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Postby Upton_O_Goode » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:17 pm

So Bannon adopts the "follow the money" line in relation to his own church. That is (having learned well from Limbaugh that for his audience all you have to do is invent some unworthy motive for your opponent and you've won the argument), he says the bishops are just trying to keep the churches filled up with immigrants.

Nothing could show better what a hollow shell his "religion" is---all about esoteric doctrines like the Trinity, Immaculate Conception, Assumption, and the like, and the total absence of any social conscience that might have been included as doctrine at some point, if you looked hard enough in the historical writings of that church. According to him, he respects the bishops when it comes to "doctrine," but doctrine has nothing to do with social outreach. Yup, anybody would recognize that as Christianity, I'm sure.

Here is how the bishops responded to his crabbed view of what constitutes "doctrine."
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:54 pm

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:Current projected path of the hurricane:

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/storm-tracker/

Doesn't look like it will slide back out into the Atlantic but you never know.


Meanwhile, Katia is set to pile more misery on earthquake-devastated Mexico, and Jose may be bringing more trouble to various islands in the Atlantic, although it does appear to be veering off from the US mainland. But, as the map shows, it looks as if Florida gets to do the honors of stopping this juggernaut and passing it on to Georgia and Tennessee as a nasty storm.

I think Limbaugh was doing a gamble. If Irma does veer off, the son of a bitch will never shut up with his I-told-you-so. That's what he was banking on, but he has now flinched. I hope everybody in Florida gets off undamaged (not likely, at this point) EXCEPT him and Trump. I'd like to see the two of them washed out to sea.

Well the damned thing already hit, and caused havoc on, the islands: I guess islanders don't count in Limbaughland.
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Upton_O_Goode wrote:I'm rethinking this a bit. If there's a pile of {!#%@} nearby, you CAN predict where a fly will land. That applies to Trump as well.


:hmm: Was thinking in those same lines, but since that turd is floating in its own sewer, it's again a gamble... :-P
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Upton_O_Goode wrote:But it's foolish to predict what Trump will do based on what he says. You might as well try to predict where a fly will alight.

This week it is play nice with Dems to shove it to Ryan and McConnell. Fun for a few days, actually. But, you're 100% right, today's behavior is no predictor of tomorrow's.


I'm rethinking this a bit. If there's a pile of {!#%@} nearby, you CAN predict where a fly will land. That applies to Trump as well.

But this ignores the famous "several piles of {!#%@}" problem: on which one will the fly land?
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:53 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Healthcare "hero" McCain has thrown in with Trump on ACA repeal & replace, supporting Graham/Cassidy, which would dismantle ACA, turn healthcare over to the states, provide federal block-grant funding to the states, scrap most ACA mandates and protections, likely do away with Medicaid expansion, defund Planned Parenthood, and slash federal spending vs the status quo 16% over the next 2 years - and 33% by the mid-'20s.


So Trump will, after all, get a bill that formally destroys Obamacare. Unless one more Republican can be flipped.

Not sure about that. In fact, it's a big leap: "GOP senator: Bipartisan health care bill coming in 10 days".

My point wasn't to make a prediction but to try putting McCain's "heroism" into proper context.



That's a hopeful sign. Maybe even fix some of the problems with the ACA? Of course, such a bill would have to go back to the House. I don't think it would meet the criteria for "reconciliation." My guess is that the Tea Party won't let it pass in the House. At the very least, this puts a tire iron on the railroad tracks in front of the Repeal and Replace Train.

Don't know about hopeful . . . the Republicans will no doubt try to blackmail the Dems on the bipartisan bill (state waivers, flexibility on essential health benefits, etc): but all this makes a Graham/Cassidy a longer shot. I truly was trying to point out that McCain remains the despicable jerk he's always been, despite his "heroic" vote.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:10 pm

Charlie Dent has thrown in the towel, he won't run for re-election in PA:
I’ve fought to fulfill the basic functions of Government. . . . Regrettably, that has not been easy given the disruptive outside influences that profit from increased polarization and ideological rigidity that leads to dysfunction, disorder and chaos.
Nazism conspired to create a sense of festival time. . . . Tragically for humanity, the party generating it was the type not associated with the coloured costumes of the Brazilian Carnival, but with the brown-shirted thuggery of the NSDAP. The contrast between the dance and the march, between the samba and the strains of the Horst Wessel Lied, points to the gulf separating a life-asserting community from a community which exists only by creating a demonized other. - RG '97

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Charlie Dent has thrown in the towel, he won't run for re-election in PA:
I’ve fought to fulfill the basic functions of Government. . . . Regrettably, that has not been easy given the disruptive outside influences that profit from increased polarization and ideological rigidity that leads to dysfunction, disorder and chaos.


