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Re: The Chelmno/Gas Van Thread/Lodz Ghetto

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:10 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Thanks for catching that whilst I looked at the photos! They missed both by a zillion. I will email WaPo - the numbers I have are IIRC ‘42 - ca 70,00 and ‘44 - ca 7,100 to Chelmno - I have to look up the Auschwitz number for ‘44.



USHMM lists 60,000 for August 1944:

https://www.ushmm.org/learn/timeline-of-events/1942-1945/liquidation-of-the-lodz-ghetto

65,000-67,000:
https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/lodz/statistics.htm

HEART has the same number:
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ghettos/Lodz/lodzghetto.html

60,000:
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/timeline.html#1944

In “Chelmno and the Holocaust” the number given is 54,500 and footnote is from “Chronicle.”

So, probably around 60,000. I don’t have “Chronicle” at home, it’s at work so I can’t confirm that number.
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Re: The Chelmno/Gas Van Thread/Lodz Ghetto

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:11 pm

I generally go with lower numbers.
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Re: The Chelmno/Gas Van Thread/Lodz Ghetto

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:26 pm

Here's what's in my notes:

Lodz Jews to Chelmno 1942 - 70,675
Lodz Jews to Chelmno 1944 - 7,186
Lodz Jews to Auschwitz 1944 - 70,067 est

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1942: Montague
1944 Chelmno: Montague
1944 Auschwitz: Strzelecki, Yad Vashem, JewishGen
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Re: The Chelmno/Gas Van Thread/Lodz Ghetto

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:31 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Here's what's in my notes:

Lodz Jews to Chelmno 1942 - 70,675
Lodz Jews to Chelmno 1944 - 7,186
Lodz Jews to Auschwitz 1944 - 70,067 est

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sources:
1942: Montague
1944 Chelmno: Montague
1944 Auschwitz: Strzelecki, Yad Vashem, JewishGen


Oops, you edited while I hunted.
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I saw the 70,067 but I think that’s total for the year, I focused on August of 1944 only. I think the 7,186 is a solid number for Chelmno.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:35 pm

That number is 9 August through 31 August 1944.

(True dat: I figured everyone was out having egg nog or glögg or otherwise :))
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Re: The Chelmno/Gas Van Thread/Lodz Ghetto

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:09 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:(True dat: I figured everyone was out having egg nog or glögg or otherwise :))


Yeah, if I tried glogg it would plant me solidly on my ass and I would sleep for about two days. I have to go back to work tomorrow.

As for egg nog, I love the stuff but it doesn’t fit into my diet..... :D
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Re: The Chelmno/Gas Van Thread/Lodz Ghetto

Postby Hans » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:03 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Here's what's in my notes:

Lodz Jews to Chelmno 1942 - 70,675
Lodz Jews to Chelmno 1944 - 7,186
Lodz Jews to Auschwitz 1944 - 70,067 est

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sources:
1942: Montague
1944 Chelmno: Montague
1944 Auschwitz: Strzelecki, Yad Vashem, JewishGen

For 1942, I posted the primary sources in Table 1 here.



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Re: The Chelmno/Gas Van Thread/Lodz Ghetto

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:32 am

Lol was just going to post this link!! Thanks Hans
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Re: The Chelmno/Gas Van Thread/Lodz Ghetto

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:36 pm

“Today I saw one of those places, saw it in all of its horror, all its filth, all its death.”
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