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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:39 am

national Dem party under Tom Perez . . .

. . . and I almost didn't read (because of the headline, "Democrats are playing checkers while Trump is playing chess") this fascinating, IMO must-read piece on racial/political polarization in the US; it quotes at length from various analysts/academics (email exchanges with the author); overall, the piece is implicitly critical of how the Sanders' wing of the party has framed its economic appeal and is exasperatingly clear that the Democrats failed in 2016 and continue to flail, and fail, to respond to polarized politics of this era and especially to what has driven right-wing nationalist populism based on racial anxiety and fear . . .

money quotation, Ashley Jardina (Duke U): "Unfortunately, changing hearts and minds when it comes to racial attitudes is no easy task. What is more, there’s growing evidence that some of the previously effective tactics Democrats have used to call out Republican politicians for race-baiting no longer work especially well. If Republican political candidates continue to stoke racial attitudes and anti-immigrant sentiment, there’s reason to think they’ll continue to be politically effective, and it’s not entirely clear what Democrats can do to inoculate themselves against this strategy in the near term."

Cornell Belcher, Obama pollster: "Until we can better engage these voters in a conversation that lessens their very real angst about the changes that are happening in the country and pivot to a compelling narrative about how we all win the future together or divided we will certainly lose it to our competitors, Democrats will struggle mightily to compete for white non-college voters broadly and particularly in The South."

the headline really doesn't work unless the takeaway is the rather obvious and simple point that Trump (and his party) have mastered the politics of racial grievance better than the Dems, who remain clueless and stunned . . .

. . . and just as a point of interest, an echo of all this, if you will, here is Sam Theilman writing in this morning's TPM on how Russia's Facebook strategy "play[ed] relentlessly on prejudices against blacks, immigrants and Muslims, [whilst] Trump’s campaign was a symphony of insults maligning all three groups": "Advertising from the Trump campaign was notable for the brazenness of its racialized invective; the Russian propaganda campaign followed suit with a microtargeted series of ads explicitly playing up racism and bigotry, rather than trying to sanitize it with coded phrases and winks. The results were inexpert and scattershot—the improbably named 'Williams and Kalvin' seem to be looking at cue cards occasionally in their videos—but Facebook, Twitter and their peers had honed the delivery mechanism so carefully that the relative sophistication of the Russian propaganda may not have mattered."
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:27 pm

Continuing to put pressure on critics, and still misunderstanding how "networks are licensed," DJT tweeted this morning a more purposeful threat against broadcasters: "Network news has become so partisan, distorted and fake that licenses must be challenged and, if appropriate, revoked. Not fair to public!"

Ben Sasse, Republican Senator, asked Trump late yesterday if he'd renounced his oath of office, the part where he promised to defend the Constitution.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:33 pm

. . . and (I shall now get to work, this is going further downhill faster and faster) WaPo's Philip Rucker reports ("Trump threatens to abandon Puerto Rico recovery effort") that, in another apparent fit of pique, perhaps pissed that the facts on the ground in Puerto Rico refute his self-lionization as the Hero of the Rescue (IMO), Trump has been busy on Twitter:
Declaring the U.S. territory's electrical grid and infrastructure to have been a “disaster before hurricanes,” Trump wrote Thursday that it will be up to Congress how much federal money to appropriate to the island for its recovery efforts and that recovery workers will not stay “forever.”

In a trio of tweets, Trump wrote” “We cannot keep FEMA, the Military & the First Responders, who have been amazing (under the most difficult circumstances) in P.R. forever!” . . .

In a visit to the island last week, Vice President Pence vowed that the administration will be with Puerto Rico “every step of the way.” . . .

Trump himself made a similar promise, saying in a Sept. 29 speech, “We will not rest, however, until the people of Puerto Rico are safe.” He added, “These are great people. We want them to be safe and sound and secure. And we will be there every day until that happens.” . . .

