anything not stupid yet?

It's bouncing up and down so hard, it can't even quote/post properly because of the shaking.
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Re: How much ice will Greenland gain this year?

Postby Jim Steele » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:47 pm

Another day, and more unprecedented gains, as Greenland continues to record record increases in surface mass gains!
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