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Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby Jim Steele » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:54 pm

Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

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In the recently published peer reviewed paper,
"Coral Mortality Induced by the 2015–2016 El-Nin?o in Indonesia: The Effect Of Rapid Sea Level Fall by Ampou 2017, Indonesian biologists had reported that a drop in sea level had bleached the upper 15 cm of the reefs before temperatures had reached NOAA’s Coral Reef Watch bleaching thresholds. As discussed by Ampou 2017, the drop in sea level had likely been experienced throughout much of the Coral Triangle including the northern Great Barrier Reef (GBR), and then accelerated during the El Niño. They speculated sea level fall also contributed to the bleaching during the 1998 El Niño. Consistent with the effects of sea level fall, other researchers reported bleaching in the GBR was greatest near the surface then declined rapidly with depth. Indeed if falling sea level was the main diver in 2016’s reef mortalities, and this can be tested, then most catastrophic assertions made by Hughes 2017 would be invalid.


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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:20 am

Hey James: got a new smart phone and installed a "web tv" program. Ran it for the first time this morning and the third news item was your guest column on this subject. My own quick read was it was mostly a review of 2 other papers published by other authors? First I've read that the sea level was decreasing around the Great Barrier Reef....some combo of El Nino and something else? That El Nino is a bad Baby: lowers the water and warms it up...a double whammy for the corals.

As always.....just one aspect of AGW with only 45,307 more issues to identify, measure, trend...and add into the formula.

anyway................... congrats.
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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby psychiatry is a scam » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:38 am

falling sea level is close to being a fake news headline .

looking at the picture a honest story would say something like -
a combination of low tide and constant wind exposed coral in shallow water
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makes sense 2me , so it has 2be wrong .

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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby Jim Steele » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:15 am

psychiatry is a scam wrote:falling sea level is close to being a fake news headline


Clearly scam you reveal that you did not read the article. For decades sea level rose and coral grew accordingly. Then since 2010 sea level fell and then dropped even further during the El Nino leaving the coral at the surface high and dry during the midday sun.

Here is the Cains sea level chart

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I would conclude your criticism and denial of the falling sea level is the real fake news!
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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby Jim Steele » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:12 pm

Researchers have similarly attributed the die off of mangroves along the Gulf of Carpentaria in northern Australia to a month long drop of sea level of 20cm along with the warming effects of El Nino.

https://goo.gl/PP8Sgq

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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:01 pm

The drop in seal level should correct itself with the flora and fauna recovering. Not so with the ocean warming...and continuing sea level rise.

Zig and Zags. You need to include BOTH in your appreciation...and observe the trend lines.

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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby Jim Steele » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:04 am

Blaming zigs and zags on human CO2 is the pursuit of fools on a cooling planet

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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:28 am

WE'RE COOLING?!?!?!?!?!?!? OMG: we're all gonna die.

ALERT THE PRESS. GLOBAL WARMING, moreso than AGW, is a big huge Hoax!!!!!

Now.... who's to blame? Those money grubbing grant seeking scientists, or the Masons, the Illuminati, or the Bilderberger Group?................... assuming as always that Obama is behind it with his Kenyan ways.
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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby Jim Steele » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:41 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:WE'RE COOLING?!?!?!?!?!?!? OMG: we're all gonna die.

ALERT THE PRESS. GLOBAL WARMING, moreso than AGW, is a big huge Hoax!!!!!

Now.... who's to blame? Those money grubbing grant seeking scientists, or the Masons, the Illuminati, or the Bilderberger Group?................... assuming as always that Obama is behind it with his Kenyan ways.



Huhhh?????
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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:07 am

Don't look at me. YOU said the planet is cooling.........and outside of red herring animal pics, you aren't known for your humor.
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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby Jim Steele » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:03 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Don't look at me. YOU said the planet is cooling.........


No, no no! The Greenland data shows a cooling planet over the past 4000 years. The warm blips, or "zigs", are common road bumps in our cooling planet that frequently happened without CO2's influence. Prepare for more cooling "zags" The biosphere suffers greatly during cooling zags. Hope for more warming zigs.

Coral are more threatened the by ice ages that drop sea level and dramatically reduce habitat

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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:11 pm

JS: answer this as closely as you can: does Greenland data show a cooling Earth, or a cooling Greenland?

