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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:34 pm

got into a cycle where I am working a lot in Photoshop on this that and the other, with deadlines,so reading is languishing . . .
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:07 am

I've read something interesting on H.G. Adler’s 1955 study, 'Theresienstadt 1941-1945: The Face of a Coerced Community'

The Coerced Community of Theresienstadt
H.G. Adler survived the Holocaust to write a monumental, meticulous study of the Nazi’s ‘model community,’ one of the first of its kind, in German. Why did it take so long to be translated to English?
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Should you wish to know the average daily caloric intake from potatoes for children (168 calories) in Theresienstadt, you will find it here. Should you wish to know the names of the first council of elders at the ghetto’s founding in late 1941, as well as their duties, individual character traits, and nationality, you will find it here. Should you wish to learn about the sham bank set up in Theresienstadt, or the equally dubious café, post office, grocery and clothing store, you will find it here. You will also find samples of poems written by inmates, the titles of hundreds of lectures delivered, descriptions of the many concerts given, and a detailed account of the efforts made to dupe the International Red Cross when it inspected the ghetto in June 1944. And of course, if you wish to learn about the deportations and the fate of the 140,000 prisoners who passed through Theresienstadt (only 15 percent of whom survived), you will find that here as well.
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-an ... esienstadt

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:22 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:I'm currently reading "The Holocaust, a New History" by Doris Bergen. It's a bit of a "meh," she's an intentionalalist when it comes to the subject. I'm reading it to finish it out.


She's using the "diesel exhaust" crap for the Reinhard Camps....

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:21 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:I'm currently reading "The Holocaust, a New History" by Doris Bergen. It's a bit of a "meh," she's an intentionalalist when it comes to the subject. I'm reading it to finish it out.


She's using the "diesel exhaust" crap for the Reinhard Camps....


I finally finished this today. Not worth the time or effort, don't bother.

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:56 pm

Starting "A Year in Treblinka."

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:09 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:I'm currently reading "The Holocaust, a New History" by Doris Bergen. It's a bit of a "meh," she's an intentionalalist when it comes to the subject. I'm reading it to finish it out.


She's using the "diesel exhaust" crap for the Reinhard Camps....


I finally finished this today. Not worth the time or effort, don't bother.

Adler OTOH is a must-read, even if it has to be read with care (some of it is outdated as we saw in the Siegmund Rothstein thread - also for a comprehensive history it is lacking on SS policy and SS administration).
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:16 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Starting "A Year in Treblinka."


Actually, bounced that in favor of "Pursuit of Power," I needed a break.

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:34 am

Blitzed : Drugs in Nazi Germany / Norman Ohler / Penguin Books / 2016 translation from German

This is a "pop book". The author discusses Hitler and Goering at length but I was interested in the use of drugs on soldiers.

Germany, prior to the war develops synthetic Methamphetamine. (speed) under the name Pervitin. It is sold over the counter until 1939. Drugs are promoted as "bad" by the Nazis and become controlled to civilians. Methamphetamine is issued to soldiers in the Invasion of France. Some German doctors say it is a wonder drug. Other German doctors say it is a dangerous addictive drug. Pervitin continues to be issued to the armed forces. The author discusses the addiction problem and gives some examples of amphetamine psychosis being diagnosed.

I don't think it is of great significance in the bigger picture, but I can see the author's point that early German enthusiasm for victories may have been somewhat drug induced and the later defeats may have seemed even worse as supplies dried up and withdrawals occurred.

The weirdest part of the book was discussing a punishment battalion in Sachsenhausen Concentration camp. The victims were forced to march to test alternative shoe materials. Near the end of the war these same victims were given bizarre combinations of synthetic cocaine and speed to see how long they could stay awake for. One bloke lasted four days marching. Poor man.

(The other odd bit was the intent to try find a "truth serum", which was not successful)

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:33 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Picked up "A People's Tragedy" on the way to the airport. I'm sitting in the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport reading away.

Helped take my mind off a decidedly bumpy flight from Oklahoma City.

I may discuss some of the specific Russian aspects in the General History section and add to the Bolshevist thread here.

Or, I may throw a curveball and open a Russian thread here and randomly toss in the Bolshevist stuff in random threads throughout the forum....like in the "What are you listening to" thread.
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I completed this today.

I'll need some time to digest what I read and figure out what I want to talk about.

I will say that it lives up to the billing. Highly recommended for those who want a better understanding of what happened during the Russian Revolution and Civil War.


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