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David Irving Holocaust

Post by VFX » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:45 am

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Re: David Irving Holocaust

Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:03 am

Hey, pssst.... it's 2018 ;)
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Re: David Irving Holocaust

Post by VFX » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:08 am

scrmbldggs wrote:Hey, pssst.... it's 2018 ;)
So it is eggs, the alleged genocide was 70 years ago.
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Re: David Irving Holocaust

Post by montgomery » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:05 pm

He's very passionate about his topic. Is there anybody who wants to talk about Irving's speech and offer some rebuttals on any of his comments?

Gerstein report? (sp.?)

VFX, can you explain that report and provide a link?

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Re: David Irving Holocaust

Post by VFX » Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:18 pm

The Gerstein Report was written in 1945 by Kurt Gerstein, Obersturmführer of the Waffen-SS, who served as Head of Technical Disinfection Services of the SS in World War II. Gerstein witnessed the alleged gassing of some 3,000 Jews in the extermination camp of Belzec in occupied Poland. The report features his eyewitness testimony. It was used as evidence in the Nuremberg Trials, In may 1933 he became a member of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei but was expelled in October 1936 after being arrested that September for giving out anti Nazi leaflets. Sophia Magdalena Scholl did the same but was guillotined as the activities were during war time. In July 1938 the Gerheimestaatspolizei arrested Gerstein once more; this time he was sent to a concentration camp for re education.
Reportedly outraged by the euthanasia or Aktion T4 programme, he decided to join the Waffen SS.. How could an anti Nazi could get into the elite SS after being a convicted criminal.????? Today this would be like trying to get into the police force after doing time in Jail for sedition. Because of his technical education, Gerstein was placed in the Waffen-SS technical disinfection and dis-infestation services where he rose quickly to become its head. It was in that capacity that he traveled to the extermination camps of Belzec and Treblinka offering the supply of hydrogen cyanide (Zyklon B).
This is where the lies started
Of course his real job was to disinfest the places of lice and other vermin with ZyklonB as was necessary. Gerstein reports:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerstein_Report "Until this moment the people live in these 4 chambers, four times 750 people in 4 times 45 cubic metres! Again 25 minutes pass."
As a very unloyal officer of the SS, he tried to report his observations to the Swedish legation in Berlin BaronGöran von Otter on a train. He attempts to contact the Vatican via the auxilliary Bishop of Berlin. He even tried to contact a Dutch Industrialist J.H Ubbink

With great indignation he told me how the gassings took place using the exhaust gas from diesel engines. He gave me all the details and told me that at that time there were 9000 deaths per day in the three camps.

— Letter from J.H. Ubbink to Erika Arajs, Department of Justice in Nuremberg, dated September 14, 1949
Ubbink passed this information on to a member of the Dutch Resistance, Cornelius Van der Hooft who, a few days later on March 23, 1943 wrote "Tötunsanstalten in Polen". I think you can see how this is all falling into place now. the report was Dutch government-in-exile as on April 24, 1943 who had a vested interest in war time propagandajust as the Czechs did.

Gersteins reports has been used in various high profile trials including that of Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring, Hans Frank and Eichman.

In a private letter to Paul Rassinier, SS-Standartenführer Wilhelm Pfannenstiel calling it “highly dubious rubbish in which 'fantasy' far outweighs fact”

Historian Robin O'Neil noted that Gerstein's data presented at face value about the enormous capacity of the gas chambers i.e. "four times 750 persons" has no grounds in reality...same wiki page
Gerstein cowardly gave himself up to the French commandant of the occupied town of Reutlingen. However, he was later transferred to the Cherche-Midi military prison, where he was treated as a Nazi war criminal. On 25 July 1945 he was found dead in his cell, an alleged suicide.