But, writes Rucker, with his tweet-storm
President Trump served notice Thursday that he may pull back federal relief workers from Puerto Rico, effectively threatening to abandon the U.S. territory amid a staggering humanitarian crisis in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Ben Sasse, Republican Senator, asked Trump late yesterday if he'd renounced his oath of office, the part where he promised to defend the Constitution.


Trump always thought of that bit as an outdated suggestion.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:19 pm

He was quite clear during the campaign, “Not only will I stand up for Article One. I’ll stand up for Article Two, Article 12, you name it of the Constitution.” You name it, he's for it. Just not those nettlesome amendments, by golly, starting with number one and especially the 25th.
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"What's that?"
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:34 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:"What's that?"

I suspect that Mr Bannon informed him - and also told him how disloyal elements attached to the deep state were plotting to use the device to remove him from the office he holds . . . which doesn't guarantee that he remembers what he was told.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:38 pm

This one is gonna cause a whole new set of requirements and mandatory entry tests for any future candidates. :lol:
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:He was quite clear during the campaign, “Not only will I stand up for Article One. I’ll stand up for Article Two, Article 12, you name it of the Constitution.” You name it, he's for it. Just not those nettlesome amendments, by golly, starting with number one and especially the 25th.


Huh!? He'll stand up for Article 1?!!?? So, he's in favor of having a legislature. Terrific. And Article 2 as well! Great, so he believes there should be an Executive Branch.

WTF is "Article 12"?
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Postby Upton_O_Goode » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:16 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:. . . and (I shall now get to work, this is going further downhill faster and faster) WaPo's Philip Rucker reports ("Trump threatens to abandon Puerto Rico recovery effort") that, in another apparent fit of pique, perhaps pissed that the facts on the ground in Puerto Rico refute his self-lionization as the Hero of the Rescue (IMO), Trump has been busy on Twitter:
Declaring the U.S. territory's electrical grid and infrastructure to have been a “disaster before hurricanes,” Trump wrote Thursday that it will be up to Congress how much federal money to appropriate to the island for its recovery efforts and that recovery workers will not stay “forever.”

In a trio of tweets, Trump wrote” “We cannot keep FEMA, the Military & the First Responders, who have been amazing (under the most difficult circumstances) in P.R. forever!” . . .


Last I heard, Puerto Rico was receiving only 10% of the food necessary to sustain life, and what was coming (Meals Ready to Eat) is not really intended to be a basic diet.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:34 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:He was quite clear during the campaign, “Not only will I stand up for Article One. I’ll stand up for Article Two, Article 12, you name it of the Constitution.” You name it, he's for it. Just not those nettlesome amendments, by golly, starting with number one and especially the 25th.


Huh!? He'll stand up for Article 1?!!?? So, he's in favor of having a legislature. Terrific. And Article 2 as well! Great, so he believes there should be an Executive Branch.

WTF is "Article 12"?

Article 12. The President of these United States has the sole power - he alone can fix it - to #MAGA.

I don't recall but I think that is the wording of Article 12 (XII).
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Upton_O_Goode wrote:Last I heard, Puerto Rico was receiving only 10% of the food necessary to sustain life, and what was coming (Meals Ready to Eat) is not really intended to be a basic diet.

Yes, Trump is being asked to do too much, he is a true hero in this - keeping us safe, thank you - and so we must curtail such frivolous aid.
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I heard there are supplies in PR that aren't reaching those in need. And people are now dying of water-born diseases, having to continue to resort drinking from contaminated streams and wells. Also that the death toll could be much higher than reported with hundreds of bodies in various places collected and counted, but unclear if they were victims of the storm and/or aftermath.
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What's bothering me much more than the humanitarian crisis is knowing that Trump WILL NOT SUFFER politically for his evil abandonment of Puerto Rico. His followers really don't give a damn what happens to people in Puerto Rico.
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Upton_O_Goode wrote:What's bothering me much more than the humanitarian crisis is knowing that Trump WILL NOT SUFFER politically for his evil abandonment of Puerto Rico. His followers really don't give a damn what happens to people in Puerto Rico.