Yup, and that district went for Romney and Trump.

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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:52 pm

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:36 am

Hillary Clinton's What Happened book tour:

"Hillary Clinton Live . . . Join Hillary Rodham Clinton as she travels the United States this fall. She’ll connect with audiences . . ." in such places as -

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Might be a little late for her to visit Michigan and Wisconsin, but what the hey.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Hillary Clinton's What Happened book tour:

"Hillary Clinton Live . . . Join Hillary Rodham Clinton as she travels the United States this fall. She’ll connect with audiences . . ." in such places as -

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Might be a little late for her to visit Michigan and Wisconsin, but what the hey.


Maybe she and Bill would like spread a little of their "caring" around in the form of hurricane relief donations... Never mind, all their money is tied up in wealth... {!#%@}.

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Hillary Clinton's What Happened book tour:

"Hillary Clinton Live . . . Join Hillary Rodham Clinton as she travels the United States this fall. She’ll connect with audiences . . ." in such places as -

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Might be a little late for her to visit Michigan and Wisconsin, but what the hey.


Maybe she just found out where they are.

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..and wants to connect to?

Indeed, there is a kind of theater at work in which Trump’s presidency is pawned off as a product of the white working class as opposed to a product of an entire whiteness that includes the very authors doing the pawning.
(The Atlantic article in StatMech's post)
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:46 am

Breitbart on Trump & the GOP: The Nuclear Option: Trump’s Rebuke of Washington GOP Should Surprise No One:
Let’s review: Since the start of the year, President Trump has tried working with Republicans. He gave them a sterling, phenomenal Supreme Court justice. . . .

. . . Mr. Trump has been generous in explaining to Washington Republicans all the things that matter most to actual voters in America. He has worked strenuously to make good on the promises that got him — and many Republicans — elected last year.

For their part, Republicans refuse to hear Mr. Trump’s advice. They backstab him and leak fake stories to the fake media about his White House.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Upton_O_Goode wrote:But it's foolish to predict what Trump will do based on what he says. You might as well try to predict where a fly will alight.

This week it is play nice with Dems to shove it to Ryan and McConnell. Fun for a few days, actually. But, you're 100% right, today's behavior is no predictor of tomorrow's.


I'm rethinking this a bit. If there's a pile of {!#%@} nearby, you CAN predict where a fly will land. That applies to Trump as well.

But this ignores the famous "several piles of {!#%@}" problem: on which one will the fly land?



Hah! A new variant of the Buridan's Ass problem. We'll call it the Buridan's {!#%@} problem.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Don't know about hopeful . . . the Republicans will no doubt try to blackmail the Dems on the bipartisan bill (state waivers, flexibility on essential health benefits, etc): but all this makes a Graham/Cassidy a longer shot. I truly was trying to point out that McCain remains the despicable jerk he's always been, despite his "heroic" vote.


On that point I have no argument. He has a nasty temper, from all I've heard, and during the 2008 campaign was heard yelling at his wife and calling her a "stupid {!#%@}."
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Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:Don't know about hopeful . . . the Republicans will no doubt try to blackmail the Dems on the bipartisan bill (state waivers, flexibility on essential health benefits, etc): but all this makes a Graham/Cassidy a longer shot. I truly was trying to point out that McCain remains the despicable jerk he's always been, despite his "heroic" vote.


On that point I have no argument. He has a nasty temper, from all I've heard, and during the 2008 campaign was heard yelling at his wife and calling her a "stupid {!#%@}."

I did not know that but it doesn't surprise me!
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:Don't know about hopeful . . . the Republicans will no doubt try to blackmail the Dems on the bipartisan bill (state waivers, flexibility on essential health benefits, etc): but all this makes a Graham/Cassidy a longer shot. I truly was trying to point out that McCain remains the despicable jerk he's always been, despite his "heroic" vote.


On that point I have no argument. He has a nasty temper, from all I've heard, and during the 2008 campaign was heard yelling at his wife and calling her a "stupid {!#%@}."

I did not know that but it doesn't surprise me!