............similarly: if the sea level decreased by 10 meters....how much habitat would be lost to coral given they thrive in the 50 feet just below the surface?
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Postby Jim Steele » Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:45 am

So Bobbo, Why do climate scientists suggest Greenland's loss of ice reflects global warming????
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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:06 am

JIm Steele wrote:So Bobbo, Why do climate scientists suggest Greenland's loss of ice reflects global warming????

Because in the main they aren't climate scientists. They are more like you. Also ran wanna be's that are Agenda Driven to deny the science and when called on it, to deflect direct questions and never answer them.
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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby Jim Steele » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:45 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Because in the main they aren't climate scientists.


ROTFLMAO Bobbo who doesnt read scientific papers and admittedly doesnt understand them says climate scientists arent climate scientists. Only people who agree with Bobbo's end of the world are real scientists. ROTFLMAO

Bobbo , do you realize if trends in various regions are not indicative of global change, then there is no global trend?!?!? What gets averaged to create a global average.
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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:19 am

JIm Steele wrote:
Bobbo , do you realize if trends in various regions are not indicative of global change, then there is no global trend?!?!?

I can't tell which of the various disciplines you demonstrate this absolute failure in. Logic, basic English, mathematics? Very consistent with how you post though: don't know what an average or a trend is.


[quote="JIm Steele wrote:[quote="What gets averaged to create a global average.

Exactly.
And the answer is: ALL the area averages. NOT as you do, cherry picking the zigs and zags that meet your BS of the day.

If you can understand it, all you really need to do is "understand" your own argument.

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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby Jim Steele » Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:48 pm

To repeat the old joke: A man has his head stuck in the freezer and feet in the oven and is in great pain. The doctor examined him and said he is fine because on average his body temperature was perfect.

What bobbo and others fail to understand is the average can promote a woefully wrong diagnosis. The doctor needed to check regions but fools call that cherrypicking. The head was frozen for a different reason than the burning feet. LIkewise for climate. Different causes for the zigs and zags. To average the chimera of effects and then blame CO2 is a fools game that ignores reality.
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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:18 pm

No.

really: No.

but, you do reveal how you maintain your anti-science position. Lack of some of the basics. Informative how authoritative ignorance can dress itself.

Its called and is a "joke" for very definite reasons that you don't appreciate, even in its telling.

Totally revealed: Greenland temps do not "reflect" the Worlds Temp...THAT ARGUMENT is your oven joke with different words...same joke, same error.....even while your "explanation" actually applies..... you just fubar it.

OK....I'm satisfied.
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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby robinson » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:25 pm

Your blog entry mentioned and linked to here

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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby Jim Steele » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:00 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/apr/10/great-barrier-reef-terminal-stage-australia-scientists-despair-latest-coral-bleaching-data


There is a huge problem with Hughes' assertions. He says

“The significance of bleaching this year is that it’s back to back, so there’s been zero time for recovery,


However simply saying the GBR bleached twice is deceptive. In 2017 different regions, different reefs, different species within the same reef have bleached.Bleaching by itself is not a problem because many colonies return to normal in a matter of weeks. The key metrics are mortality and recovery. Most coral that bleached in 2016 have had ample time to recover. Furthermore Hughes has not separated the effects of the regional drop in sea level and local weather warming from any global speculative global warming effects.

Hughes'' own pHd students have shown that on reefs studied, recurrent bleaching resulted in less bleaching overtime as coral adapted by shifting and shuffling their symbionts.
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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:06 am

Take a look: https://www.google.com/search?q=great+b ... 76&bih=625

NOT what I want to see when I scuba.

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Re: Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching

Postby Jim Steele » Wed May 03, 2017 6:52 pm

The essay that is the subject of this post, Falling Sea Level The Critical Factor in 2016 Great Barrier Reef Bleaching, has been getting worldwide attention. Based simply on clicks to the essay on my website it has over 10,000 reads, which would underestimate total readers who read the essay on other websites. MIT's atmospheric scientist Richard Lindzen just mentioned this essay in his recent lecture causing another spike in readers of the essay. The blogospehre can reach so many more interested people as well as top scientists.
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