Finnish SS-Men and the massacres of Jewish civilians

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Finnish SS-Men and the massacres of Jewish civilians

Postby Reaktori » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:54 pm

In late 2017, Finnish historian André Svanström uncovered previously unknown material on the exploits of Finnish SS-men who fought with the SS-Wiking division in the Southern parts of the USSR. In a letter by SS-Unterscharfuhrer Olavi Karpalo, in which Karpalo expresses frustration at being posted to a supply company (Technischer Dienst / Werkstatt-Kompanie), he also refers to executions of Jewish civilians in which he had apparently taken part in: "- – juutalaisten teloittamiseen riittää kehnompikin ampumataito kuin omaamamme" ("less skill in shooting is enough for executing Jews than the skill we possess"). Karpalo also continued as follows: ”Mitähän pahaa me olemme tehneet, kun meiltä on riistetty se ilo minkä ryssän ilmaantuminen mauserkiväärin jyvälle aiheuttaa.” ("I wonder what we have done to deserve
having the joy of a russkie appearing in our mauser-rifles sight being taken away from us.")

As a result of this finding, the Finnish Government has started investigating the archives for more possible evidence connecting Finnish SS-Men to massacres 1941-42.

Svanströms original article (in Finnish): http://www.skhs.fi/suomalaiset-ss-miehe ... arikokset/

YLE story on the investigation that the Finnish government has launched on the matter (also in Finnish): https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10232075

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Re: Finnish SS-Men and the massacres of Jewish civilians

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:25 pm

Thank you!!!!

BTW, I appreciate you bringing this information to the forum.

I know I read what you posted before or at least something similar. I think I read that in the “Holocaust in the Soviet Union” but I might be wrong.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:27 pm

No, you specifically stated 2017. I’ll see if I can figure out where I’ve read something like that before....
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Re: Finnish SS-Men and the massacres of Jewish civilians

Postby Reaktori » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:30 pm

I think it was previously known that members of the Wiking-division had committed war crimes, but the general notion, at least in Finland, was that the Finnish troops in the division were not guilty of any.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:31 pm

If I get a chance I’ll see if I can find that information for you. Stat Mech may know more than I do.
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Re: Finnish SS-Men and the massacres of Jewish civilians

Postby Balsamo » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:14 am

Well, actions of the SS Wiking are quite known, don't they?
But thank you Reaktori for the links. (well i do not read that language)

I personally do not think that the behavior of a Waffen SS Division is influenced by the nationality of its members, at it was a Panzer division, it would also wrong to put a collective guilt over all the members. Divisions are composed of Regiments, Regiments of battalions, and battalions of companies, and companies of platoon. At each level there is a commander, more or less reliable to the SS cause. As for the nationality, there were Dutch, Flemish, Danish, Swedish, and indeed there was a Finnish battallion...which served if my memory is correct until 1943...
I will dig my notes about that.

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Re: Finnish SS-Men and the massacres of Jewish civilians

Postby Balsamo » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:29 am

Reaktori wrote:I think it was previously known that members of the Wiking-division had committed war crimes, but the general notion, at least in Finland, was that the Finnish troops in the division were not guilty of any.


Sorry i post before reading this..
As i said above is still valid, it is not about Finnish troops, under Finnish command, but about a few hundreds Finnish soldiers who served in the Waffen-SS.

EDIT:
Some reaction to the article you posted, at least the first
https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Will-Holocaust-crimes-of-Finnish-volunteers-in-Ukraine-go-unpunished-536805

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Re: Finnish SS-Men and the massacres of Jewish civilians

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:00 am

Yeah, I need to track down info on this. I know I read something recently.

However I am currently in Arkansas so it will have to wait.

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