It's attested by reporters for several news agencies. (But it was during the 2000 campaign, and he didn't use the word "stupid." My memory betrayed me there.) Here is a complete rundown on his meltdowns. It's an appalling record, which makes his tut-tut over pussy grabbing sound like the hypocrisy it was.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Breitbart on Trump & the GOP: The Nuclear Option: Trump’s Rebuke of Washington GOP Should Surprise No One:
Let’s review: Since the start of the year, President Trump has tried working with Republicans. He gave them a sterling, phenomenal Supreme Court justice. . . .

. . . Mr. Trump has been generous in explaining to Washington Republicans all the things that matter most to actual voters in America. He has worked strenuously to make good on the promises that got him — and many Republicans — elected last year.

For their part, Republicans refuse to hear Mr. Trump’s advice. They backstab him and leak fake stories to the fake media about his White House.

:hmm: Which one of ours wrote that? Sounds like David with a touch of Moronstrous. :-P
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:51 pm

Ian. No doubt. {!#%@} right-wing Maoists.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Breitbart on Trump & the GOP: The Nuclear Option: Trump’s Rebuke of Washington GOP Should Surprise No One:
Let’s review: Since the start of the year, President Trump has tried working with Republicans. He gave them a sterling, phenomenal Supreme Court justice. . . .

. . . Mr. Trump has been generous in explaining to Washington Republicans all the things that matter most to actual voters in America. He has worked strenuously to make good on the promises that got him — and many Republicans — elected last year.

For their part, Republicans refuse to hear Mr. Trump’s advice. They backstab him and leak fake stories to the fake media about his White House.


I really can't get my head around the idea of Trump explaining things to anyone, about anything. He is far too incoherent for anything he says to be interpreted as an explanation. As for what matters to voters, well, only SOME voters. If you want 33% support, Trump's the man to get your advice from.
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'explaining': "on both sides, on both sides"


Also his twittering feed.
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Apologies to StatMech, but here's an important story from Rachel Maddow. I know one has to be very patient waiting for her to get to the point, but the point is a good one here: Facebook has finally admitted that it sold placement to a whole bunch of Russian trolls during the 2016 campaign, and, most important, they were carefully targeted. Now, WHO would know how to target the proper demographics here? Who held the laser beam on the target when the drones dropped their bombs? It would have to be someone who was part of the campaign's "digital" arm, and that would be....let's see...Jared Kushner! So, we can't haul Russian hackers into court, but if Kushner guided them to the target and that can be proved, he's in deep {!#%@}.
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scrmbldggs wrote:'explaining': "on both sides, on both sides"


Also his twittering feed.


Ah, you must mean this tweet. So, is he going to back the Lamar Alexander thing?
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Upton_O_Goode wrote:Apologies to StatMech, but here's an important story from Rachel Maddow. I know one has to be very patient waiting for her to get to the point, but the point is a good one here: Facebook has finally admitted that it sold placement to a whole bunch of Russian trolls during the 2016 campaign, and, most important, they were carefully targeted. Now, WHO would know how to target the proper demographics here? Who held the laser beam on the target when the drones dropped their bombs? It would have to be someone who was part of the campaign's "digital" arm, and that would be....let's see...Jared Kushner! So, we can't haul Russian hackers into court, but if Kushner guided them to the target and that can be proved, he's in deep {!#%@}.

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I see he wants Osteen to be reimbursed handsomely by FEMA for finally opening his doors during "god's compliment" after being shamed into assisting.
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Upton_O_Goode wrote:Apologies to StatMech, but here's an important story from Rachel Maddow. I know one has to be very patient waiting for her to get to the point, but the point is a good one here: Facebook has finally admitted that it sold placement to a whole bunch of Russian trolls during the 2016 campaign, and, most important, they were carefully targeted. Now, WHO would know how to target the proper demographics here? Who held the laser beam on the target when the drones dropped their bombs? It would have to be someone who was part of the campaign's "digital" arm, and that would be....let's see...Jared Kushner! So, we can't haul Russian hackers into court, but if Kushner guided them to the target and that can be proved, he's in deep {!#%@}.

And probably these guys.



Thanks for that reminder. These are BA-AD guys we're dealing with here. I hope Mueller is tough enough to hang in till the end. It's going to be a rough few months. And now Trump is trying desperately (I think) to curry favor with the MM. Don't let this work. Let the son of a bitch hang there, twisting slowly, slowly in the wind.
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Ted Cruz first used their methods during the primary, and his staff ended up concluding they had wasted their money.