Mr David Irving said: here
Among the claims sworn to by the Nazi, who ultimately hanged himself while awaiting trial for war crimes, was a statement that 25 million Jews were killed in two small extermination camps and that 700 to 800 people could be crammed into a 25-square metre gas chamber.
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Re: David Irving Holocaust

Post by Nessie » Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:53 pm

VFX writes; "Gerstein cowardly gave himself up to the French commandant of the occupied town of Reutlingen. However, he was later transferred to the Cherche-Midi military prison, where he was treated as a Nazi war criminal. On 25 July 1945 he was found dead in his cell, an alleged suicide."

The Wikipedia entry on "Kurt Gerstein" writes; "On 22 April 1945, two weeks before Nazi Germany's surrender, Gerstein voluntarily gave himself up to the French commandant of the occupied town of Reutlingen. He received a sympathetic reception and was transferred to a residence in a hotel in Rottweil, where he was able to write his reports. However, he was later transferred to the Cherche-Midi military prison, where he was treated as a Nazi war criminal. On 25 July 1945 he was found dead in his cell, an alleged suicide"

Indeed the post is just cobbled together from;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Gerstein
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerstein_Report

It has become fashionable on RODOH to colour in posts in the style we see above. The result is plagiarism, done in the style of a colouring-in book using crayons. It is presently the pinnacle of denial research and evidencing.
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Re: David Irving Holocaust

Post by VFX » Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:56 pm

Nessie wrote:VFX writes; "Gerstein cowardly gave himself up to the French commandant of the occupied town of Reutlingen. However, he was later transferred to the Cherche-Midi military prison, where he was treated as a Nazi war criminal. On 25 July 1945 he was found dead in his cell, an alleged suicide."

The Wikipedia entry on "Kurt Gerstein" writes; "On 22 April 1945, two weeks before Nazi Germany's surrender, Gerstein voluntarily gave himself up to the French commandant of the occupied town of Reutlingen. He received a sympathetic reception and was transferred to a residence in a hotel in Rottweil, where he was able to write his reports. However, he was later transferred to the Cherche-Midi military prison, where he was treated as a Nazi war criminal. On 25 July 1945 he was found dead in his cell, an alleged suicide"

Indeed the post is just cobbled together from;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Gerstein
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerstein_Report

It has become fashionable on RODOH to colour in posts in the style we see above. The result is plagiarism, done in the style of a colouring-in book using crayons. It is presently the pinnacle of denial research and evidencing.
The wiki entry was given. Monty wants to know some relevant points. Gerstein did cowardly give himself up, as he surrendered. I suggest you read "A spy from God", which is a very biased novel on the life of this traitor. The point being was this man Insane as Mr Irvine claims. His testimony speaks of such a mind condition.
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Re: David Irving Holocaust

Post by scrmbldggs » Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:57 pm

Nessie wrote:VFX writes; "Gerstein cowardly gave himself up to the French commandant of the occupied town of Reutlingen. However, he was later transferred to the Cherche-Midi military prison, where he was treated as a Nazi war criminal. On 25 July 1945 he was found dead in his cell, an alleged suicide."

The Wikipedia entry on "Kurt Gerstein" writes; "On 22 April 1945, two weeks before Nazi Germany's surrender, Gerstein voluntarily gave himself up to the French commandant of the occupied town of Reutlingen. He received a sympathetic reception and was transferred to a residence in a hotel in Rottweil, where he was able to write his reports. However, he was later transferred to the Cherche-Midi military prison, where he was treated as a Nazi war criminal. On 25 July 1945 he was found dead in his cell, an alleged suicide"

Indeed the post is just cobbled together from;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Gerstein
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerstein_Report

It has become fashionable on RODOH to colour in posts in the style we see above. The result is plagiarism, done in the style of a colouring-in book using crayons. It is presently the pinnacle of denial research and evidencing.
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Re: David Irving Holocaust

Post by VFX » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:00 pm

scrmbldggs wrote: It migrated.
Please stick to the topic thank you. You too Nessie.
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Re: David Irving Holocaust

Post by montgomery » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:59 am

VFX wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote: It migrated.
Please stick to the topic thank you. You too Nessie.
Thanks VFX for the info. And thanks Nessie too for your version.