Ashley Jardina (Duke U): ". . . If Republican political candidates continue to stoke racial attitudes and anti-immigrant sentiment, there’s reason to think they’ll continue to be politically effective . . ."
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:He was quite clear during the campaign, “Not only will I stand up for Article One. I’ll stand up for Article Two, Article 12, you name it of the Constitution.” You name it, he's for it. Just not those nettlesome amendments, by golly, starting with number one and especially the 25th.


Huh!? He'll stand up for Article 1?!!?? So, he's in favor of having a legislature. Terrific. And Article 2 as well! Great, so he believes there should be an Executive Branch.

WTF is "Article 12"?

Article 12. The President of these United States has the sole power - he alone can fix it - to #MAGA.

I don't recall but I think that is the wording of Article 12 (XII).


Ah, no wonder I didn't recall it. It's an article that exists only in Trump's constitution. I was confused also by the numbers written out in words. The way I remember the Constitution, it consisted of Articles I–VII, then started on the Amendments. I had completely forgotten that VII is the Roman numeral for 12.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Ashley Jardina (Duke U): ". . . If Republican political candidates continue to stoke racial attitudes and anti-immigrant sentiment, there’s reason to think they’ll continue to be politically effective . . ."


Absolutely right. I can hear the rationalizations now...."These people expect to have everything done for them....can't help people who won't help themselves...." Instant relief from annoying pangs of conscience.
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Upton_O_Goode wrote:I had completely forgotten that VII is the Roman numeral for 12.

ah yes, by the same token, VI Lenin = the sixth Lenin
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To pat himself on the back, your president has come up with the novel theory that the increase in share prices on the stock market is erasing the federal government’s debt. This makes as much sense as it would for me to believe that because of rising commercial real estate prices in my neighborhood, my outstanding mortgage debt was being reduced.
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He's gone bankrupt more than once, right?
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scrmbldggs wrote:He's gone bankrupt more than once, right?

one of the things he's best at; he is bringing all his skills to bear on his current gig
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See, he can do.
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Postby Upton_O_Goode » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:02 pm

Jesus Effin Christ!

Why am I just learning about this NOW? It happened two days ago. Where are Trump's tweets? By any definition, THIS was a terrorist attack, and we should deport all people whose skin color or religion is the same as this guy. C'mon Trump, get those tiny thumbs working on your smart phone!
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Postby Upton_O_Goode » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:12 pm

They said he wasn't properly briefed.

Why should the Commander-in-Chief NEED to be briefed about this common military ceremony? And I'm guessing he probably WAS briefed, but just wasn't paying attention. Why Sean Hannity didn't know any better requires no explanation. Sean Hannity doesn't know ANYTHING AT ALL.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:55 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:They said he wasn't properly briefed.

Why should the Commander-in-Chief NEED to be briefed about this common military ceremony? And I'm guessing he probably WAS briefed, but just wasn't paying attention. Why Sean Hannity didn't know any better requires no explanation. Sean Hannity doesn't know ANYTHING AT ALL.


Maybe we can suspend Trump for his disrespect.

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scrmbldggs wrote:He's gone bankrupt more than once, right?


Not personally, no. At least twice on properties in AC.

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:To pat himself on the back, your president has come up with the novel theory that the increase in share prices on the stock market is erasing the federal government’s debt. This makes as much sense as it would for me to believe that because of rising commercial real estate prices in my neighborhood, my outstanding mortgage debt was being reduced.


Which theory was defended by some twot from the Heritage Foundation. His argument was that as investment values rise there is a corresponding increase in tax revenues when investors sell them, ie tax on the capital gain and therefore the deficit is reduced.