Well, Teddy, maybe you paid them for your own doom. :lol:
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Offtopic: That site^ links to a story about Bolling being dumped from FAUX for his lewd behavior - and I just read his young son suddenly passed away. That's awful. My condolences to the family.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:49 pm

Funny story. As I've said, I used to live in Texas. I've made some caustic remarks about the state's politics, eh. So yesterday an old friend of mine from Texas was in Chicago and we met for lunch and catch-up.

We got to talking about Sweden - I'm seriously considering moving there, for at least part of each year - and inevitably Sweden's taxes came up, which led to Illinois/Chicago taxes as a point of comparison. My friend was shocked to hear that in Illinois we have state, county, and city sales taxes, special taxes on certain products, a county gasoline tax in addition to other gasoline taxes - real estate taxes as high as those in Texas - all on top of a state income tax. My friend chuckled and said, "We have it right in Texas, low taxes, low low low." I said, "Yeah, until Harvey slams you and all of a sudden you're all fans of Big Guvmint and begging us to bail you out with federal spending." He said, "I know, ain't it a bitch, we have it figured out, we pay diddly - and we get what we need from you all."

To re-visit that whole discussion . . . just one data point . . .
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:55 am

Dear Leader has braved the Irma winds and rushed to Florida to be on scene as the hurricane makes landfall. A dramatic photo of his landing near the southern tip of the peninsula as the storm intensifies:

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Upton_O_Goode wrote:Apologies to StatMech, but here's an important story from Rachel Maddow. I know one has to be very patient waiting for her to get to the point. . .

Ahem, the thing is that I had time to read all these articles on this topic whilst Maddow was basking in her neatness and working her way toward the point. Just sayin': . . .

Two recent columns that IMO reflect on even more troubling dimensions of, and the context for, this story:

"How Silicon Valley is erasing your individuality: The perils of monopoly"

"Facebook wins, democracy loses"

I never joined FB in part because, admittedly without much first-hand knowledge, it struck me as an advertising model applied to one's self: what would my life be like as an ad? Not interested, I never signed up. But I have managed to encounter bots and other aspects of the digital dark side in different ways. The monopoly problem is also an element of GAFA, of course, at this point arguably the most worrisome; Washington Monthly pounds on the dangers of monopoly power regularly, worth reading. The Democrats, with their close ties financially and via Clintonian-Obamian ideology to Silicon Valley, are positioned no better, and maybe worse, than Trump to take this challenge on.

(The irony that the first piece, decrying monopoly power of the tech giants, appears in WaPo, owned by 1/4 of GAFA, is not lost on me.)
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Funny story. As I've said, I used to live in Texas. I've made some caustic remarks about the state's politics, eh. So yesterday an old friend of mine from Texas was in Chicago and we met for lunch and catch-up.

We got to talking about Sweden - I'm seriously considering moving there, for at least part of each year - and inevitably Sweden's taxes came up, which led to Illinois/Chicago taxes as a point of comparison. My friend was shocked to hear that in Illinois we have state, county, and city sales taxes, special taxes on certain products, a county gasoline tax in addition to other gasoline taxes - real estate taxes as high as those in Texas - all on top of a state income tax. My friend chuckled and said, "We have it right in Texas, low taxes, low low low." I said, "Yeah, until Harvey slams you and all of a sudden you're all fans of Big Guvmint and begging us to bail you out with federal spending." He said, "I know, ain't it a bitch, we have it figured out, we pay diddly - and we get what we need from you all."

To re-visit that whole discussion . . . just one data point . . .


In fact, this is a good time to revisit that discussion:

Let's talk about who really deserves disaster relief. In that link, Alabama Republican Mo Brooks has very definite ideas about who deserves help:

Mo Brooks wrote:[Trumpcare] will allow insurance companies to require people who have higher health care costs to contribute more to the insurance pool that helps offset all these costs, thereby reducing the cost to those people who lead good lives, they’re healthy, they’ve done the things to keep their bodies healthy, and right now, those are the people who have done things the right way that are seeing their costs skyrocketing.