Fwiw, I don't see anything wrong with the socalled coloring book method. It's nothing more than highlighting with different color magic markers.

As for Irving, I watched and listened to the entire three parts and found nothing that would detract from his telling of his version of the story, limited as it was. I judge his character to be worthy of reading one of his books and then objectively balancing that with the H.P.'ers views.

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Re: David Irving Holocaust

Post by Balmoral95 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:45 am

VFX wrote:The Gerstein Report was written in 1945 by Kurt Gerstein, Obersturmführer of the Waffen-SS, who served as Head of Technical Disinfection Services of the SS in World War II. Gerstein witnessed the alleged gassing of some 3,000 Jews in the extermination camp of Belzec in occupied Poland. The report features his eyewitness testimony. It was used as evidence in the Nuremberg Trials, In may 1933 he became a member of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei but was expelled in October 1936 after being arrested that September for giving out anti Nazi leaflets. Sophia Magdalena Scholl did the same but was guillotined as the activities were during war time. In July 1938 the Gerheimestaatspolizei arrested Gerstein once more; this time he was sent to a concentration camp for re education.
Reportedly outraged by the euthanasia or Aktion T4 programme, he decided to join the Waffen SS.. How could an anti Nazi could get into the elite SS after being a convicted criminal.????? Today this would be like trying to get into the police force after doing time in Jail for sedition. Because of his technical education, Gerstein was placed in the Waffen-SS technical disinfection and dis-infestation services where he rose quickly to become its head. It was in that capacity that he traveled to the extermination camps of Belzec and Treblinka offering the supply of hydrogen cyanide (Zyklon B).
This is where the lies started
Of course his real job was to disinfest the places of lice and other vermin with ZyklonB as was necessary. Gerstein reports:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerstein_Report "Until this moment the people live in these 4 chambers, four times 750 people in 4 times 45 cubic metres! Again 25 minutes pass."
As a very unloyal officer of the SS, he tried to report his observations to the Swedish legation in Berlin BaronGöran von Otter on a train. He attempts to contact the Vatican via the auxilliary Bishop of Berlin. He even tried to contact a Dutch Industrialist J.H Ubbink

With great indignation he told me how the gassings took place using the exhaust gas from diesel engines. He gave me all the details and told me that at that time there were 9000 deaths per day in the three camps.

— Letter from J.H. Ubbink to Erika Arajs, Department of Justice in Nuremberg, dated September 14, 1949
Ubbink passed this information on to a member of the Dutch Resistance, Cornelius Van der Hooft who, a few days later on March 23, 1943 wrote "Tötunsanstalten in Polen". I think you can see how this is all falling into place now. the report was Dutch government-in-exile as on April 24, 1943 who had a vested interest in war time propagandajust as the Czechs did.

Gersteins reports has been used in various high profile trials including that of Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring, Hans Frank and Eichman.

In a private letter to Paul Rassinier, SS-Standartenführer Wilhelm Pfannenstiel calling it “highly dubious rubbish in which 'fantasy' far outweighs fact”

Historian Robin O'Neil noted that Gerstein's data presented at face value about the enormous capacity of the gas chambers i.e. "four times 750 persons" has no grounds in reality...same wiki page
Gerstein cowardly gave himself up to the French commandant of the occupied town of Reutlingen. However, he was later transferred to the Cherche-Midi military prison, where he was treated as a Nazi war criminal. On 25 July 1945 he was found dead in his cell, an alleged suicide.

Mr David Irving said: here
Among the claims sworn to by the Nazi, who ultimately hanged himself while awaiting trial for war crimes, was a statement that 25 million Jews were killed in two small extermination camps and that 700 to 800 people could be crammed into a 25-square metre gas chamber.
Worst bio of Gerstein ever cobbled together bar none... Congratulations.

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Re: David Irving Holocaust

Post by VFX » Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:36 am

Balmoral95 wrote:
Worst bio of Gerstein ever cobbled together bar none... Congratulations.
This is a forum not a thesis. You are arrogant, with nothing to say. I denounce you as a troll.
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