Jesus wept. :roll:

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:57 pm

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:To pat himself on the back, your president has come up with the novel theory that the increase in share prices on the stock market is erasing the federal government’s debt. This makes as much sense as it would for me to believe that because of rising commercial real estate prices in my neighborhood, my outstanding mortgage debt was being reduced.


Which theory was defended by some twot from the Heritage Foundation. His argument was that as investment values rise there is a corresponding increase in tax revenues when investors sell them, ie tax on the capital gain and therefore the deficit is reduced.

Jesus wept. :roll:

Uh huh, which he didn't say, he said,
The country - we took it over, it owed $20 trillion. As you know, the last eight years they borrowed more than it did in the whole history of our country. So they borrowed more than $10tn, right? And yet, we picked up $5.2tn just in the stock market. Possibly picked up the whole thing in terms of the first nine months, in terms of value. So you could say in one sense, we're really increasing values. And maybe in a sense we're reducing debt.

He's claiming the whole market capitalization value, not some tax pickup. As the BBC drily concludes:
This bit is harder to interpret, but it sounds like he is comparing the US debt with the value of the shares on the US stock exchange.

Market capitalisation is not the government's money - it is shareholders' money.

It might lead to more taxes being paid eventually, but the two figures do not belong in the same category.

Remember, on inauguration day, the debt was $19.95tn.

Well, the Treasury's latest figure for 10 October was $20.38tn, so that's gone up by $430bn.

Debt did actually fall in the early months of the presidency, but it jumped on 8 September when the president signed a bill raising the debt ceiling.

You've spotted "{!#%@} moron" #2 it seems LOL
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Moron #2 only came to the revenue idea after being savage by the moderator over the market cap. idea :lol:

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:08 pm

See, this is why we needed a businessperson in the WH, to totally screw up economic and business related stuff!
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:See, this is why we needed a businessperson in the WH, to totally screw up economic and business related stuff!


Unless said businessperson's best idea for debt reduction is to nationalize the market cap and use that to pay down the debt. :mrgreen:

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:13 pm

Balmoral95 wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:See, this is why we needed a businessperson in the WH, to totally screw up economic and business related stuff!


Unless said businessperson's best idea for debt reduction is to nationalize the market cap and use that to pay down the debt. :mrgreen:

LOL now that's an idea! Red Bernie himself wouldn't have come up with that.
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Postby Balmoral95 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:03 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:See, this is why we needed a businessperson in the WH, to totally screw up economic and business related stuff!


Unless said businessperson's best idea for debt reduction is to nationalize the market cap and use that to pay down the debt. :mrgreen:

LOL now that's an idea! Red Bernie himself wouldn't have come up with that.


And Dolfy too. According to Speer, Dolfy spitballed an idea along these lines for apres la guerre.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:50 am

. . . I mean Negative Capability, that is, when a man is capable of being in uncertainties, mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching after fact and reason—Coleridge, for instance, would let go by a fine isolated verisimilitude caught from the Penetralium of mystery, from being incapable of remaining content with half-knowledge. - John Keats, 1817

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:55 am

He's been threatening to do that for a bit, here's Politicos take on it:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/12/trump-obamacare-subsidy-243736

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Postby Balmoral95 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:01 am



But the all insurance dudes are lining up to offer more options to small business employees.... all they ever wanted... tripping over each other... so many plans it will render everyone delirious with choices.... plans so cheap from unparalleled competition insurance dudes will cut each others' throats to get you to sign up. Best care anywhere, anytime, anyhow. Making America Gag Again, YO.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:11 am

This confused me: "U.S. Rep. Al Green, Houston Democrat, unveils articles of impeachment against Trump". I didn't even know The Reverend was from Texas (I'd have said that he still lives in Memphis) - nor was I aware that he'd been elected to Congress.

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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:08 am

Good line from Rick Wilson, conservative anti-Trumper, in The Daily Beast this morning: "Donald Trump’s attacks on the media should be taken both literally and seriously." Spot on.
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