OK, Mr. Brooks. I'm one of those who did things the right way. I bought a house 30m above the surface of Lake Champlain, which in turn is 30m above sea level. We don't get storm surges where I live, earthquakes are rare here, and major earthquakes virtually unknown. Tornadoes are also practically unknown around here. I did things the right way. Why must I subsidize those feckless people who bought houses where wind and water and earthquakes threaten? What a great concept you've got there, Brooks! (I hope you don't have any beach front property on the Gulf Coast, by the way.) People who did it right and kept their bodies from developing brain tumors shouldn't have to subsidize those people who let cancer get them.

And then there is Paul Ryan, who is outraged that young healthy people have to buy insurance that is skewed toward old, sick people.

Paul Ryan wrote:[Under Obamacare, p]eople who are healthy are paying for people who are sick.


Oh, for sure, Paul. My house has never burned down. I've done it right, and I'm subsidizing all those people who have catastrophic fires at home. I've had only a few minor accidents in 60 years of driving. I'm subsidizing all those people who cause major crashes. Why am I required to buy insurance? Surely, the insurance companies could meet their obligations by just charging people for the accidents they cause.

So, let's say you are right, Paul. We need to force people to pay for their own health care in old age, whether they can afford it or not. Then people will maybe think about saving money when they are young to pay for their health care in old age. Here's a thought: Instead of relying on people to figure this out for themselves, why not just mandate that everybody buy insurance all the time? Then people will pay more than they collect, on the average, when they are young and collect more than they pay, on the average, when they are old. Or do you simply prefer punishing people?
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:25 pm

Ryan has long struggled with the concept of insurance.
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Postby Upton_O_Goode » Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:33 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:I never joined FB in part because, admittedly without much first-hand knowledge, it struck me as an advertising model applied to one's self: what would my life be like as an ad? Not interested, I never signed up. But I have managed to encounter bots and other aspects of the digital dark side in different ways. The monopoly problem is also an element of GAFA, of course, at this point arguably the most worrisome; Washington Monthly pounds on the dangers of monopoly power regularly, worth reading. The Democrats, with their close ties financially and via Clintonian-Obamian ideology to Silicon Valley, are positioned no better, and maybe worse, than Trump to take this challenge on.

(The irony that the first piece, decrying monopoly power of the tech giants, appears in WaPo, owned by 1/4 of GAFA, is not lost on me.)


Quite apart from the monopolistic problem, which I have no handle on but worry about, I've stayed away from Facebook because in this world of identity theft and reputation-destroying rumors, a low profile is very good protection. I'm amazed that so many people put their whole lives out to be looked at, and, from what I've read, frequently become depressed because they know what a false front they are projecting, but don't see what a false front other people are projecting on their Facebook pages.

For me, it's been bad enough that there was, for decades, a man living in this area whose first and last names were identical to mine, and he was a notorious deadbeat. On one occasion, I actually had to hire a lawyer to threaten people who were sending me dunning notices. This went on for about 20 years. Even with an unlisted telephone number, there was a period when I regularly got angry phone calls from people wanting to know about the bad credit cards they said I had used. Mercifully, that stopped about 25 years ago. Either the guy was sent away, or moved away, or died. I'm actually indifferent to which one it was.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:21 pm

Good point. Three anecdotes, related to that:
1) A good friend of mine had to delete her FB account when it attracted a stalker, who, it eventuated, had a criminal record and would not stop harassing my friend.
2) My father in law - this is a non-FB case - had also the same name as someone else in his town; he constantly got phone calls asking when the drugs would be in and where to meet, etc!
3) Especially for debating with neo-Nazis on the web, it is not a good idea to be known in that sense: at Rodoh (I've bitched about this probably 50 times), when he was a moderator, BROI posted what he presumed to be the employment information and contacts for a member using a pseudonym - at a time when Carmelo Lisciotto (later charged with assault in an unrelated situation) was stalking and threatening HC folks (this personal information was for an HC member) - that's why I quit Rodoh.

OTOH, like you, I post here under my real name. Safe space! :)
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:57 pm

because I've had it with Trump and it is always a good time for, er, classic surf guitar . . . Man or Astroman in their quiet, calm phase:

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Postby Upton_O_Goode » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:06 pm

Olbermann on Comey, again. Is the noose really getting this tight? What's in all these letters O keeps talking about? Are they public? I haven't seen any of them. Is Pence really in deep {!#%@} here? And what happens if we lose both President and Vice President to simultaneous impeachment? How can we impeach the President if the Vice President is also soon to face impeachment? Can't believe the Republicans would allow that, even if they developed a rudimentary conscience (which is also rather unlikely).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo0koTYc4zg
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